Manatee-X Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 We failed to get a big centreman. We'll use Camm as a winger. So who do we have as our second line center? Pleks. If anything was shown last year it is that Pleks is not ready (and probably never will be ready) to be our 2nd Line center. I still think we should sign Saku or Lang. But I think we will go for the likes of Antropov or (coughs) Radek Bonk. Right now, we have a quick talented group of forwards. But we had a quick talented group of forwards last year and they got pushed and bullied around, and INJURED. We lost our entire 1st line at one point (Tanguay, Higgins and Koivu). Well what happens to us this year if we lose our entire first line (Gomez, Camm and Gionta?) for 20-25 games? I don't see us faring any better than last year. What will happen to us if we lose our entire first line? Well, I'd say pretty much the same thing as any other team that loses their entire first line. There's having depth, and then there's having depth.... that's not really a contingency that's worth planning for since you're pretty much sunk if it happens regardless. Anyways, I'm of two minds. Emotional, fan mind is very much upset about losing the players we did, especially Mr. Koivu. He's been on the team since I was old enough to watch hockey with any real degree of understanding and I just don't buy the argument that he was old or washed up or whatever. The way it happened too, without even giving him an offer... well, I just feel bad about it and I wish him the best wherever he plays. Analytical mind, on the other hand, is cautiously optimistic. I'm a big fan of both the Cammeleri and Spacek signings, and I think both have been kind of underrated around the league (until Camm played for higher profile Calgary last year, anyway). Both have been good for me in my hockey pools, in any case . I actually don't mind Hal Gill that much either. You could say it's back to overpaying for a lower pairing defenseman, but the two year term is good and he's been pretty solid in the last few years from what I've seen. What I'm not sure about is the Gomez/Gionta pairing. Obviously I hope they rekindle what they had in Jersey, but I'm worried that this seems almost like a sideways move from Koivu/Kovalev. We saw what happened when those two get a good linemate last year, and they could have been signed for far less and for a shorter term than the two former Devils. Someone above had a good point when they said to leave the cap to Gainey and worry as a fan about how they'll play, but there's such a difference in money here that the supporting cast could be significantly improved had we kept our two UFAs from last year. Anyways, I'm obviously hoping that they light it up and that looking back in a year we all agree that these were great moves. If nothing else, Bob never fails to do the unexpected. Every year we're waiting for a big signing and there's nothing, finally this year people get tired of getting their hopes up and suddenly we get five new players in 24 hrs. It should be fun next year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMan86 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Obviously you haven't watched the Habs for too long.We succeeded with great goaltending and defense 1st. We have potential in goal,and a horrible defense. TO will beat us up more than Bost.,and add Philly also. I feel bad for our small forwards and goalies,who will be getting run all year. Obviously you havent checked how many times we were on the PP and succeeded on it. Not counting last year but take a look at how many PP's we did have when we were number 1 in the eastern conference EVERY player underachieved last season their is no denying that. So what makes you think our team will not be better under JM then under freaking guy carb? guy carb had no system in place and still managed to get 1st in the east. edit also when i mention JM and guy carb i am talking about the players playing defence a better defence leads to better goaltending look at new jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innis_Mor Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Wholly smokes ... this is one fast team !! ... up front. Time to mix and match to make up lines. Hmmmm ... who's the new captain? Markov is the obvious choice ... but does he want it? And at least we no longer have to listen to people complain that BG never gets anything done!! LOL!! _________________________ Oh, and Koivu/Kovalev to Gomez/Gionta can't really be considered 'sideways': (Ages: 34/36 goes to 29/30). We're talking moving from 'past their prime', to 'in their prime'. There's five year difference there, at the long end of careers, and that's the length of contracts. I loved the two K's, and what they brought to the Habs, but clearly this is upgrade. Same goes for Cammalleri over Tanguay --- more upside with Cammy's play of late, and two years younger. Komisarek, I would have been more troubled with losing if his game hadn't fallen off a cliff ever since he came back from injury. He wasn't the same player. He might have been back to normal Komi for this season; we'll never know now. I hope he does well in T.O. (give Grabs a big hug for us, Komi! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Happy now, pissed for the future. Gainey's moves will make salary cap hell in 2-3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMan86 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Wholly smokes ... this is one fast team !! ... up front. Time to mix and match to make up lines. Hmmmm ... who's the new captain? Markov is the obvious choice ... but does he want it? And at least we no longer have to listen to people complain that BG never gets anything done!! LOL!! regardless how we do(even tho im hoping for a successful year) we needed a change and a big change and BG did it. Koivu still has a few years left in him but again hes small and im thinking BG will be grabbing a bigger center for our second line. as for our next captain probably markov. it will give him a excuse to sign with us again for a couple more years when his contract is done in 2 years. just read money pucks message. in 2-3 years we won't have hamrliks cap hit of 5.5m with us so i think we should be alright and by then the young kids should be brought up anyways dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgib21 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Obviously you havent checked how many times we were on the PP and succeeded on it. Not counting last year but take a look at how many PP's we did have when we were number 1 in the eastern conference EVERY player underachieved last season their is no denying that. So what makes you think our team will not be better under JM then under freaking guy carb? guy carb had no system in place and still managed to get 1st in the east. edit also when i mention JM and guy carb i am talking about the players playing defence a better defence leads to better goaltending look at new jersey. Ever think that our player OVER-achieved when we came 1st..in the REGULAR season. Or the PP succeeded because of Souray,Streit and Kovy.There is no PP QB now.I had no problem with carbonneau,because it's obvious that BG had alot of nfluence in the system and roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMan86 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Ever think that our player OVER-achieved when we came 1st..in the REGULAR season. Or the PP succeeded because of Souray,Streit and Kovy.There is no PP QB now.I had no problem with carbonneau,because it's obvious that BG had alot of nfluence in the system and roster So we lose kovy souray and streit and we grab spacek who supposely has a bomb of a shot from the point or we can bring up webber who also has a bomb of a shot so no problem their. kovy yes was a big factor on our power play but you don't think gionta or cammi will be just as effective? i mean i loved when kovy hit the red circle and sniped a shot from the top of the red circle but why is kovy so much better then cammi who had almost 40 goals last season? does he not have a decent shot as kovy? as for overachieving yes that COULD have happened but then again we had one very good season then one very bad season so whos to know? Guy carb had no system...im sorry he just did't he shuffled the lines like a clown juggles balls thats how much line shuffling he did putting did he not put defencemen on our 1st line? what coach does that?in my eyes JM brings a actual system that WORKED and had great success in having the most goals for so i am not worried about much besides probably hal gill.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losthab Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Forwards- im pretty happy....i just hope the gomez/gionta gamble works. i like Cammalleri so im excited to see what he can do. Defense- im still confused on why we signed these guys when there were better Dmen available, we will never know for sure if gainey went after guys like beuchiamen(sp?)scuderi,berergon or morris-all younger then both gill and spacek(sp) overall- well it would be nice to see what is happening about our RFAs and if bob is done for sure or if he still had something up his sleves. soo im at a meh for now lol perhaps bob wanted older guys to gap the 2-3 yrs before weber,subban, fischer, carle are ready.. just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShishTaouk Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 People seem to really dislike the Gomez trade. While I agree that his contract is too high, I think making that trade was a crucial move by Gainey. In fact, since it was a trade, Gomez didn't have much of a choice in coming here (unless he had a NTC of course). Then, once the deal was done, it must've been much easier to sign the likes of Cammalleri and Gionta because they now see that the habs are making clear efforts to build a winning team. I don't see Gainey convincing them of coming here with no first line forwards already signed with the team. It was like a domino effect IMO. Once I heard the signings of Cammalleri and Gionta, the Gomez signing made alot more sense to me. I also heard Pat Burns talking this morning, saying that Gomez is a player who needs a kick in the butt to play to his full potential. On a pretty un-emotional Rangers team, he didn't play as well as he can. In fact, Gionta was the one in New Jersey who brought that spark to Scott Gomez and that is why they seemed to be a good pair. The probably wont have a guy like Elias to play with them... but I can still see them playing pretty well for a couple of years. Now, am I happy with the new Canadiens? I can say yes, I am fairly happy. I think the veterans we just sign will be able to play at the level we expect them to play but alot of the success of the team still has to do with the young players. If the Kostytsyns and Latendresse can take their game to another level, we will have a very good and exciting team. We still need to get another defenceman though. They will probably pair Hamrlik with Spacek since they are both Czech. We will therefore need someone with Markov... and I think Beauchemin is the perfect fit, since he can bring the physical side and he can log big minutes. Let's hope Gainey can pull this last move. Whatever happens with the team, we can't say Gainey didn't do anything and it's going to be pretty exciting to see all these new players in a habs uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losthab Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Obviously you haven't watched the Habs for too long.We succeeded with great goaltending and defense 1st. We have potential in goal,and a horrible defense. TO will beat us up more than Bost.,and add Philly also. I feel bad for our small forwards and goalies,who will be getting run all year. you dont know that. bob may make some smaller moves and add size and toughness, also when the defence moves the puck quicker it allows speed fwds to attack, and not just get bulled over along the boards scrumming for the puck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sens27 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 It is not so much gomez i have a problem with because i think he is an upgrade from saku but it is his contract and losing mcdonagh i have a problem with. Gainey has added more skill to the team without a doubt but my concern is we are still small, fast as hell but small. Overall i am happy but i am not doing any cartwheels yet. Atleast our power play will be killer again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sens27 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Obviously you haven't watched the Habs for too long.We succeeded with great goaltending and defense 1st. We have potential in goal,and a horrible defense. TO will beat us up more than Bost.,and add Philly also. I feel bad for our small forwards and goalies,who will be getting run all year. Pittsburgh just won the cup with shotty defence with the exception of gonchar. Habs defence is just as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssfffs Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 I think we got a lot better in skill , talent , speed . We may have gotten smaller but that means they can draw penalties too when big guys go to hit them. Also When the speedy guys start to skate pretty darn fast it causes the defenseman to take a penalty. The powerplay will be great with Markov , Gionta , Gomez , Camellari. I'm just worried how Carey Price will do! Go Habs Go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losthab Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Happy now, pissed for the future. Gainey's moves will make salary cap hell in 2-3 years. well in 2yrs hamrliks 5 million comes off the books and he will be replace by a younster so theres 4.2 million available, plus gill and spacek will be off the books. im not worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShishTaouk Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Happy now, pissed for the future. Gainey's moves will make salary cap hell in 2-3 years. Hey, to have a winning team you definately must spend right up to the cap. Now, did we invest in the good players, that's another thing... but if we look at Pittsburg and Detroit... both seem to be or heading to cap hell as you say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortwinkler Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 The only time I got excited yesterday was when we signed Cammalleri, which was short lived because of the fact that we lost a core of our talented players to Free Agency. I like Gainey as a former player, and as a man, but this guy has to go. I'm not really sure what he's thinking? We don't have a face of the franchise, we don't have a captain, we don't even have anyone who would make a decent captain by letting Higgins and Komi go...so basically this team has no leadership. We're paying more for Gomez than Vinny costs...who the heck is Hal Gill? If we thought we were disappointed in the Cenennial year, wait till this year. This team is a bunch of over-paid underachievers who are just gap fillers. However, in all fairness, Gainey did approach a lot of our UFA's as well as other UFA's and he couldn't get them to come here. He's tried for big named players in the past and they turned us down. If we wonder why, please see the last game of the season. The fans think they're helping this team, or being passionate about the sport, when in reality they're hurting the team and any chance for ANY talented players to come here. Then we end up paying average players $8 million a season...Thanks a lot Bell Centre crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losthab Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 im gonna resectfully disagree with you. 1 we now have a system, an identity2. a better all around defence, not spectacualr but solid 3. we have speed again, look man if the d cant make a proper pass than the fwds have to outgrit the opposition to gain possesion, which is what happened all last yr, this yr we will move the puck cleaner and our fwds should be able to attack with speed.5 leaved the tough stuff to larague and stewart, as for komisarek, i am 5 10 and i woukd fight him on or off the ice, course i would fight lucic too and last for more than 1 punch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Do you guys think Gill could be intimidating? Yes the habs are smaller and faster with Gionta and Cammalleri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMan86 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Do you guys think Gill could be intimidating? Yes the habs are smaller and faster with Gionta and Cammalleri. Probably not. but who knows at this point he did just win the cup some players might be. I would leave the fighting and stuff to stewart and BGL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 ITS AMAZING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShishTaouk Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Do you guys think Gill could be intimidating? Yes the habs are smaller and faster with Gionta and Cammalleri. At 6' 7'' ... I'm pretty sure he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 WE GOT GIONTA????? I think i started the partying a bit too early yesterday i didnt even know about Gionta..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest olddude Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 WE GOT GIONTA????? I think i started the partying a bit too early yesterday i didnt even know about Gionta..... Yup, there you go, another reason to start partying. Overall, I guess I'm happy, but the thing I like the most is that, other than Gomez, they all signed here of their own free will. THE CURSE IS OVER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losthab Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 At 6' 7'' ... I'm pretty sure he can. no, but he shouldn't get pushed around either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squ1g33 Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 I'd love to know if we could Trade Gomez to the Rangers for Higgins and McDonough? Or has their stock gone up too much now? COL. Next year we are going to be in Salary Cap hell, and we can expect to finish at the bottom of the league. I would say Bob takes 5 years to build a team only to dismantle it in 1 night. As I have said for years, as much as BG is a great man, he is not a business man n'or a manager of finances. When people's jobs are on the line jerk reflexes kick in. BG simply did what he could to sign as many players as he could without taking in to consideration the long term effects this will have when the salary cap drops next year. The only solace I foudn with BG's inept ability to sign Hab UFA's or UFA's in general was that we had power in finances. When the Cap is dropping next year is when we could go fishing for pretty much anyone, and outbid our rivals by $1MM per player (Player's OBVIOUSLY go after money) all while getting 'em locked up for under $3MM/season, the very same players we signed for almost double this year. This has been an epic failure of gross proportions, and I mean no ill will towards our new Habs personally, but for 2010/2011 season I will feel utterly sick. Finegrs crossed they can pull a miracle off this year, cause this is going to be the last chance for 5 years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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