ChiLla Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 This is going to be a long winter ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I'm afraid you're right. We have no one to replace this guy on the ice. Unless Gainey trades for Chara or Lindstrom then we are in serious trouble. We're definitely in a better position then last year with Spacek who's quite good but still not even on the same level. We were likely a fringe team to begin with so this loss could and likely will push us out of the top 8 IMO. And for the record, really in today's NHL even 5th place in the Conference makes you a fringe team, because you're likely no more then 5-6 points from 9th. So even if people thought we would finish 4-5th in the East, does Markov missing 4 months cost us 4-5 games? If so, that would still likely push us out of the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I showed this before the year when Jed was discussing the impact of a #1 dman and what it means to a team, but losing Markov over the course of the year for Montreal is equivalnt to about 10-11 points off the standings, prorate that over his current time out. So essentially if you projected the Habs to have around 98 points, turn that into 93. 100 becomes 95. 95 becomes 90 and etc. Not good news. We're definitely in a better position then last year with Spacek who's quite good but still not even on the same level. We were likely a fringe team to begin with so this loss could and likely will push us out of the top 8 IMO. And for the record, really in today's NHL even 5th place in the Conference makes you a fringe team, because you're likely no more then 5-6 points from 9th. So even if people thought we would finish 4-5th in the East, does Markov missing 4 months cost us 4-5 games? If so, that would still likely push us out of the playoffs. Not 4-5 games, I would say 3-4 if its 4 months, no idea what the prognosis is, I heard 3-4 didn't hear if they were leaning in any one direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_mtl Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Look at the bright side. Weber gets a chance to prove himself and Markov will be fresh for the playoffs. It's sucks, but no team's success should be dependent on one player...no the Habs have to prove they can win without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brazinrasin Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 This is some seriously cruel karma. We sneak out of the ACC with a win we didn't deserve but it comes at a HUGE cost. It was such a harmless-looking play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 This is funny on so many levels! Opening night injuries! Out 3-4 months and possibly career ending! Can anyone say Robert Lang!! funny? you sure have one twisted sense of humor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Look at the bright side. Weber gets a chance to prove himself and Markov will be fresh for the playoffs. It's sucks, but no team's success should be dependent on one player...no the Habs have to prove they can win without him. You're right... But us playing without Markov is pretty bad. Remember the end of last season? Ugh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 funny? you sure have one twisted sense of humor... CRB do you need a hug? Maybe ice cream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 funny? you sure have one twisted sense of humor... Yeah no kidding. I can think of a lot of ways to describe this and "funny" isn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekHockeyCoach Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Look at the bright side. Weber gets a chance to prove himself and Markov will be fresh for the playoffs. It's sucks, but no team's success should be dependent on one player...no the Habs have to prove they can win without him. If last year is any indication then we're seriously screwed. When Markie went down we weren't able to win. New year however and different players but this really hurts on all levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristinoem7 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Yeah no kidding. I can think of a lot of ways to describe this and "funny" isn't one of them. Agreed. Lot's of negative feedback for that original post so I think it's safe to say...let's just ignore that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briangbv Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 You're right... But us playing without Markov is pretty bad. Remember the end of last season? Ugh... I remember, but TSN had to report the numbers just to drive home how terrible this loss is. From TSN "Montreal is 7-20 with Markov out of the line-up." OUCH. I seriously feel sick to my stomach, like this team is cursed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellows_mtl Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 No Markov = No playoffs. Of all our players, he is the only guy we cannot afford to have injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafer4lifer1 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 These will be the worst 4 months of my life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rygar Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Yeah no kidding. I can think of a lot of ways to describe this and "funny" isn't one of them. He probably meant funny, just not 'ha-ha' funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catt-_mtlc Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 This is really bad news. If this team falls apart due to the loss of 1 player even if it is Markov then it wasn't a very strong team to begin with. I really do believe we're cursed also, ever since the Roy trade / Houle era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astroboy Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Markov's injury = terrible beyond words can express. I don't think it means no play-offs for Habs, but rest of the D will have to step it up big time. Oh my, it really was dearly paid victory yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 He probably meant funny, just not 'ha-ha' funny... Judging by his name (ReHabs) and some of his other posts I'm guessing he's actually a fan of another team just on the forum to bug everyone. Seems it's worked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 This is really bad news. If this team falls apart due to the loss of 1 player even if it is Markov then it wasn't a very strong team to begin with. Well teams are so close in East these days that the difference between having home ice in the first round and completely missing the playoffs is maybe as low as 4 wins. Granted, injuries happen to all teams but this is obviously an exceptionally devastating injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear-Cove-Hab Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 you want to look for a positive in any of this? It means our team's Defense is going to have to step up. Maybe it will bring out the best in all of the, but from what I saw last night (small sample size I know) our defense was the biggest problem.......Price and Halak are going to have to channel some of those old ghost if we're even going to be in the running for the playoffs by the time he's back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babinator77 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I'm afraid you're right. We have no one to replace this guy on the ice. Unless Gainey trades for Chara or Lindstrom then we are in serious trouble. a panic trade would hurt us even more. brother. what happens now? weber? good grief. i hope we play this out for a bit and see how the team does. if it's a disaster than we might have to lose halak. this is bad on so many levels. (i'm one big sad face today.) you want to look for a positive in any of this? It means our team's Defense is going to have to step up. Maybe it will bring out the best in all of the, but from what I saw last night (small sample size I know) our defense was the biggest problem.......Price and Halak are going to have to channel some of those old ghost if we're even going to be in the running for the playoffs by the time he's back price has to redeem himself somehow... (jokes. i know it was an accident but still...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Last night the Habs opened the year with a thrilling 4-3 overtime win over the rival Toronto Maple Leafs. The end result was a positive, but one event that occured during the course of the game is one that really makes me wish for a do-over Thursday night. Perennial All-Star defenseman went down and was helped off the ice after accidentally getting into a collision with goaltender Carey Price, where the goalies skate approaches Markov's ankle/skate region and apparently cut deep into the flesh. I'm no doctor, but having played hockey a while, you kinda need that whole ankle/foot region to be 100%. I'm surprised they haven't called torn ankles the Howie Morenz yet. My pal Gab Desjardins over at Behindthenet did an analysis during the summer over the point loss in the standings of losing a top pairing defenseman. The result was 8.66 points over 82 games. However thats for all thirty-two teams and their number one and number two defensman respectively. Andrei Markov is more than a number two defenseman, and much better than an average number one. Markov was 6th last year in PC at 89 (over 82 games that prorates to 94). In 07-08 he was 9th with 83 In 06-07 he was 25th with a 73 (over 82 games that prorates to 77). So over the last 3 years, according to Player Contribution, Markov was worth 8.55 points per year on average. Again that does not correlate to Gab Desjardin's findings mainly because of the flaws in PC. What it does illustrate in the seperation Markov has from other defenseman in the league, he is a bonafide top 10 in the NHL. Losing him is monstrous, using logic and the numbers illustrated above, I would make a estimate that Andrei Markov is equivalent over the course of a league year to about 10-12 points off the standings to the Montreal Canadiens. Now hes not out the whole year, the prognosiss is 3-4 months. However due to the Olympic break that means a huge surplus of games in that time span. Using the median of that time frame, 3.5 months, Andrei Markov will be out approximately until Mid-January. In that span, the Habs play 47 games until their January 16th match vs Ottawa. 47 games is 57% of the season, use the median of my estimate which is 11 points lost on the standings without Markov for a full year, means the Habs will lose 6.3 points due to this injury. For a team that was probably going to hover around the 5th-8th place range comes years end, this all but spells the end to the Habs playoff hopes. While its still possible, the chances are very fringe. http://hockproject.blogspot.com/2009/10/th...ng-to-hurt.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus123 Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 i just read the news, as everyone can say, this is terrible and worst case scenario! I hope Spacek can step up and help us, hopefully Hamrlik too, i'd bring up Subban right now we remember how bad it was last year when he got injured, hopefully we can still win some games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 CRB do you need a hug? Maybe ice cream nah, just need to get the heck out of this office ... then vodka should help, until tomorrow anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_mtl Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 You're right... But us playing without Markov is pretty bad. Remember the end of last season? Ugh... That was the old "us". Consider that this is a different team, with many different players, and I think a much better collective attitude. I refuse to be the typical Habs fan and cry "the sky is falling". Markov is a great player, but he's just one player. If this team has as much character as I hope they do, someone or many someones will step up in his absence. To read on here that "we're screwed" makes me shake my head at Habs fans. IT'S GAME ONE!!! SETTLE DOWN...HAVE A LITTLE FAITH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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