RSD Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Ummm....the new pylon's name is Hal Gill. yeah but this pylon did his job in the playoffs and helped his team win the cup what did the other pylon do? help us get eliminated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I would venture that one of the Habs current "D" gets traded this summer ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsgal Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I really don't know what the organization sees in O'Bryne, I really don't. And my opinion is not based on 3,4,5 games of watching him play. He was horrendous last year. Hopefully he sees the need to improve and will work on that when camp opens or beforehand. Martin, I believe, will have a short leash where he is concern. And Gorges really need to improve on his skating skills. The only thing that concerns me is not having that reliable second 'D unit on the Power Play. Not so much of a pairing, one guy would be adequate. Markov and Spacek will see tons of ice in this regard. Price should regain his confidence with that big core in front of him taking a no nonsense approach = being mean. We were pussy willows on the back end for a while now but I think that has changed. Staying healthy will be key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsprite18 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 We should have got Scuderi instead of Gill! We should have got Beauchemin. We should have kept JP Cote in the system. We should have kept Streit. With, the exception of Markov, I like the Leafs D much better than ours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsolute-pp1 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I think our defensive core can compete with the stacked Toronto defensive core... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsprite18 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Hope you are right - it may depend on how quickly Weber and Subban step up - you've got to admit Komisarek was a loss though and Beauchemin is a gamer! Schenn is no slouch either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsgal Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I think our defensive core can compete with the stacked Toronto defensive core... [/quote stacked Toronto defensive core > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I think our defensive core can compete with the stacked Toronto defensive core... stacked Toronto defensive core > but they don't have any good offensive players. except for grabovski and Blake < :lol: But yea toronto is going to have very strong defensive D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losthab Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 mara/weber will be pp2 markov/spacek pp1. our pp is fine on the blueline. gill/mara for pk. as a unit we are looking good on d, much like carolina few years back the unit d corps outplayed the individual talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 We should have got Scuderi instead of Gill! We should have got Beauchemin. We should have kept JP Cote in the system. We should have kept Streit. With, the exception of Markov, I like the Leafs D much better than ours lol, JP Cote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngnv Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 The only good D-man we lost this off-season was Komi. What does Komi bring to the team? Solid D, big hits, and blocked shots. NO OFFENSE. Now look at the new guys. First, Hal Gill, solid D, physical, long reach, can kill penalties, and NO OFFENSE. So, IMO, Gill pretty much fills Komi's role on the team for half the money, and he has proven he can do it over the long haul which is the stanley cup playoffs. Something Komi has yet to prove. Then on top of that, you add the grit and toughness of Mara and you have two great additions for only one real loss. Then on top of that you look at the character of the guys we have now as compared to before. Also, you look at the chemistry that is being created on this team. All the new players are well connected and have good chemistry with each other. This is going to be a good year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 We should have got Scuderi instead of Gill! We should have got Beauchemin. We should have kept JP Cote in the system. We should have kept Streit. With, the exception of Markov, I like the Leafs D much better than ours lol i only agree with streit...people are writing gill off way too early, why do i say this? because he just came off a championship team...hear me out for a second...if this guy was such a useless d-man right, wouldnt the pens have gotten rid of him during trade deadline? why would they keep someone that was going to free agency that they didnt want because he was so useless, they could have traded him and got a pick...instead they kept him at trade deadline added guerin and went on a playoff run that took them from 10th to the cup...they used him, the new coach in town obviously saw a use and need for him because he was used throughout the playoffs wasnt he?...the guy obviously knows what to do, some people are judging based on what they think they've seen...he wasnt the greatest on toronto, but who is? this guy ended up getting traded to the pens who for the seasons that they had him went to the finals both times...yeah hes not going to get points all the time, but what he is going to do is clear the front of the net something that komiserek could not do effectively this past season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I really don't know what the organization sees in O'Bryne, I really don't. As I am one also habsgal that was on his back last season too,I cannot forget that he was far from the only young player that had a disappointing yr. He is one that I'm not quite ready to give up on though. Wanna see an improvement from him this time around,& kinda feel that he'll be ok. Butttttttttt,if he has a repeat performance,I think I'd be ready to cut him lose. Let's see what he can accomplish under the new coaching/new face team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 As I am one also habsgal that was on his back last season too,I cannot forget that he was far from the only young player that had a disappointing yr. He is one that I'm not quite ready to give up on though. Wanna see an improvement from him this time around,& kinda feel that he'll be ok. Butttttttttt,if he has a repeat performance,I think I'd be ready to cut him lose. Let's see what he can accomplish under the new coaching/new face team. IMO he'll have a hard time seeing any action unless he somehow cracks the top 6 or we hit a ton of injuries. Even at that,,,,,if a guy like Marky or Spacek go down i would expect a more offensive player like Weber to see some ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TORHABSFAN Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I love the new look d.. Its a HUGE improvement on last years. First off Komi flat out sucked last year.. I don't care what anyone says and the truth is it started before the Lucic fight that just gave him an excuse. He did get worse after the fight and lost his edge but he was bad before the fight too. he was no #2 d-man last year not even close.. he was more like our number #4 or #5 last year behind Markov, Georges and Hamer for sure and at the end I would even say Schinder. Komi from two years ago was great but last years guy was awful and I took it way to easy on the guy in my comments because I liked him. I am no fan of Hall Gill. I have called him a pylon for years and that not going to chancge.. But I will admit that his addition was a good move. 1. Because it fills Komis spot... not to the same degree as the Komi from 2 years back, but from last years guy? Yeah I buy that. Gill is not a guy I want on the ice 5 on 5 against a fast skating line. He is not mobile enough to catch the aster fowards of the league. However on the PK he might be one of the most effective d-men we could have got. he is physical and clears that front of the net.. something we struggled with last year. He has a long stick and takes away passing lanes. He also adds size and grit to a samll team. Spacek was a good move too. He adds more puck movement. IMO last year we had problems in this department big time. After Markov we really fell of the map in this regard. We did not have a defence that could get the puck to the forwards in postions to create offence. Oou MO was throw the puck to the point which lead to turnovers and created more offence for the oppisition. Spacek is needed because of his vision and puck movement.. If each pairing has a guy who can move the puck we are much better off. He also can shoot from the point.. he is no 15-20 goal guy like Souray but it adds a bit more of a threat that wasn't there for much of last season. Mara actualy made me very happy. I really like this guy. He adds more size and some grit. I love his postoning and defensive game.. and he has a bit of offence too. he can move the puck and has a hard shot. Its not accurate as it could be thats for sure but the guy did score 15 in the past. He has been more of a 5 goal guy as of late but again liek spacek adds a bit more of a threat. They guy is not great at anything but is good and solid at everything. Nice well rounded guy with a great work ethic and attitude. Nice leader type guy here. I like that he has played with Gill, and Gomez in the past as well. It helps to have some of these new guys play with each other in the past since there is so many new faces. Over all I think our d is much more well rounded then last years.. Much better puck movement. more options for point shots. more size and much more versitility. I love this balanced aproach I believe it will prove to be a much greater asset then the Leafs Big Banger d that has very little puck movement or offence after Kaberlae who will likely be traded anyway. I also believe this group will be much more durable then last years group which seemed to always have 2 or more guys out of the line up.. And if and when a guy does go down I like I haveing Webber, O'Byrne, Carle, Belle, Fisher and Subban as options to sill out the bottom pairing.. This is a deep and balanced group. I like it a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77bourque77 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 i will be watching the d very close this year that is for sure. kinda rattled about gill, but im not going to past judgment on him. im actually excited to see how this pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 It's significantly improved, I think it was the wrong decision to give a 2-year contract to Hal Gill, and in hindsight with the Mara signing we could have not given him a contract. Actually, I'd rather have not signed either, given a contract to Beauchemin, and given some more playing time to O'Byrne or Weber. But the D does look slightly better this season. How much better? Impossible to say right now IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catt-_mtlc Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I love it, its a big tough smashmouth defense that will only help Price's play and give the kid some confidence back. I don't think you'll see opposing players running Price this season without getting punished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Imho, this is the best defense I've seen here in 3 seasons. We got size as well as skill and this whole Gill issue, I really have no problem with it. The guy is huge! The reason why teams continued to take liberties with us last seasons, is cos BGL was on his own (and gone most of the season). Sure BGL added size and toughness, but he had no one to back him up. This coming season we have Moen, Gill, Mara and Hammer (who can play a physical game). In fact, I'd be surprised if Hammer doesn't get back into the physical part of his game. It's kinda discouraging when there's like 2 big boys on the team and they're expected to keep the peace. Pretty much at any given time this coming season, we'll have a guy on the ice who can do damage and if that doesn't work, then we bring out BGL. I love it, its a big tough smashmouth defense that will only help Price's play and give the kid some confidence back. I don't think you'll see opposing players running Price this season without getting punished. Oh they'll get punished alright! 3 maybe 4 times over! Lol, they'll all take a crack at em! They big boys will have to draw strawson the bench to figure out who's turn it is to lay down the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 The thing with Gill is that he's a huge player who doesn't hit or play physically. He has good reach, but his mobility is questionable and he is not going to smoke forwards along the boards if that's what everyone is hoping for. Gill is a perfect example of how chasing size on its own merit can be a faulty strategy. Dagenais was big too and did squat with his big frame. Mara will be a better addition in the physicality department, and I'm hoping that O'Byrne can make that leap too. But Gill? Waste of cap and a roster spot IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren19 Posted July 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 The thing with Gill is that he's a huge player who doesn't hit or play physically. He has good reach, but his mobility is questionable and he is not going to smoke forwards along the boards if that's what everyone is hoping for. Gill is a perfect example of how chasing size on its own merit can be a faulty strategy. Dagenais was big too and did squat with his big frame. Mara will be a better addition in the physicality department, and I'm hoping that O'Byrne can make that leap too. But Gill? Waste of cap and a roster spot IMO. I dunno.... Gill did pretty well against the best team in league. I think if he is used well( 3rd pairing minutes), he could be a real asset to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromedome_mtl Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Agreed. It does appear that price will have some decent help assisting him up in front.That's a good thing,for starters. I noticed in the last few day,that the "GAINEY MUST GO" CHANTS have simmered down some. Going into the season,with all the new acquisitions,with such a unknown,there was soooo many questions. Were not looking that bad,as some had us being. But,we still need to wait & see how this team gels together,and hoping some team chemistry with this new team all comes together. I am so looking forward the the season. GOHABS. But if the 2 d-men are helping Price stay up on his skates in front ,that means the forwards have to handle everything else by themselves,no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatz Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I like our defense core. The Mara signing adds toughness to it, and we do have some size. Gill at 6'9" and Mara is a pretty big dude at 6'4" and 219 pounds, and a fighter. I like our defense corps. I think it's improved. I agree now as far as little or alot. For sure a little the next two seasons I hope we will see the alot. I agree that this is help for Price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koreysecord1992 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 A little better. But as I said in the "new Habs" thread: ask me in 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry-Launstein-Jr Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 We'll see how improved they are when they have to face the Milan Lucic's and Tomas Holmstroms of the world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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