franck5890 Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 http://canadiens.nhl.com/team/app?page=Pla...age&tab=prf Position: Defenceman Shoots: Left Height: 6' 2" Weight: 215 Born: 12 Apr '74 Born in: Zlin, Czech Republic Drafted: Tampa Bay's 1st round choice, 1st overall, in 1992 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Aww... no love for the Hammer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Aww... no love for the Hammer? why would there be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alzimutg Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 why would there be He played great in 2007-2008 and is a big reason why the Habs finished first that year. But people do have short memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74Kos-yn-31Price Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Agreed... one poor season and Hammer is expendable... its a joke really... he was a key on our defense 2 years ago... even after komisareks poor season last year he was a top priority on a few teams list this summer... If GMs treated players like most of these fans, We would see the same number of changes every year as we did last year... Settle down people, Hammer is a very good reliable defenseman... He will bounce back to be an important part of our team like he was two seasons ago.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 He played great in 2007-2008 and is a big reason why the Habs finished first that year. But people do have short memories. He does happen to be on the wrong side of 35 though, so a bounce back to that level is pretty unlikely. I do think paired with Markov as a stay at home, shutdown "responsible" guy he may thrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habcore Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Agreed... one poor season and Hammer is expendable... its a joke really... he was a key on our defense 2 years ago... even after komisareks poor season last year he was a top priority on a few teams list this summer... If GMs treated players like most of these fans, We would see the same number of changes every year as we did last year... Settle down people, Hammer is a very good reliable defenseman... He will bounce back to be an important part of our team like he was two seasons ago.... Hammer's fine the only reason people suggested he's expendable was the size of his contract. Nothing to do with his play, hes a reliable solid vet. Glad to have him still with us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 People really do have like the tiniest memory ever, when Hammer was out of our line up remember how poor we did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmerpuck Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 He does happen to be on the wrong side of 35 though, so a bounce back to that level is pretty unlikely. I do think paired with Markov as a stay at home, shutdown "responsible" guy he may thrive. I can't argue he's on the wrong side of 35 because I am too and further along the "wrong side". LOL But I don't think it's too far fetched that he could return to 2007 - 2008, 1st half of 2009 form. I've said this before but Hamrlik was the best D-man stats wise for the month of February and it really wasn't close. However his name was dragged through the mud so I think any mistake he made was magnified because amongst many fans there was/is a perception he was/is a "bad" guy. His play suffered the last couple of months but why? Was it just age? An undermanned defence? Or was it the as speculated broken foot? Or was he preoccupied with trying to rebuild a reputation? I don't know the answers but if his health was compromised and now he's healed with a clear mind I give him a decent chance to return to 2007 - 2008 form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 He played great in 2007-2008 and is a big reason why the Habs finished first that year. But people do have short memories. ya he did play great that year, finished first? did we win the cup that year? last year he was awful, simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alzimutg Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 ya he did play great that year, finished first? did we win the cup that year? last year he was awful, simple I know he was awful last season. The point was that we should not base our opion of a player on one season. Who had a great season for us last year, other than Markov? And we did finish first two seasons ago, like it or not. Only one team wins the cup each year. You had no point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 last year he was awful, simple I 100%, completely, disagree. Last year he was not "awful." - I think most anyone who saw him play the whole season saw him play better than: Komisarek, Gorges, Boullion, Dandenault, Brisebois, Obyrne - and anyone on our roster NOT named Markov. The problem was not that he was "awful" the problem was that he was nowhere NEAR good enough to be a true top-three defensman, which is what he is being paid as. Had he been making $3m a year last season & played the way he did we would have said he was playing up to his contract. As it was, he was poor value & had an off season. His poor (by his standards) season was exacerbated by the fact that Komisarek was even worse so now instead of having a true top 3 we had markov & a bunch of #4-6 defensmen. I have full confidence you're going to see him thrive this year with a much better playing partner & a better overall coaching system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicalhab Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 I 100%, completely, disagree. Last year he was not "awful." - I think most anyone who saw him play the whole season saw him play better than: Komisarek, Gorges, Boullion, Dandenault, Brisebois, Obyrne - and anyone on our roster NOT named Markov. The problem was not that he was "awful" the problem was that he was nowhere NEAR good enough to be a true top-three defensman, which is what he is being paid as. Had he been making $3m a year last season & played the way he did we would have said he was playing up to his contract. As it was, he was poor value & had an off season. His poor (by his standards) season was exacerbated by the fact that Komisarek was even worse so now instead of having a true top 3 we had markov & a bunch of #4-6 defensmen. I have full confidence you're going to see him thrive this year with a much better playing partner & a better overall coaching system. He was absolutely awful in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 I 100%, completely, disagree. Last year he was not "awful." - I think most anyone who saw him play the whole season saw him play better than: Komisarek, Gorges, Boullion, Dandenault, Brisebois, Obyrne - and anyone on our roster NOT named Markov. The problem was not that he was "awful" the problem was that he was nowhere NEAR good enough to be a true top-three defensman, which is what he is being paid as. Had he been making $3m a year last season & played the way he did we would have said he was playing up to his contract. As it was, he was poor value & had an off season. His poor (by his standards) season was exacerbated by the fact that Komisarek was even worse so now instead of having a true top 3 we had markov & a bunch of #4-6 defensmen. I have full confidence you're going to see him thrive this year with a much better playing partner & a better overall coaching system. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamesgal1 Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 I don't know while people are complaing about hammer last season. The team as a whole was terrible it effected everybody. He led all defensman on our team including Markov in even strength points and most posters feel markov should have been there for a norris trophy canidate. Sheesh. I am sure if Hammer had 5 minutes of pp time as opposed to 1 minute of pp time per game his numbers would be even higher. I not comparing the two ..I know Markov has much better vison on the ice. However Hammer 27 even strengh points, Markov 24 even strengh points Hammer + 4, Markov -2..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianMike Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 I think we need to look past his (HIGH salary). Hope he has a good season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 I think we need to look past his (HIGH salary). Hope he has a good season. Tough to look beyond that kind of salary but it is what it is and it can't be changed now. I don't think we'll see him be the kind of player he was in 07-08, he's at that age but at the sametime I think in the right situation he'll be a lot better than he was last season. I don't know if it's likely but I think we should try and Markov - Hamrlik pairing. Roman can worry about his own end and now with the veteran depth we've added we don't need Markov and Roman to be babysitting kids who aren't quite ready. A Spacek Mara 2nd unit would be fine, similar situation with Mara as the stay at home guy and I like the idea of a Gorges Gill 3rd pairing a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Game two/pre-season and still no Hamrlik in the line-up? So what's up here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Game two/pre-season and still no Hamrlik in the line-up? So what's up here... I believe he's under the weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebrynson Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 hes not bad at all but nowhere near a 5 million dollar player... it would be nice to trade him and clear up some cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 its gonna be a painful start to the season for him if tonight was any indication, playing one camp game isnt a recipe for success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 its gonna be a painful start to the season for him if tonight was any indication, playing one camp game isnt a recipe for success He definitely needs a few games to get his timing back. The good news is that with Spacek in the fold, we should be able to manage Roman's minutes until he's ready to take on more of a workload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmerpuck Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 He definitely needs a few games to get his timing back. The good news is that with Spacek in the fold, we should be able to manage Roman's minutes until he's ready to take on more of a workload. How much more of a workload are we planning on giving him? He played more minutes than anyone else on the ice, okay except for the goaltenders. He played more ES and SH minutes combined than anyone else. Looked to me like Martin was trying to shake as much rust off of Hammer as he could in one night. Hamrlik wasn't stellar but I'd give him a lot of credit on Laps' goal. He played plenty of minutes on the PK too and those units had a perfect average. Oh.............and Markov didn't play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 How much more of a workload are we planning on giving him? He played more minutes than anyone else on the ice, okay except for the goaltenders. He played more ES and SH minutes combined than anyone else. Looked to me like Martin was trying to shake as much rust off of Hammer as he could in one night. Hamrlik wasn't stellar but I'd give him a lot of credit on Laps' goal. He played plenty of minutes on the PK too and those units had a perfect average. Oh.............and Markov didn't play! But this proves my point. Roman will not be playing big minutes like this regularly because Markov will be in the lineup. Martin has also said he wants to spread the ice time fairly evenly across our D corps. So Roman will have less of a workload, at least initially, and therefore plenty of time in which to get his groove back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmerpuck Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 But this proves my point. Roman will not be playing big minutes like this regularly because Markov will be in the lineup. Martin has also said he wants to spread the ice time fairly evenly across our D corps. So Roman will have less of a workload, at least initially, and therefore plenty of time in which to get his groove back. <shrug> The way your post was worded led me to believe he played say 17 minutes last night and his workload would increase from there. He didn't play 25 + minutes last year I don't think unless there was an injury(s) and granted that was a lot. Even so his average TOI was about 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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