Kubby31 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Geez people are hard to follow... All last year people were screaming to get us some good d-men. Bob finally does it and those same people are now screaming cos there's too many NHL d-men and no room for youngins. There will be injuries and spots will open up. If they're good enough to crack the lineup on a full-time basis, then we'll have trade-bate come the trade deadline. I think people forget that we have a shaky goalie who's looking for confidence. Unfortunately, our focus has to be on him right now. Once he finds his game and can steal games for us, then we'll be able to introduce some AHLer's, until then, our focus should be on Price. Good points brought up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamrlik Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I think the D has been improved. bigger, stronger, and more talented. I am glad Bob didn't sign Beauchemin. lets face it Beau has only played 82 games once in his career. Toronto paid too much for a guy who isn't gonna be there all year. Price should have a better year due to the fact there shouldn't be 30 + shots on him every game. less in front of him he should be able to see more shots. I can`t wait to see the kids this year, I am excited to see what Webber can do, i am really excited to see if Subban cracks the line up at some point. lets not forget this is the team today. Oct 1st is a long ways away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtl_-Habs4Life-_mtlc Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Who the heck voted for "worse than last year"? Do they not remember how much of a DISASTER the defense was last year? Not sure how anyone can say that a starting lineup of Markov, Komisarek, Hamrlik, Gorges, and Bouillon is better than Markov, Spacek, Hamrlik, Mara, Gorges, and Gill? Blasphemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamrlik Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Who the heck voted for "worse than last year"? Do they not remember how much of a DISASTER the defense was last year? Not sure how anyone can say that a starting lineup of Markov, Komisarek, Hamrlik, Gorges, and Bouillon is better than Markov, Spacek, Hamrlik, Mara, Gorges, and Gill? Blasphemy. someone is bitter about Komi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patinwoody Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 If we can't sign Schneider we should try and get Chelios.......just joking!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfourni Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 If we can't sign Schneider we should try and get Chelios.......just joking!! HAHA or better yet get both and we can have the "Fossil Line" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 this group of D men is way more balanced than last years group, and should be better for our young netminders. last year the D corps was awful and the year before they played over their heads, it should be much more stable and a better enviroment to bring in young talent, they won't have as much to worry about with a good core of vet's around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-K-46 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 it improved in a sense of size and defensive skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 If we can't sign Schneider we should try and get Chelios.......just joking!! I honestly like our team upgrade,waiting patiently till we get to see this team in action. Gohabs,I think we will be pleasantly surprised/impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
464VermontHabs Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 I think that the "D" is the best thing that BG has done, they seems tough and should do a good job of protecting Price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habulator Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 I like the changes on the "D" men. But the thing that is exciting for me, (hopefully) is that we will have a defensive system put in place - where every player knows what his role on the ice is. In other words, no hanging the d'men out to dry - if the forwards don't do their defensive zone coverage, allstar defencemen look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince271121_mtl Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 subban we need him that guy will past mike green in goals,subban is our best dmen maybe not now but he will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 I like the changes on the "D" men. But the thing that is exciting for me, (hopefully) is that we will have a defensive system put in place - where every player knows what his role on the ice is. In other words, no hanging the d'men out to dry - if the forwards don't do their defensive zone coverage, allstar defencemen look bad. Agreed, and the same goes for the goalie vis-a-vis the defensemen: if the D-men don't do their jobs, the goalie looks bad. What excites me the most about this coming season is the prospect of Martin implementing a sound logical system that every player buys into and executes properly. Watching Carbonneau hockey for the past three years was prep for checking myself into a mental hospital. Something really, really simple like positioning for a D to D pass behind the net when the opponent tries to dump and chase? We never did it properly. Ditto with our neutral-zone 'trapping' and our token one-man forecheck. Whatever we do, whatever system we play, I just want us to do it right as a team on a consistent basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Agreed, and the same goes for the goalie vis-a-vis the defensemen: if the D-men don't do their jobs, the goalie looks bad. What excites me the most about this coming season is the prospect of Martin implementing a sound logical system that every player buys into and executes properly. Watching Carbonneau hockey for the past three years was prep for checking myself into a mental hospital. Something really, really simple like positioning for a D to D pass behind the net when the opponent tries to dump and chase? We never did it properly. Ditto with our neutral-zone 'trapping' and our token one-man forecheck. Whatever we do, whatever system we play, I just want us to do it right as a team on a consistent basis. +1 I know many of us question certain signings this summer but the fact that gainey went out & got a great 'system' coach & then looks to have asked his opinion on which UFA to sign & virtually reshaped the team over night, makes me think we may be on to something. Its probably the first time a team has done this - at least this drastically - since the new CBA started...time will tell if it pays off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialboyMikey Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Actually Tampa Bay Did this a couple years back. They really thought they had a cup contending team and that was the season they drafted tavares, they had signed malone, roberts, and bunch of other guys, it doesnt always work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcammalleri Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 It has improved in terms of depth and also fixed a very old problem of finding a stable partner for Hammer. Having said that, I will still miss Komi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcammalleri Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 I think that the "D" is the best thing that BG has done, they seems tough and should do a good job of protecting Price Whoever is the starter, Price or Halak...won't have the luxury of blaming it on the defence this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Whoever is the starter, Price or Halak...won't have the luxury of blaming it on the defence this year. Last year's defense was awful. Carbs 1-4 system or whatever it was sucked really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtl_-1drydenfan Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Markov Spacek Hamrlik Mara Gill Gorges O'Byrne I think the D core improved a lot in terms of skill but mostly it will surround are best asset a lot better; Price. I agree the D core has improved alot but we need a d man to work with Markov on powerplay. As for Price,he is an excellent goaltender and will eventually lead us to #25.I still think BG should try to sign Lang and Tanguay for 1 year and see if they can stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 I agree the D core has improved alot but we need a d man to work with Markov on powerplay... With the signing of Spacek for three years to quarteback the second wave of the PP, IMO, the door is open to trade Hamrlik and perhaps acquire that player to play with Markov... I'm not sold on as is this is what I see making sense so far... Markov-??? Spacek-Mara Gill-??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risteenhuis Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 On paper this is the best top 6 Montreal has had in a long long time. Add to that players like O'bryne, Weber, Subban and Belle for depth and future needs. I would love to get another top offensive defenceman in case Markov get hurt. Let's face it. Our team was dreadful when Markov got hurt late in the season. Tomas Kaberle would be a good choice. Anton Babchuk might be a good choice. Cam Barker might be a good choice. But there is a major problem. These kind of offensive defencemen come with big cap hit and/or big trade expectations. Maybe someone will be available at the trade deadline that will fit into the cap and only cost a draft pick. My money would be on Weber or Subban really stepping up this season. If Markov gets injuried I presume that our team will hope that a better defensive system from our head coach will still get our team wins. I also assume that our GM is hoping that Weber or Subban will be ready to provide offensive skill from the D. Overall the top 6 is better then it has been since 1993. IMHO. Our next level of spare parts in O'byrne, Weber, Belle, and Subban appear to be able to fill temporary roles on our team in the event an injury to one or more of the the top 6 D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 The defence is older and will most likely be slow. Three defencemen in their mid 30's (34-35) who will playing on their down side of their careers in the next year or 2. I seriously doubt that these veterans are good enough to form the defence core for a Stanley Cup contender. They may make the team competitive enough to appease the fan base though. Though it is unlikely it would have been nice to see the team work some of the young defence prospects (like Carle or Weber) into the line up. It now looks like they (and me as a fan) are going to have wait for 2-3 years before they even have a chance to crack the line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtl_-Habs4Life-_mtlc Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 The defence is older and will most likely be slow. Three defencemen in their mid 30's (34-35) who will playing on their down side of their careers in the next year or 2. I seriously doubt that these veterans are good enough to form the defence core for a Stanley Cup contender. On paper this defense looks better than the Pittsburgh core that just won the Stanley Cup. Time will tell of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 On paper this defense looks better than the Pittsburgh core that just won the Stanley Cup. Time will tell of course. I must disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Gone Komisarek - young , big but absolutley zero offence Brisebois - it was time Dandenault - he was versatile , could play D or forward Arrived Spacek - 35 years old - maybe 30 to 40 pts Gill - 34 years old ; Big , really big but slow . In fact he was often referred to on this site, when he played for the Leafs as one of those orange triangular things you put on the road - maybe 10 to 20 pts Marra - 30 yrs old . I've heard the name before but his signing is IMO nothing major. Just another # 5 or # 6 D man which we this team has plenty of It looks like the D did get older and possibly slower but time will tell Other than Markov , not much in the way of quick puck moving D men although I don't know much about Spacek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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