amp73 Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 my d-lines would be: 1st- Markov, Obyrne - groom him like Komi 2nd- Spacek, Weber - Have someone responsible with Weber 3rd- Mara, Gill - you have Mara who plays solid D, and Gill who can play effective shutdown. and then with injuries or weaker teams you work younger guys like Subban or Carle in to get experience. THOUGHTS? Don't take this personally bvut I shudder if those are the D parings this year O'Byrne with Markov ? O'byrne is a guy who couldn't crack the top 6 last year and your making him a # 1 this year Weber and Spacek ? Weber doesn't have experience to even crack the lineup Mara and Gill as 3 rd pairing is fine but you fail to include Gorges and Hamerlik somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Don't take this personally bvut I shudder if those are the D parings this year O'Byrne with Markov ? O'byrne is a guy who couldn't crack the top 6 last year and your making him a # 1 this year Weber and Spacek ? Weber doesn't have experience to even crack the lineup Mara and Gill as 3 rd pairing is fine but you fail to include Gorges and Hamerlik somewhere Have to agree with regis on this one. Markov is our only "definite" - he's our #1. Who is playing alongside him? I dunno. Could be Spacek, could be hamerlik, could even be Mara. My best guess is this is what we'll see to start the season: Markov-Hamrlik (Arguably our 2 best. hamrlik would probably have a huge bounce back alongside Markov...but can we afford to play him there or do we need his skillset on the second pairing? Good size.) Spacek-Mara (a #2 version of our top pairing. good passer, good shutdown guy. Both have scored over 40 points. Good size) Gorges-Gill (Solid 3rd pairing. I dont like Gills contract but I have no concerns whatsoever that he can be a very solid 3rd pairing guy. When Gorges isnt asked to play above his abilities, he's great. Great size.) Obviously, this leaves no room for rookies, but that will come in time. There WILL be injuries (whether we want to admit that or not) and the youngsters will get their chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 The current defensive core... Markov 5.75 million, Hamrlik 5.5 million, Spacek 3.83 million, Gill 2.25 million, Mara 1.68 million, Gorges 1.1 million and O'Byrne .942 million As is... Six left-hand shots? One right-hand shot who is low man on the totem pole... So is the battle for the sixth spot... Gorges vs. O'Byrne or what? Can you really expect one of Belle, Weber or Carle to get a shot without a trade happening? Perhaps O'Byrne is on the bubble... Perhaps Gorges is trade bait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dso67 Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Don't take this personally bvut I shudder if those are the D parings this year O'Byrne with Markov ? O'byrne is a guy who couldn't crack the top 6 last year and your making him a # 1 this year Weber and Spacek ? Weber doesn't have experience to even crack the lineup Mara and Gill as 3 rd pairing is fine but you fail to include Gorges and Hamerlik somewhere LMAO.... I completely forgot about Gorges and hammer!!! wow i feel stupid, lol. ok how about this. markov, hammer spacek, mara gorges, gill with weber and obyrne getting time on third throughout the year. again, silly oversight on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucker16_mtl Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Have to agree with regis on this one. Markov is our only "definite" - he's our #1. Who is playing alongside him? I dunno. Could be Spacek, could be hamerlik, could even be Mara. My best guess is this is what we'll see to start the season: Markov-Hamrlik (Arguably our 2 best. hamrlik would probably have a huge bounce back alongside Markov...but can we afford to play him there or do we need his skillset on the second pairing? Good size.) Spacek-Mara (a #2 version of our top pairing. good passer, good shutdown guy. Both have scored over 40 points. Good size) Gorges-Gill (Solid 3rd pairing. I dont like Gills contract but I have no concerns whatsoever that he can be a very solid 3rd pairing guy. When Gorges isnt asked to play above his abilities, he's great. Great size.) Obviously, this leaves no room for rookies, but that will come in time. There WILL be injuries (whether we want to admit that or not) and the youngsters will get their chances. i can see why all our d rookie will stay with the habs. there is no room for them. looking at last season, i don't think that hamrlik is our top d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 The current defensive core... Markov 5.75 million, Hamrlik 5.5 million, Spacek 3.83 million, Gill 2.25 million, Mara 1.68 million, Gorges 1.1 million and O'Byrne .942 million As is... Six left-hand shots? One right-hand shot who is low man on the totem pole... So is the battle for the sixth spot... Gorges vs. O'Byrne or what? Can you really expect one of Belle, Weber or Carle to get a shot without a trade happening? Perhaps O'Byrne is on the bubble... Perhaps Gorges is trade bait... O'Byrne could certainly be on the bubble. And I would totally deal Gorges if the right deal was there. I mean, let's face it... Next season our defense is still going to look like: Markov, Hamrlik, Spacek, and Gill... Mathieu Carle is eventually going to leave the organization if he doesn't get a shot, P.K. Subban will soon be challenging for a spot, Yannick Weber has already shown that he can play at the NHL level, and Shawn Belle seems like a possible 5-6 pairing candidate. For the younger guys to develop someone's going to have to eventually leave. And I somehow doubt it's going to be Hamrlik's $5.5 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 O'Byrne could certainly be on the bubble. And I would totally deal Gorges if the right deal was there. I mean, let's face it... Next season our defense is still going to look like: Markov, Hamrlik, Spacek, and Gill... Mathieu Carle is eventually going to leave the organization if he doesn't get a shot, P.K. Subban will soon be challenging for a spot, Yannick Weber has already shown that he can play at the NHL level, and Shawn Belle seems like a possible 5-6 pairing candidate. For the younger guys to develop someone's going to have to eventually leave. And I somehow doubt it's going to be Hamrlik's $5.5 million. Just how and for what reason? Don't you believe he would be marketable? Do you think we really need him? A lot of 'Gorges' fans would be shocked by what you've said in his regard... but I'm curious what that right deal would look like I'm sure there would be takers. I'd hate to give up on O'Byrne, regardless of his faux pas... yet I believe other teams would be interested in acquiring him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhljc Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 #1 - markov, mara #2 - hamrlik, spacek #3 - gill, gorges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 I don't think either Shawn Belle or Matt Carle will ever make the NHL at this point. We have 7 D-men with O'Byrne, and Weber is first in line after his excellent play against the Bruins back in the playoffs. Subban and Fischer will be knocking on the door next year, and 100% ready by the time Markov, Gorges, O'Byrne, Hamrlik and Gill all go UFA at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 I don't think either Shawn Belle or Matt Carle will ever make the NHL at this point. We have 7 D-men with O'Byrne, and Weber is first in line after his excellent play against the Bruins back in the playoffs. Subban and Fischer will be knocking on the door next year, and 100% ready by the time Markov, Gorges, O'Byrne, Hamrlik and Gill all go UFA at the same time. I don't see why thats a bad thing, I understand you want to develop cheap youth but you don't want to purposely make room for marginal plauers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 I don't see why thats a bad thing, I understand you want to develop cheap youth but you don't want to purposely make room for marginal plauers. I feel a bit sorry for them, I think Belle would get ice time if not for the waivers regulation. Right now he fulfills the critical task of making Hamilton a winning team, they can't risk losing that unless they're 100% sure he can be a top-6 d-man at the NHL, which is impossible to prove without ... going through waivers. Carle had two concussions. Bad luck's a *****. From an organization standpoint, the only problem is the real threat we might choose the wrong guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Undecided I'm leaning towards " not improved " or " worse than last Year " I've seen 2 of the 4 games ( vs Leafs and Canucks ) and IMO the D looks slow, lost, and they are running aroun din their own end alot . Yea, I know it's early I'm still trying to understand the Spacek signing though . He looks really slow 35 yrs old and signed for 3 yrs They guy will be almost 40 Should have just kep Brisebois or Dandenault or heaven forbid signed one of those three D men that became UFA's the past three years at a reasonable price " before " they became UFA's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steph-Quintal-prevost Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I'm leaning towards " not improved " or " worse than last Year " I've seen 2 of the 4 games ( vs Leafs and Canucks ) and IMO the D looks slow, lost, and they are running aroun din their own end alot . Yea, I know it's early I'm still trying to understand the Spacek signing . He look really slow 35 yrs old for 3 yrs They guy will be almost 40 I have to agree, although Gill looks aweful at times....I have barely even notice Spacek out there, and that concerns me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiprusoffk Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I try to NOT think of them. It may keep my sanity in tact that way!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I try to NOT think of them. It may keep my sanity in tact that way!!! Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsessed Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Our defence has been steadily taking steps backwards over the past few offseasons and this past summer it took a giant leap backwards. There's no way that when Brisebois was getting it from the fans was he as bad as Gill is. Personally I don't see how Gill, Mara and Spacek are better than Brisebois, Bouillon, Komisarek and Dandenault and of course it doesn't help over the years letting good defencemen like Streit walk away without replacing him to kill our powerplay, at least when Souray left Hamrlik was brought in. Slowly but surely our defence was being depleted and now we've finally noticed when they can't even make the simplest of plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_mtl Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Sign Chelios ASAP! At 47 he's still twice as fast as Gill and Mara!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carey_Price Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Going back to the first few pages of people saying "we have more depth" "carey will finally have a good D"............yeah right. i felt so bad for him last night, send gill to the AHL where he belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_mtl Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Going back to the first few pages of people saying "we have more depth" "carey will finally have a good D"............yeah right. i felt so bad for him last night, send gill to the AHL where he belongs. What do you have against the AHL?!?! :lol: When you lose 7-1 and your goalie played a decent game you've got huge problems on D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 The biggest thing going for him this season... A better defensive core. our D has improved drastically from last year. Still think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habby67 Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 In my opinion, regardless of the system when defenders make fundamental mistakes, and glaring ones, they will continue to do so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Spacek will only be effective if playing with Markov and that isnt going to happen for the next 4 months, Mara is better than Bouillon lets be honest there but still nothing special, Gill is just brutal beyond words he doesnt use his size to punish so therefore uneffective. This D will struggle just as much as the guys lastyear only its different players, already this year the similarities are there in that they cant handle forecheck and cant make one pass out of the zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Still think so Well it's drastically worse without Markov, with Markov I'd still say this years is better then last years, on paper anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Well it's drastically worse without Markov, with Markov I'd still say this years is better then last years, on paper anyway. off topic but i had to say that i like your josh gorges avatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jst-onge Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Swiss Cheese. So many holes to fill. Markov can't be replaced we all know this so don't. Loosing O'Bynre as well ouch, he was playing top 4 minutes when he got hurt and playing well. He was using his size and making people play. you take any team in the league and remove 2 of their top 4 defence and they'r3e going to be hurting. These guys will have to adapt on move on. STOP GIVING THE PUCK AWAY IN YOUR OWN ZONE!!!!! That would be a good start, learn how to make a good pass because after all the puck moves faster, And most important learn how to punish people so they do not to be in the scoring areas.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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