kiprusoffk Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283860 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Good because we can't afford him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Good because we can't afford him. Only because we threw a dumb contract at Gionta. I'd take Kovalev over Gionta anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 NON!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babinator77 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 wow. it really is the end of an era... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiprusoffk Posted July 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 boy... this really will be new beginning next season. This team Gainey has put together is either going to work really well or it is going to be a disaster. I don't think there will be any "in between". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMan86 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Only because we threw a dumb contract at Gionta. I'd take Kovalev over Gionta anyday. Im interested as to how long gainey waited for kovy to sign the deal when he offered it to him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teststory Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Well the Habs have got a lot younger and have also paid a lot more money to their top forwards then they were before. Weather they will produce more remains to be seen. I know that Cammalleri has score 40 goals and Gionta has scored 40 goals, but they have ben somewhat incsonsistent as well. Gomez is the worst part as he has fluctuated in points just as much as Kovy, but hes getting paid twice as much money. It will be interesting to see what they can do though. If that line can produce next year then Bob will have saved his job, but if they are average then Bob is probably gone. Of course that wont change the fact that these guys are stuck in Montreal at high price tags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Only because we threw a dumb contract at Gionta. I'd take Kovalev over Gionta anyday. Well and like Ive said a few times, for maybe 1 or 2M more you could probably get Kovalev AND Koivu...id rather have both at $7m rather than Gionta at $5m... plus we probably wouldnt be locked in for 5 years. Anyway, I suppose its good to get closure on this story. I think its odd that Bob didnt mention Koivu who also has been getting lots of support in pleas to bring him back... talk about fueling the fire, bob! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teststory Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Well and like Ive said a few times, for maybe 1 or 2M more you could probably get Kovalev AND Koivu...id rather have both at $7m rather than Gionta at $5m... plus we probably wouldnt be locked in for 5 years. Anyway, I suppose its good to get closure on this story. I think its odd that Bob didnt mention Koivu who also has been getting lots of support in pleas to bring him back... talk about fueling the fire, bob! There was an article on the Habs website about Bobs feelings about Koivu and him not coming back. Something like end of an era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 I know that Cammalleri has score 40 goals and Gionta has scored 40 goals, but they have ben somewhat incsonsistent as well. In fairness to Cammaleri, he's scored pretty consistently. The only blip on the radar was the year after his salary arbitration when he was clearly feeling slighted by the LA brass (who dragged him through the mud during their hearing) so no big surprise he played rather...uninspired hockey that year. Even then he had 47 points in only 63 games (not bad) and that was sandwiched between 2 - 80+ point seasons. Gomez is the worst part as he has fluctuated in points just as much as Kovy, but hes getting paid twice as much money. Again, a little unfair, I think because Gomez, barring this past year where nothing went right for him, has had 5 straight 70 point seasons* with 2 of them over 84 points (* Note that in 06-07 he prorates to 70pts if it werent for 10 games of injury). So last year at almost 60 pts was certainly not living up to his contract, but 5 years of great point totals leading up to that...well thats fairly consistent. Given the right coach, the right icetime & the right linemates - all of which I think he should have in Montreal - he should be back to the high end of his production imho. It will be interesting to see what they can do though. If that line can produce next year then Bob will have saved his job, but if they are average then Bob is probably gone. Of course that wont change the fact that these guys are stuck in Montreal at high price tags. Well except that if that line produces, then they're not really "stuck in Montreal at high price tags" - they would be earning their keep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Im interested as to how long gainey waited for kovy to sign the deal when he offered it to him.. He made the offer on Monday IIRC, then pulled it by late Wednesday afternoon. So apparently two days was too long for Kovalev, but Gainey could wait three months before even letting Kovy know whether a deal would be offered or not. What I don't understand about this whole mess is what Gainey said the week before free agency. He essentially called for patience and noted that spending too quickly in past summers left the team with no flexibility later on when good players became available. What does he do the following week? Exactly what he just admitted had been a mistake in years past. Was it really that necessary to sign Gionta? Are we so thin at winger that we absolutely needed to sign a smurf to a 5-year, $25 million contract, a forward who had exactly one great season in the league and who since then has put up inferior numbers to Kovalev? Were we that desperate to see if Gionta could re-ignite with Gomez again? I still don't get why Gainey pulled the Kovalev offer so quickly. By that point in the day, we had Gomez and Cammalleri already in the fold. We still had the Kostitsyns, Latendresse, D'Agostini, and Pacioretty under contract, so it's not like we were hurting for top-six wingers. Yet Gainey goes out and locks us into a long-term deal with Gionta. Why? Why not wait for Kovalev, a bigger forward who would have come for shorter term, who was already a proven commodity? Worst comes to worst and Kovy doesn't sign, well, we promote a prospect to the second-line RW spot. Would that really have been so bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 He made the offer on Monday IIRC, then pulled it by late Wednesday afternoon. So apparently two days was too long for Kovalev, but Gainey could wait three months before even letting Kovy know whether a deal would be offered or not. This is a little unfair, weep because we dont know what sort of discussions Gainey & Kovalev had prior to this. We're only seeing parts of the story we're privy to. What I don't understand about this whole mess is what Gainey said the week before free agency. He essentially called for patience and noted that spending too quickly in past summers left the team with no flexibility later on when good players became available. What does he do the following week? Exactly what he just admitted had been a mistake in years past. Was it really that necessary to sign Gionta? Are we so thin at winger that we absolutely needed to sign a smurf to a 5-year, $25 million contract, a forward who had exactly one great season in the league and who since then has put up inferior numbers to Kovalev? Were we that desperate to see if Gionta could re-ignite with Gomez again? I still don't get why Gainey pulled the Kovalev offer so quickly. By that point in the day, we had Gomez and Cammalleri already in the fold. We still had the Kostitsyns, Latendresse, D'Agostini, and Pacioretty under contract, so it's not like we were hurting for top-six wingers. Yet Gainey goes out and locks us into a long-term deal with Gionta. Why? Why not wait for Kovalev, a bigger forward who would have come for shorter term, who was already a proven commodity? Worst comes to worst and Kovy doesn't sign, well, we promote a prospect to the second-line RW spot. Would that really have been so bad? I agree with all of these points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imdocrob Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 I've got a great idea. Why don't we end the Gainey era and bring back saku and kovy. I mean don't the wants of the fans deserve any respect or consideration from management. I think it is really time for back to get his walking papers. You are destroying a great franchise now go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMan86 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 i see. Well im guessing because of kovys age that was one of the reasons i heard our overall teams age is around 27 which is quite good. I mean we kept our CORE guys and replaced the vets even if koivu and kovy did happen to be apart of the over haule...i mean when i think about what gainey is doing signing guys to 5 year deals it makes sense because in 5 years our young core will be beginning their prime years so when they are in their prime years i guess thats when we fill in the spots we need to fill in with key players we need. I know someone posted this little idea on the HF boards and i think its quite possible gainey isnt as crazy as ppl think lol we replaced our vets which were at ages around 35 with guys at the age of 30 or lower. so we arent too young or too old. and by the time cammi/gomez/giontas contracts are done our core will be ready. So the 5 year plan failed bob acknowledged that so he extended it to a 10 year plan lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xTybe_mtl Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Whatever, every season we complain about the lack of action on the montreal trade/UFA signing front. Every year we complain about kovalev and his pockets of complete lack of interest.. we cry and complain when UFA after UFA gets signed and montreal is left with the fringe pieces. Well Gainey finally goes out and gets some very high profile UFA's and another player via trade. He overpays for them, but big deal, it was either overpay or not get any of them at all. So let me ask all the people out there complaining about bobs spree, what would you rather have?? Bob not overpay these guys and in essence our team looks about exactly the same as last season? The habbies had the talent but were a very uninspired bunch last year for whatever reason. To me thats a problem of coaching and leadership... BOTH of which have been changed this off season. I do agree that these signings are either going to be an absolute miracle, or they will be a complete bust.. no in between, but whatever I like that we're taking that chance. We added plenty more scoring touch to replace the departures of kovalev and koivu (and theyre all North Americans.. which some people have complained that we lack) I'm still holding out a bit of hope that maybe Lang can come back cheap for one year, but if he doesnt no big deal, he might not play the same after that injury. Otherwise I dont mind the look of our team. As long as Pricey can bounce back from a disappointing season (like cam ward did last year) we could be going places.. and we now have lots of cup experience to help once we make the playoffs. The organization has a tradition of winning!! And you dont sacrifice the chance of winning for sentimental reasons. Saku's time is up. I love the guy but theres no room for a small 1st/2nd line centre that decides to show up once every 3 months to have a big game.. And I just didnt like the leadership situation last season. Kovalev is the same thing.. maybe he has a great year.. maybe he doesnt.. All the fans and armchair GMs, along with the hockey analysts everywhere RIPPED kovalev for his half-assedness.. but now theyre ripping montreal for not keeping him around?? Meh, all I know is all these people would be 10x as mad if we didnt pick up anyone at all. /rant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imdocrob Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 He made the offer on Monday IIRC, then pulled it by late Wednesday afternoon. So apparently two days was too long for Kovalev, but Gainey could wait three months before even letting Kovy know whether a deal would be offered or not. What I don't understand about this whole mess is what Gainey said the week before free agency. He essentially called for patience and noted that spending too quickly in past summers left the team with no flexibility later on when good players became available. What does he do the following week? Exactly what he just admitted had been a mistake in years past. Was it really that necessary to sign Gionta? Are we so thin at winger that we absolutely needed to sign a smurf to a 5-year, $25 million contract, a forward who had exactly one great season in the league and who since then has put up inferior numbers to Kovalev? Were we that desperate to see if Gionta could re-ignite with Gomez again? I still don't get why Gainey pulled the Kovalev offer so quickly. By that point in the day, we had Gomez and Cammalleri already in the fold. We still had the Kostitsyns, Latendresse, D'Agostini, and Pacioretty under contract, so it's not like we were hurting for top-six wingers. Yet Gainey goes out and locks us into a long-term deal with Gionta. Why? Why not wait for Kovalev, a bigger forward who would have come for shorter term, who was already a proven commodity? Worst comes to worst and Kovy doesn't sign, well, we promote a prospect to the second-line RW spot. Would that really have been so bad? One thing I have noticed with Bob is what he says and what he does are totally different. I hate his policy of not negociating contracts during the season. I feel it is only fair to let our boys know where they stand. This waiting crap has got to stop. I agree weeps another lack-luster winger that in my opinion is no better than what we have. Great moves BOB or is it BOOB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMan86 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 One thing I have noticed with Bob is what he says and what he does are totally different. I hate his policy of not negociating contracts during the season. I feel it is only fair to let our boys know where they stand. This waiting crap has got to stop. I agree weeps another lack-luster winger that in my opinion is no better than what we have. Great moves BOB or is it BOOB Oh please dude he followed his policy to the tee for 5 years now....the only thing i agree on is the contract crap while the season is still in play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitbull12 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 As much as we want to keep Kovalev and Koivu, it is time to move. The faster we let go, the fast they will rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-transaction-genius Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 good we don'T need a slow 36 year old who shows up for 1 game out of every 5. i'm a lot happier with the new young quick players that we have now atleast they are all known for wanting to play and trying hard every night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Any other petitions ya want to start up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMan86 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Any other petitions ya want to start up? bring back Patrice Brisebois lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Only because we threw a dumb contract at Gionta. I'd take Kovalev over Gionta anyday. But Weep, hasn't it been reported that Kovalev was the one who sat on his hands when Gainey offered him a two year deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozweego Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 I wish we could revoke our deal on Gainey. That right there would solve a bulk of the Canadiens problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMan86 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 I wish we could revoke our deal on Gainey. That right there would solve a bulk of the Canadiens problems. and who takes over? lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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