sssfffs Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I really hope we sign kostopolous too. He was a cool guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losthab Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 me too, moen, kosto, greg stewart, if it meant we lose bgl so be it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koreysecord1992 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Pleased with this signing. He's young, gritty, and has got some size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NvidiaN Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I'm okay with this signing. I don't know why some people are so upset with the fact that we aren't giving our younger talent a chance to play...they played the majority of the last two seasons! Let them go to the minors and work on their skating, their shots, their size, etc. They got a huge taste of the big leagues last season, and they showed they needed work. Let them work! Bob got people who we can depend on NOW to play good hockey. If anyone he got doesn't perform, we can fill holes with our talent, but do so at a pace which we are comfortable with. You can't just throw 10 prospects into the NHL and expect them to be contenders. Use whoever is MOST ready, let the others develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 noboby takes a punch better than tommy the greek, he may not be the best fighter, but that boy is tough, no one ever said he had a glass jaw, like a certain big blond d that cries timber on one punch Your correct,,,,,he was the best punch taker i've ever seen. I loved his energy and game to game effort. I wouldnt have been upset to see him back but Moen i feel ( from what i've seen of him ) is a better option. I wasnt thrilled with the contract ( too long and too much for a role player), but i'll reserve judgement until i see what he brings to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownHabby Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Moen can fill the role played by Laraque and Kostopolous in one spot. He can drop 'em, and win more than TKO (All-time 0-36 record) : Skates faster and hits harder than TKO, and can be on the ice in any situation unlike BGL He also is able to find more willing opponents. Essentially, he should be able fill both their spots as 1 player. Good role player signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsideIggy Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Your correct,,,,,he was the best punch taker i've ever seen. I loved his energy and game to game effort. I wouldnt have been upset to see him back but Moen i feel ( from what i've seen of him ) is a better option. I wasnt thrilled with the contract ( too long and too much for a role player), but i'll reserve judgement until i see what he brings to the team. He is definitely worth it. The guy brings toughness and character to the dressing room. He was also a vital part to the shutdown line in Anaheim which helped them win a cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mandred Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I don't think anyone suggested they should get the spot handed to them. The problem is that those players that are able to earn a spot this year, might not get one no matter how hard they work or regardless of whether they deserve the opportunity. If we go through training camp, and it's obvious they aren't ready, sign someone then. If they are potentially ready, sign someone during the season if it turns out they aren't. Yeah sure lets sit on our thumbs and hope that our younger players will make it through training camp and be ready/skilled enough for the NHL while all the good free agents get signed by other teams. Great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinoCyber Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 With the rehaul that is happening, I wonder what kind of a bad vibe was in that locker room that BG saw last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamkennelly Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I bet the locker room was a disaster last year and that is prolly the only reason Saku is gone. He either was unable to get the team under control or contributed to the problems which were likely related to most of the team hating each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Yeah sure lets sit on our thumbs and hope that our younger players will make it through training camp and be ready/skilled enough for the NHL while all the good free agents get signed by other teams. Great idea. If I understand Ricochet correctly, he's saying that not giving our young players even an opportunity to win roster spots in training camp isn't good for the team. And I agree with him. Developing one's youth is key to being a strong team. What's the point of drafting players if we're going to keep them in the minors indefinitely and never give them a legitimate chance to crack the roster? I bet the locker room was a disaster last year and that is prolly the only reason Saku is gone. He either was unable to get the team under control or contributed to the problems which were likely related to most of the team hating each other. Do you have a source for any of this, or is it just random speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted July 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Do you have a source for any of this, or is it just random speculation? Since he said "I bet" I suspect it's random speculation but I would be curious to know Bob's reasons for basically not negotiating with some of our UFAs, some good players and if it's related to something he saw while coaching or just a desire to shake things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Since he said "I bet" I suspect it's random speculation but I would be curious to know Bob's reasons for basically not negotiating with some of our UFAs, some good players and if it's related to something he saw while coaching or just a desire to shake things up. From what I saw from Tanguay's agent quotes the other day, Bob basically said we want to pursure other options (which in clearer words mean better players, such as Cammalerri) and we may continue discussions after July 1st if things don't work out with the other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Since he said "I bet" I suspect it's random speculation but I would be curious to know Bob's reasons for basically not negotiating with some of our UFAs, some good players and if it's related to something he saw while coaching or just a desire to shake things up. Well, this is just my opinion, and not at all substantiated by any fact, but it looks like a panic move to me. Letting everyone go UFA at the same time while simultaneously draining your system of picks and prospects is a bad idea, because you are then forced to rebuild via free agency, which is always more expensive and less efficient than finding in-house solutions to your problems. This is Gainey trying to make up for his poor team-building by glutting our roster with UFA signings. I feel like we've become the New York Rangers, except with less high-end talent and more cap tied up in marginal players. If, after 5 years as GM, Gainey had to get behind the bench to figure out that he needed to make wholesale changes to the team he'd just endorsed one year earlier, he's even more inept as a GM than I already think he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Well, this is just my opinion, and not at all substantiated by any fact, but it looks like a panic move to me. Letting everyone go UFA at the same time while simultaneously draining your system of picks and prospects is a bad idea I'm curious when did Gainey drain the system of picks and prospects? You mean trading McDonaugh and that 1st rounder last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I'm curious when did Gainey drain the system of picks and prospects? You mean trading McDonaugh and that 1st rounder last year? McDonagh (1st-round pick) Higgins (1st-round pick) 1st-rounder for Tanguay Komisarek (1st-round pick) Perezhogin (1st-round pick) + the picks he surrendered to get Schneider. That's a lot of talent walking out the door for extremely short-term return or no return whatsoever. Which would be fine if we actually had players under contract at affordable prices, but when you burn those picks at the same time you let half your team go UFA, you are essentially forced to build your team via free agency (well, you could just promote your remaining prospects and let them develop, but we all know how Gainey feels about doing that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 McDonagh (1st-round pick) Higgins (1st-round pick) 1st-rounder for Tanguay Komisarek (1st-round pick) Perezhogin (1st-round pick) + the picks he surrendered to get Schneider. That's a lot of talent walking out the door for extremely short-term return or no return whatsoever. Which would be fine if we actually had players under contract at affordable prices, but when you burn those picks at the same time you let half your team go UFA, you are essentially forced to build your team via free agency (well, you could just promote your remaining prospects and let them develop, but we all know how Gainey feels about doing that). You said picks and prospects, asides from the 1st, the Schneider trade (in which the Habs got picks in return) and McD none of those fit the bill. 6000th post woohoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flunky Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 McDonagh (1st-round pick) Higgins (1st-round pick) 1st-rounder for Tanguay Komisarek (1st-round pick) Perezhogin (1st-round pick) + the picks he surrendered to get Schneider. That's a lot of talent walking out the door for extremely short-term return or no return whatsoever. Which would be fine if we actually had players under contract at affordable prices, but when you burn those picks at the same time you let half your team go UFA, you are essentially forced to build your team via free agency (well, you could just promote your remaining prospects and let them develop, but we all know how Gainey feels about doing that). Weeps, Allow me to expand on your point. Tanguay actually cost us a 1st and 2nd round pick, if you recall, while both Schneider and Lang cost us 2nd round picks respectively, so in fact we gave up a first and three seconds for three one-year rentals. At that rate, the cupboard will be bare within a couple of seasons. And Trevor Timmins will have walked out in disgust. PS: While you're at it, throw in Pavel Valentenko for good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 You said picks and prospects, asides from the 1st, the Schneider trade (in which the Habs got picks in return) and McD none of those fit the bill. 6000th post woohoo Sorry, my bad, I should have said picks and equivalents to picks. Mainly I am concerned about how we're wasting our 1st-round picks or players who were first-round picks. Our net gain from 1st-round picks -- whether in assets or in the players themselves remaining with us -- is pretty abysmal. And that's not even counting Chipchura, another 1st-rounder who can't even crack the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 That's a lot of talent walking out the door for extremely short-term return or no return whatsoever. Which would be fine if we actually had players under contract at affordable prices, but when you burn those picks at the same time you let half your team go UFA, you are essentially forced to build your team via free agency (well, you could just promote your remaining prospects and let them develop, but we all know how Gainey feels about doing that). That's what worries me. Since the lockout it hasn't worked for any teams, not sure I can suddenly start thinking it will work for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketPower Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Moen can fill the role played by Laraque and Kostopolous in one spot. He can drop 'em, and win more than TKO (All-time 0-36 record) : Skates faster and hits harder than TKO, and can be on the ice in any situation unlike BGL He also is able to find more willing opponents. Essentially, he should be able fill both their spots as 1 player. Good role player signing. Great signing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_leafs_go11 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 That's what worries me. Since the lockout it hasn't worked for any teams, not sure I can suddenly start thinking it will work for us. Actually Id like to make the argument that Boston was able to rebuild their core via Free Agency. Savard, Chara, Ryder, Wheeler. They made a trade for Wideman. Sure they had a few players they drafted that stepped up but they were able to manufacture a new core. Of course the way were doing it ins't EXACTLY like them, but they didn't follow anyone elses model either. The point is that a team with a good core and satisified players, under a good system, will work no matter how you built it. I say give it a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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