Snow4Habs Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 10 yrs, at the end of this year means he would end his contract at 42 (like Pronger!). It would be nice to see habs uppermanagement use this loop-hole. Clearly, it will be plugged when the new CBA is signed so we should realistically get a few players under these ludacris deals that would keep our cap situation reasonable. Heck, I'd give'm 45M for 15 years and make sure he gave us the good ol' hand shake that he'll retire between 38-40! That's what I'm saying, it wouldn't hurt us in cap world but it would benefit us if we ever want to be a playoff contender for many years. I just don't like a 5 year deals, I would've giving Pleky 8year/36m. I'd still give Markov the contract, given he still had a year of bad luck injuries. He got nasty cut at the beginning of the regular season and got injured at the beginning of the 2nd round. So what? Only flaw he has is that he's injury prone. I would much prefer him to be a cap hit of 4.25m long term instead of 7m short term. Yes maybe 10 years is too much considering his injuries, but I still want to see Markov and Subban on the powerplay for seasons to come instead of someone who's in their mid 20's about to reach their prime. And considering we might draft a russian at this friday's draft. Markov is our best player when he's healthy, he still had 34 points in 45 games. And I don't think Price will cut in 2 years in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 "Andrei is doing well. How long he’s going to miss early in the year, maybe nothing. He’s a very fast healer and hard worker. He wants to play right away we’ll see, but, you know, he might also have to miss a little bit. That’s something our doctors and medical staff will be able to evaluate later in the summer." ~ Pierre Gauthier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow4Habs Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 "Andrei is doing well. How long he’s going to miss early in the year, maybe nothing. He’s a very fast healer and hard worker. He wants to play right away we’ll see, but, you know, he might also have to miss a little bit. That’s something our doctors and medical staff will be able to evaluate later in the summer." ~ Pierre Gauthier Sounds good to me, maybe we'll have a full roster this season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Win-the-cup Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 Sounds good to me, maybe we'll have a full roster this season! Not a chance. So long as this team so heavily relies on it's small players to score the majority of it's goals.....as the season progresses....the accumulated hits these guys get will lead to injuries. Small players need talented big guys on their line to ride shotgun. This team doesn't have that. Markov has loads of talent......but if the team is ACTUALLY looking to the long run......trading him in return for high draft choices would probably do the team well in the long run and at the bottom line....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafsDog Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 I don't know if I can trust danslescoulisses, nut they say Markov could be back at training camp. http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en...A_en%26prmd%3Dv (I translated it into english, summer isn't the time to be reading/speaking French) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow4Habs Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 The faster, the better we can translate his 5.7m contract into points. We'll need him for a full season, hopefully this will be the season he'll won't get injured.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 I don't know if I can trust danslescoulisses, nut they say Markov could be back at training camp. http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en...A_en%26prmd%3Dv (I translated it into english, summer isn't the time to be reading/speaking French) Read my quote from Pierre Gauthier a few posts up Edit: danslescoulisses is a website of the hockeybuzz.com type, in other words, a rumors blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean-Counting-Hab Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Read my quote from Pierre Gauthier a few posts up Yes I saw that when you first posted it and though obviously not a guarantee it's a really exciting posibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Yes I saw that when you first posted it and though obviously not a guarantee it's a really exciting posibility. any date markov himself advances, we should safely add 2-3 more weeks. he wanted to play the centennial game last december Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianzy Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Heck, I'd give'm 45M for 15 years and make sure he gave us the good ol' hand shake that he'll retire between 38-40! Thats the worst case scenario.. when a player retires, the team is still on the hook for the cap hit. No team wants to pay players to sit at home instead of putting towards guys actually on the ice.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Thats the worst case scenario.. when a player retires, the team is still on the hook for the cap hit. No team wants to pay players to sit at home instead of putting towards guys actually on the ice.. isn't this rule only for players who sign at, or passed 35 y/o? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 isn't this rule only for players who sign at, or passed 35 y/o? Yes, it's for 35 and over contracts. With that said signing a 31-32 year old to a 15 year contract would surely get investigated by the NHL. Also on him "giving us a handshake" there's no way to enforce so we'd basically be at his mercy with 7-8 years left on his contract at a significant cap hit. Very risky, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Yes, it's for 35 and over contracts. With that said signing a 31-32 year old to a 15 year contract would surely get investigated by the NHL. Also on him "giving us a handshake" there's no way to enforce so we'd basically be at his mercy with 7-8 years left on his contract at a significant cap hit. Very risky, lol. oh that's for sure, i just wanted to be certain i had the rule correctly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Unfortunately, I'm afraid Markov is going to be a risk either way. I know the injury that happened with Price was a freak accident, but he is starting to pile up the lower body injuries. It would be great if we resign him during the coming season to an extension and he goes on to have minimal injuries. Realistically, I think the 2 injuries we've seen this past season may be a sign of things to come. If it wasn't for the cap, I'd be on the "resign Markov" bandwagon. I'll say what I said before the playoffs ended... Maybe it's time to see what we can get for him, while he still has value. I'm afraid another long term injury and he'll be harder to move than Souray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianzy Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Ahh, i forgot about the 35+ part, thanks for the reminder. Yes, better...but as mentioned, the is also the natural risk incurred when you sign a player to that long a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamesgal1 Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 ya i have 2 actually Do you have two because your 1/2hr behind in NFL ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Unfortunately, I'm afraid Markov is going to be a risk either way. I know the injury that happened with Price was a freak accident, but he is starting to pile up the lower body injuries. It would be great if we resign him during the coming season to an extension and he goes on to have minimal injuries. Realistically, I think the 2 injuries we've seen this past season may be a sign of things to come. If it wasn't for the cap, I'd be on the "resign Markov" bandwagon. I'll say what I said before the playoffs ended... Maybe it's time to see what we can get for him, while he still has value. I'm afraid another long term injury and he'll be harder to move than Souray. Markov is only 31 years old and had no injury history prior to his recent injuries. I have said in the past that I would like him extended or traded this summer, but upon further evaluation, I'll recant that statement, as the injury situation muddies the waters both ways. However, if we assume a December return for Andrei, I do want him either extended or traded by the Feb. trade deadline. By then, we should know whether we want him in our long-term plans or not. However, I have a feeling that if we're in any kind of playoff race, he'll stay past the deadline, at which point we'll likely be having these same talks one year from now, on this same day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Markov is only 31 years old and had no injury history prior to his recent injuries. I have said in the past that I would like him extended or traded this summer, but upon further evaluation, I'll recant that statement, as the injury situation muddies the waters both ways. However, if we assume a December return for Andrei, I do want him either extended or traded by the Feb. trade deadline. By then, we should know whether we want him in our long-term plans or not. However, I have a feeling that if we're in any kind of playoff race, he'll stay past the deadline, at which point we'll likely be having these same talks one year from now, on this same day. I'd be OK with Markie's situation being handled the way Pleki's was i.e. some talks during the season so that both parties have an idea of what the other is looking for and if things look like they can work, negociate the terms of the contract right after the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 I'd be OK with Markie's situation being handled the way Pleki's was i.e. some talks during the season so that both parties have an idea of what the other is looking for and if things look like they can work, negociate the terms of the contract right after the season. Markov is already making significant money, it shouldn't be too much more to lock him up, it's not like we'll have to go from 900,000 to 6.5 mill and we have guys coming off the books potentially next summer (Hamrlik, Kostitsyn, Gill ect.) If Markov still wants to be a Hab it shouldn't be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Markov is already making significant money, it shouldn't be too much more to lock him up, it's not like we'll have to go from 900,000 to 6.5 mill and we have guys coming off the books potentially next summer (Hamrlik, Kostitsyn, Gill ect.) If Markov still wants to be a Hab it shouldn't be an issue. Agreed. I think something will work out amicably with Andrei. Either he will be resigned with Montreal or traded prior to the summer of 2011. He has negotiated with us fairly on his previous deal, so I see no reason to assume he would not do the same now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean-Counting-Hab Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Agreed. I think something will work out amicably with Andrei. Either he will be resigned with Montreal or traded prior to the summer of 2011. He has negotiated with us fairly on his previous deal, so I see no reason to assume he would not do the same now. Especially if he thinks the team is turning the corner. Whether the ECF appearance last year was a fluke or not, it must have made Markov hungry to play when he had to watch his team go on that run without him. CRB alluded to a Pleks situation where there were discussions before the deadline and then a deal was hammered out during the summer; I agree with her this is the most likely way things go down with Markov. And frankly, I think a 5 year $30M deal can get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Yes, it's for 35 and over contracts. With that said signing a 31-32 year old to a 15 year contract would surely get investigated by the NHL. Also on him "giving us a handshake" there's no way to enforce so we'd basically be at his mercy with 7-8 years left on his contract at a significant cap hit. Very risky, lol. Obviously what I'm about to say is stupid, but theoretically what would happen if you signed a guy to, say, a 25 year contract with a $500,000 salary for the last 15 years? (Hey, Gordie Howe played that long ) Is there actually anything the NHL could do? Do any of our resident CBA buffs know if there's something in writing that says a contract must be reasonable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Obviously what I'm about to say is stupid, but theoretically what would happen if you signed a guy to, say, a 25 year contract with a $500,000 salary for the last 15 years? (Hey, Gordie Howe played that long ) Is there actually anything the NHL could do? Do any of our resident CBA buffs know if there's something in writing that says a contract must be reasonable? you may want to ask your (very good) question in a more general thread too. our 'resident capologists' will not necessarily visit here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Obviously what I'm about to say is stupid, but theoretically what would happen if you signed a guy to, say, a 25 year contract with a $500,000 salary for the last 15 years? (Hey, Gordie Howe played that long ) Is there actually anything the NHL could do? Do any of our resident CBA buffs know if there's something in writing that says a contract must be reasonable? I seem to remember reading somewhere that the NHL closed that loophole awhile back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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