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Ive said it before & i'll say it again: Halak cannot possibly have enough value to another team - as he does to ours - to warrant a trade on his own.

Meaning, he's worth more to us as a prospect than another team will give up to get him.

Include him in a deal, fine, you might get some return, but if this is true & Chicago wants him, the best you're likely to get, straight up, from them is maybe - maybe - Hjalmarsson or Sopel. Personally, Id rather keep a guy who could, if necessary, step into the number 1 role if Carey falters, than move him for yet another 3rd pairing defensman.

This is not even taking into account that Halak's cap hit is $0.775m - not much room for return salary considering how close we are to the cap ceiling already.

Now, if Chicago was SO interested in Halak they would take, say:

Halak & Hamrlik ($6.25m)

for

Duncan Keith ($1.45m)

Then yes, Id do the deal of course. Upgrade at D - and we shed enough salary to sign at least 1 or 2 more good quality UFA or trade for or enough wiggle room for a trade for another top 6...but it ain't happening IMHO.

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i really don't beleive this rumor, Eklund is really full of it!

If the blackhawks really want halak which makes sense, they could trade sharp, (another one of Eklunds rumors a while ago)

the problem is , im not too sure of how blackhawks look at halak, in our case hes pretty much our savior bringing us into the playoffs, but then the blackhawks who have heut at 6 million and stars from the blue line- up. I think that the blackhawks would offer the habs a 3rd d-men or somthing like that.

I wouldnt make the deal, if i were gainey

I'd rather keep halak and make him help out carey next season in case of any problems than add another 3rd d-men, i rather look for a forward, getting sharp would be great with pleks and cammalleri

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With Markov, Hamrlik, Gorges, O'Byrne, Spacek, Gill and Mara (7 NHL defenceman) under contract, Carle, Weber, Belle and Subban (4 more) developing on the farm, and '06 1st rounder David Fisher on the way soon, why in the world would we want another defenseman, even if Chicago had one to offer?

We need more forwards, or to be more specific, we need big forwards.

IMO, we should be looking at Dustin Byfuglien (pronounced BUF-LIN).

He's a young 6'3", 250 pound winger with a lot of upside.

In the past two seasons, he has compiled 67 pts in 144 games (0.47 pts./gm.avg.) with an even +/- rating, and could turn into a legitimate power forward.

The only drawback is his salary, which at $3mil is a little steep for his current contribution, but if he continues to develop, that salary may prove to be a bargain in the near future.

Plus, he's from Minnesota, Gainey's favourite prospect hunting grounds, and home to such Hab prospects as David Fischer, Andrew Conboy, JT Wyman, Danny Kristo, Joe Stejskal and former Hab-to-be Ryan McDonagh, so he'll feel right at home.

Other possible fits: Troy Brouwer or Bryan Bickell, both big, young forward prospects.

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Now, if Chicago was SO interested in Halak they would take, say:

Halak & Hamrlik ($6.25m)

for

Duncan Keith ($1.45m)

Then yes, Id do the deal of course. Upgrade at D - and we shed enough salary to sign at least 1 or 2 more good quality UFA or trade for or enough wiggle room for a trade for another top 6...but it ain't happening IMHO.

Oh goodness that would be awesome! :lol::D

Chances of it happening... Like you probably already know: Less than zero!

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Oh goodness that would be awesome! :lol::D

Chances of it happening... Like you probably already know: Less than zero!

Can you imagine the Blackhawks giving up an underpaid, rising star defenseman for an overpaid, aging defenseman and a backup goalie.

Jedi's Bogarting again!

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Disclaimer: I'd prefer the Habs start the season with what they have and see what shakes out but for the sake of entertainment:

To Chicago:

0.775 Halak

2.750 Pleks

3.525

To: Montreal

0.643 Hjalmarsson

3.900 Sharp

4.543

Chicago frees some cap space. Maybe throw Gorges in the deal. That frees some cap space for the Habs and allows Chicago to maybe trade one of those higher priced D-men. It's easier to upgrade Gorges than the guy's name starting with an H.

We can buy time to trade the guy's name starting with an H. Pleks is UFA which will help Chicago and their cap and we are stuck with Sharp. LOL

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IF there is a trade...and by that I mean there WON"T BE!!!

but if there is and it includes a defenceman, we need a right handed shot!

that leaves Seabrook and Sopel.

to Chi

SK

Halak

1st rd 2010 (supposedly a weak draft class)

to Mtl

Seabrook (3.5M)

Akim Aliu (875K)

We'd be able to just fit Seabrook under the cap with the savings from SK and Halak gone (about 175K difference between him and Sanford) and the remaining cap space we had prior to (if we move the bonus cushion to next season) and we are hard up to the cap!

here's the write up on Aliu at hockey futures:

"Aliu has all the characteristics of your prototypical power forward - big and puck sense. "

"Aliu has been compared to the likes of Shayne Corson. He owns all of the necessary skills to be a prolific power forward but has to show better discipline if his potential is going to be realized. "

Aliu is a project, but having a very gifted C who is already very large (6'2'' 207lbs) and still growing, he'd be worth grooming in Hamilton. Eventually evolving into a 2nd line C. I've seen him play in Sudbury and Foligno loves this kid! He protects the puck well and has great shot and release, his skating is a little choppy but is improving year by year.

And our Defence with Seabrook would be amazing

Markov - Seabrook

Spacek - Mara

Gorges - Gill

Weber/O'Byrne

That's a lineup that all but guarantees a great season out of Price.

Bottom line

That's the only trade I'd make with Chicago for a Dman...but honestly...NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!

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so what is it now? a 6 way deal between Chicago, San Jose, Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal and Boston?

no way Chicago wants another young goalie. When Huet is done leading them to two Stanley cups after hsi 5 year contract ends, they have Crawford and the other guy who's name I can't remember..Niemi? Chicago is set in their goaltending position for the next 10 years. Huet will mentor these kids and get them ready for the NHL...like he would have done for Price; but uncle Bob said no!

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Ive said it before & i'll say it again: Halak cannot possibly have enough value to another team - as he does to ours - to warrant a trade on his own.

Meaning, he's worth more to us as a prospect than another team will give up to get him.

Include him in a deal, fine, you might get some return, but if this is true & Chicago wants him, the best you're likely to get, straight up, from them is maybe - maybe - Hjalmarsson or Sopel. Personally, Id rather keep a guy who could, if necessary, step into the number 1 role if Carey falters, than move him for yet another 3rd pairing defensman.

This is not even taking into account that Halak's cap hit is $0.775m - not much room for return salary considering how close we are to the cap ceiling already.

Now, if Chicago was SO interested in Halak they would take, say:

Halak & Hamrlik ($6.25m)

for

Duncan Keith ($1.45m)

Then yes, Id do the deal of course. Upgrade at D - and we shed enough salary to sign at least 1 or 2 more good quality UFA or trade for or enough wiggle room for a trade for another top 6...but it ain't happening IMHO.

I like the way you think.

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I think alot of people gotta get over this dream, that we are going to be unloading Hammer and his contract, every time there is a trade rumor.

Its not a 'dream' - like Rocket, Id actually rather keep Hamrlik than most trade proposals Ive heard. That said, if you have to clear money off the boards (which is necessary to make most deals based on our current cap) then you need to look at who you pay the most:

Gomez, 7.357

Cammalleri 6.000

Gionta 5.000

Kostitsyn 3.250

Markov 5.750

Hamrlik 5.500

Spacek 3.833

Cammy, Gionta & Spacek are basically "untradeable" because if you signed a player & then turned around & traded him, the chances of you getting anyone halfway decent to EVER sign with you again would be slim to none. It would be suicide for a GM.

Gomez is also nigh untradeable because at least 1 high profile UFA said he was a major reason they signed here. Technically you could - but you just wouldnt.

That leaves Markov (we will NEVER willingly let him go, MMW) Kostitsyn (too young, too much potential & the cheapest guy on the list) and Hamrlik.

Hamrlik is the odd man out. Its the main reason people even mention his name, NOT because of on-ice performance, which I expect will be very solid this year.

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