ozweego Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Hell, Guy Laflure could do a better job.........what..........too soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit6 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 This is really sad. At the end of the day we said in Bob we trust. We might not like all of his choices, but he must see something that we don't. Who knows what will happen next season, we will just have to wait and find out. I will miss the fun Kovy brought to the game of hockey, plus his famous sniping shots that we will always remember It's the end of the begining! Bring on the 09-10 season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMan86 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Hell, Guy Laflure could do a better job.........what..........too soon? yea sure..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Any other petitions ya want to start up? Bring back at least one ...... players who got the CH tattoo'd on his heart. Dandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsnyc Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 i have no problem with not bringing back kovalev. but process was handled poorly. i don't think there are any cosequences to it. but still, kovalev was a second team All-Star and the All-Star game MVP. you don't yank offers to guys like that, you either move on or make a deal that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Hell, Guy Laflure could do a better job.........what..........too soon? GUY GUY GUY... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 yea sure..... Was he kidding. Anyways,I guess there's a lot of disappointed Kovy fans today. All I 'll say is,same as I said to the others that have left...all the best in the future guys. All the best in the future for our new looking team,GOHABS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabHabit Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Well and like Ive said a few times, for maybe 1 or 2M more you could probably get Kovalev AND Koivu...id rather have both at $7m rather than Gionta at $5m... plus we probably wouldnt be locked in for 5 years. Anyway, I suppose its good to get closure on this story. I think its odd that Bob didnt mention Koivu who also has been getting lots of support in pleas to bring him back... talk about fueling the fire, bob! I think Gionta is a better two way player than Kovalev. While his point totals are similar or inferior to Kovy's, he will do better as one of the leaders for the young players in how to play an effective two way game. In my opinion, nobody did/does(?) this better than New Jersey. While +/- is an arguably imperfect stat, Gionta was +12 last year , whereas Kovy was -5 with very similar point totals. I am sorry to see Kovalev go, as he was easily my favourite Hab (Saku was number 2). But I think we are trying to build a team where everyone works all the time, everyone is defensively responsible and participates in the back check. A much more team-based effort - Personally I think Koivu suits this style - and would make a good 2nd line, or even 3rd line, centre. I wonder if Bob might still be leaving a crack in the door for Saku(?) Kovalev would merely become frustrated (again) - which in turn would lead to more melodrama and more distractions/rumours/etc, etc - It is time for Kovalev to move on, IMO. That being said, I still think our greater need right now is on D - and if we could pump $4MM in to signing a top 4 Defenceman versus re-signing either Koivu or Kovalev, that is where I personally would put my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ForeverGuyLafleur Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 With the comments made by Bob, I will tell this in JR's way: he can kiss my *censored*! All this faith in our future (especially Plekanec and the Kostitsyn brothers) is totally misplaced by Bob. The way they played last season was utter rubbish, and Bob will try making me believe they will do better since the old guys are gone? NO! If they were that good, they wouldn't need the older guys to leave in order to do any good. Also, who'll be the next true leader? Some guy here wrote yesterday that a new leader might emerge now that Koivu and Kovalev are gone, but I'll tell this: no one should wait for current leaders to leave before becoming a real one. We'll sure miss Kovy... AK27 4LIFE! Bob Gainey... *shows him my middle finger* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imdocrob Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 I think Gionta is a better two way player than Kovalev. While his point totals are similar or inferior to Kovy's, he will do better as one of the leaders for the young players in how to play an effective two way game. In my opinion, nobody did/does(?) this better than New Jersey. While +/- is an arguably imperfect stat, Gionta was +12 last year , whereas Kovy was -5 with very similar point totals. I am sorry to see Kovalev go, as he was easily my favourite Hab (Saku was number 2). But I think we are trying to build a team where everyone works all the time, everyone is defensively responsible and participates in the back check. A much more team-based effort - Personally I think Koivu suits this style - and would make a good 2nd line, or even 3rd line, centre. I wonder if Bob might still be leaving a crack in the door for Saku(?) Kovalev would merely become frustrated (again) - which in turn would lead to more melodrama and more distractions/rumours/etc, etc - It is time for Kovalev to move on, IMO. That being said, I still think our greater need right now is on D - and if we could pump $4MM in to signing a top 4 Defenceman versus re-signing either Koivu or Kovalev, that is where I personally would put my money. Don't you mean a much more boring style of hockey. I think that is what we are developing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arpem-can Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 I think Gionta is a better two way player than Kovalev. While his point totals are similar or inferior to Kovy's, he will do better as one of the leaders for the young players in how to play an effective two way game. In my opinion, nobody did/does(?) this better than New Jersey. While +/- is an arguably imperfect stat, Gionta was +12 last year , whereas Kovy was -5 with very similar point totals. I am sorry to see Kovalev go, as he was easily my favourite Hab (Saku was number 2). But I think we are trying to build a team where everyone works all the time, everyone is defensively responsible and participates in the back check. A much more team-based effort - Personally I think Koivu suits this style - and would make a good 2nd line, or even 3rd line, centre. I wonder if Bob might still be leaving a crack in the door for Saku(?) Kovalev would merely become frustrated (again) - which in turn would lead to more melodrama and more distractions/rumours/etc, etc - It is time for Kovalev to move on, IMO. That being said, I still think our greater need right now is on D - and if we could pump $4MM in to signing a top 4 Defenceman versus re-signing either Koivu or Kovalev, that is where I personally would put my money. I agree...as much as I love Saku the last thing we need now is a small player.... The cards are saying go with the younger guys and a new direction ...I don't know if there is a top 4 d-man out there available for the money we have but it doesn't mean Bob can't package some players in a trade before the season starts and I'd be all for it...I can live with Kovy gone ..this is a new start ...Bob tried keeping the team and adding pieces (Lang,Tanguay Metropolit,Breezer ,Schneider) but the season never had consistancy...the same team as last year wouldn't be good enough...I think this is a better team today starting out with no distractions and a new coach...everybody should take a pill and give this team a chance...good job Bob for not sitting on your hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ShishTaouk Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 With the comments made by Bob, I will tell this in JR's way: he can kiss my *censored*! All this faith in our future (especially Plekanec and the Kostitsyn brothers) is totally misplaced by Bob. The way they played last season was utter rubbish, and Bob will try making me believe they will do better since the old guys are gone? NO! If they were that good, they wouldn't need the older guys to leave in order to do any good. Also, who'll be the next true leader? Some guy here wrote yesterday that a new leader might emerge now that Koivu and Kovalev are gone, but I'll tell this: no one should wait for current leaders to leave before becoming a real one. We'll sure miss Kovy... AK27 4LIFE! Bob Gainey... *shows him my middle finger* Wow people are overreacting! And if, unlike Bob, YOU have no faith in our young players, then what difference does it make having Saku and Kovy still in the lineup. Do you really think these two guys can make us win by themselves?? I really don't think so. Alors of our success relies on the performance of these young guys (plekanec and Kostystyns) and I hope they get an important role to play in the team next year. I, for one, think the new veterans in our team will be able to help (better then our last veterans) them become an important part of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arpem-can Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 I think Gionta is a better two way player than Kovalev. While his point totals are similar or inferior to Kovy's, he will do better as one of the leaders for the young players in how to play an effective two way game. In my opinion, nobody did/does(?) this better than New Jersey. While +/- is an arguably imperfect stat, Gionta was +12 last year , whereas Kovy was -5 with very similar point totals. I am sorry to see Kovalev go, as he was easily my favourite Hab (Saku was number 2). But I think we are trying to build a team where everyone works all the time, everyone is defensively responsible and participates in the back check. A much more team-based effort - Personally I think Koivu suits this style - and would make a good 2nd line, or even 3rd line, centre. I wonder if Bob might still be leaving a crack in the door for Saku(?) Kovalev would merely become frustrated (again) - which in turn would lead to more melodrama and more distractions/rumours/etc, etc - It is time for Kovalev to move on, IMO. That being said, I still think our greater need right now is on D - and if we could pump $4MM in to signing a top 4 Defenceman versus re-signing either Koivu or Kovalev, that is where I personally would put my money. I agree...as much as I love Saku the last thing we need now is a small player.... The cards are saying go with the younger guys and a new direction ...I don't know if there is a top 4 d-man out there available for the money we have but it doesn't mean Bob can't package some players in a trade before the season starts and I'd be all for it...I can live with Kovy gone ..this is a new start ...Bob tried keeping the team and adding pieces (Lang,Tanguay Metropolit,Breezer ,Schneider) but the season never had consistancy...the same team as last year wouldn't be good enough...I think this is a better team today starting out with no distractions and a new coach...everybody should take a pill and give this team a chance...good job Bob for not sitting on your hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmerpuck Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Well goodbye Kovy and good luck wherever you land. Hopefully the Habs can negate that shot of yours. Surely Kovalev can put up numbers comparable to Gionta for less money. But Gionta is younger and I think the impact he will have on his linemates will perhaps be a much greater positive than what Kovy could bring. The Habs are going to be more of a puck possession team? How long was Gainey supposed to wait for Kovy's answer? I guess a GM could negotiate and get a player signed before the end of the season. I don't know - then said player could coast along too. What's the percentage of potential UFA's who get signed before the season ends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 But Weep, hasn't it been reported that Kovalev was the one who sat on his hands when Gainey offered him a two year deal? Oh, right. He 'sat on his hands' for two days. But Gainey certainly didn't 'sit on his hands' for the past three months, keeping everyone in limbo about whether they'd be offered contracts. And like I said, why was it so damn necessary to sign Brian Gionta by the end of the first day of free agency? He's not an elite player. If he hadn't signed, I'm sure we could have found an adequate replacement in-house or maybe on the UFA market for less term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Don't you mean a much more boring style of hockey. I think that is what we are developing here. Who cares, if it wins games? Id rather fall asleep & wake up to a stanley cup than be on the edge of my seat & miss the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsFan042069_mtl Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 GUY GUY GUY... The next scenario we will all see is when Gionta stinks up the joint (hopefully NOT)...the chant will go up for Kovy!! Kovy!Kovy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imdocrob Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 I agree...as much as I love Saku the last thing we need now is a small player.... The cards are saying go with the younger guys and a new direction ...I don't know if there is a top 4 d-man out there available for the money we have but it doesn't mean Bob can't package some players in a trade before the season starts and I'd be all for it...I can live with Kovy gone ..this is a new start ...Bob tried keeping the team and adding pieces (Lang,Tanguay Metropolit,Breezer ,Schneider) but the season never had consistancy...the same team as last year wouldn't be good enough...I think this is a better team today starting out with no distractions and a new coach...everybody should take a pill and give this team a chance...good job Bob for not sitting on your hands Hello did you not see who we picked up? None of these guys are that big and none bleed red white and blue like saku does. You will never convince me that these are a better pick-up than koivu. Agreed that kovy played when he wanted to but not saku, he was there game in and game out and can still perform. Gainey blew it by not keeping our captain. I would rather lose Pleks cause obviously with his arbitration he doesn't give a crap about this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozweego Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 I would rather lose Pleks cause obviously with his arbitration he doesn't give a crap about this team. I agree with you 100%. **** I hate that guy. Useless waste of skin. Deal him out of town, re-sign Koivu and lets get on with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squ1g33 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Sad day indeed. KOVY was the Habs for the past 4 years, he carried them on his back. If he did well, the team won, if he did poorly them team lost. That is why I think everything he does is so magnified and for that reason alone, SHAME on the people for calling him less that devoted. He was never a franchise player, yet somehow fans and media thought he should be, of course with that HUGE Franchise tag and salary we gave him... what a joke. Instead of running him out of town, BG should have found a reliable centreman long ago. Now, Koivu on the other hand also was not a Franchise player, in fact at best a second line centreman and now a third line centreman. I understand BG wanting to get rid of Koivu because he had to shed the image from the team of this guy. And alos no UFA's wanted to come to Montreal with Koivu leading the squad, maybe because they didn't want to play on his wing? WHo knows, and sure there are other reasons but the reality is that you will not attract high end talent with mediocre stars. Koivu is more of a figure ambassador to the team. He meant alot to the fans for surviving cancer, etc.... But that does NOT win you Stanley Cups. So, BG goes out and gets new talent - but IMO where he majorly fails is losing KOVY. a cheap star winger who should be Captain of the team, and throughout everything, we still "change the image of the franchise". Sad day indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngnv Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 After last year, I'm sure glad Kovy is gone. I also think Plekanec and the Kostityns should be traded for some bigger bodies. Koivu I would love to have around for another year or two, but I don't think we were ever going to win a championship with those guys leading the way. Sorry. We have some young players like Latendresse, Pacioretty, Chipchura and Maxwell, who bring more intensity and size to the lineup. I say, down with the skilled players who bring no intensity to the game, and up with the players who work hard every shift and who are willing to take the punishment required to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PULVERlZER Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 good we don'T need a slow 36 year old who shows up for 1 game out of every 5. i'm a lot happier with the new young quick players that we have now atleast they are all known for wanting to play and trying hard every night Wow, 1 game out of every 5?...so his 65 pts last year meant that he's capable of getting roughly 300 per season? That's a little unfair, no?...his ice time was poorly managed last season under the coaching of Carbonneau. He should have been playing 20-23 mins per game....not 15-17mins. We still have quite a few lazy players on the roster. Plecanec, who, by the way, will be entering salary arbitration, is lazy. Latrendresse is another. He's 3rd line RW at best. You want a good 3rd line RW?...sign Tom Kostopulous...he's got heart. Far as I'm concerned, the 2 K Bros. are trade fodder. The only player I'd consider building a team around given what we have is Camelleri...and even then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecaissie Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Good because we can't afford him. Oh yea....and we can afford the 25 mil for a second rate winger that doesn't even come close to Kovy's talent. Yea GREAT MOVE BOB!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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