brazinrasin Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 I don't like it. I've seen enough of prospal over the years. He is very much a product of playing with Vinny and St.Louis, especially on the powerplay. Aside from a 25 game stint with Philly after being a deadline acquisition, Prospal has never proved he can put up points without elite linemates. Last year he managed just 45 points in 82 games playing on Tampa's second line. There is no way this team can surround him with the caliber of linemates he needs to be successful. I'd give the spot to a youngster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Please no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsinottawa Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 thegoalcrease.com is reporting that the contract offer was mis-reported as 2mil, and is actually a bit less than that. If it is a one year deal for less than 2mil, it gives Patches some time to develop, and gives a little bit of veteran experience. Under those circumstances, I think its not a bad idea at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vive-latendresse Posted August 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 And according to TheGoalCrease too, the only rumor that will be true is that one... He's sure that Prospal will sign with the Canadiens and that it will be done soon! Prospal, I reported that the Canadiens offered a 2 Million dollar contract a couple of days ago. I am now hearing it may have been a little less from a different source. I also believe this will be done and he will be a Canadien. This is there top 6 forward they need and he will be a perfect fit in my opinion http://www.thegoalcrease.com/modules.php?n...r=0&thold=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB655 Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 I think this make sens actually: A.Kostitsyn - Gomez - Gionta Prospal - Plekanec - Cammalleri Here's the top 6. I don't mind having Prospal at less then 2 millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtl_-Habs4Life-_mtlc Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 I don't like it. I've seen enough of prospal over the years. He is very much a product of playing with Vinny and St.Louis, especially on the powerplay. Aside from a 25 game stint with Philly after being a deadline acquisition, Prospal has never proved he can put up points without elite linemates. Last year he managed just 45 points in 82 games playing on Tampa's second line. There is no way this team can surround him with the caliber of linemates he needs to be successful. I'd give the spot to a youngster. For less than $2 million, if he puts up 45-50 points on the second line, it would be a good deal. Nobody is expecting him to put up PPG numbers at the rumored price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Oh God... Please no. Prospal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB655 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I'd like to know why people are all saying ''Not Prospal...'' Lecavalier said he was great and for less then 2 millions that's a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I'd like to know why people are all saying ''Not Prospal...'' Lecavalier said he was great and for less then 2 millions that's a good deal. As former teammates, why would Lecavalier say anything bad about him? What's bad is 45 points and a -20 last season. THAT's what's bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1119 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 If it's less than 2mil, why not? He's a solid 20-25 goal man, great addition to a second line. His aquisition would gives Patches a full season in Hamilton to get the playimg time he needs to develop (18-22min per game, top line minutes) and arrive next season ready for the NHL. Lats proved that in a 3rd line energy role with Laps he can really excel! I'm sure he'll get some time in the top 2 lines to show what he can do during the season as well. I've never seen Prospal be a floater either, he always seems to have his feet moving and he's always backchecking. Put him in Martin's system and he'll do very well (again). If this is part of a larger plan by BG, I'm all for it, but if it's just to add more veteran "precense" it's just a waste to block youth developpment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 If this is part of a larger plan by BG, I'm all for it, but if it's just to add more veteran "precense" it's just a waste to block youth developpment Exactly. Something tells me there is no larger plan. There will be no 'Eklund' style trades. Prospal would be a detriment to our young players. Let D'Agostini, Sergei K., and Latendresse compete for that spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concreteveins Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 A few reasons why this would be a smart move by Gainey: 1) If he signs a deal worth a little less than two million for one, or even two years, there is absolutely no problem with the cap. If he can come in and give 65 games and pitch in 45 points, this signing makes sense. 2) It would purely be a depth signing and you can never have enough depth on your team. 3) This would push the young kids to play and condition even harder. 4) His stats are reasonable for a second line forward: http://i.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=...amp;hubname=nhl. We are not talking about a prodigy here. He is a second line forward and his stats with the Fylers show he does put up points notching 14 in 18 games, scoring a total of 33 times with the last place team and the fifth place team. 5) He is from the Czech Republic and so is our second line centre Tomas Plekanec. I believe they have played international hockey together, and if the organization is bent on putting players who have played together before, it makes perfect sense and would create chemistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Left-handed shots in the organization: Mike Cammalleri Andrei Kostitsyn Sergei Kostitsyn Guillaume Latendresse Max Pacioretty Tomas Plekanec Scott Gomez Do we really need another one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babinator77 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Left-handed shots in the organization: Mike Cammalleri Andrei Kostitsyn Sergei Kostitsyn Guillaume Latendresse Max Pacioretty Tomas Plekanec Scott Gomez Do we really need another one? but aren't we looking for a top lw player? who's going to fill in the lw position on our second line? i'm not ecstatic about this move but for under $2mil i'm not against it either. the kids don't need the pressure of playing on our second line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 If it's less than 2mil, why not? He's a solid 20-25 goal man, great addition to a second line. His aquisition would gives Patches a full season in Hamilton to get the playimg time he needs to develop (18-22min per game, top line minutes) and arrive next season ready for the NHL. Lats proved that in a 3rd line energy role with Laps he can really excel! I'm sure he'll get some time in the top 2 lines to show what he can do during the season as well. I've never seen Prospal be a floater either, he always seems to have his feet moving and he's always backchecking. Put him in Martin's system and he'll do very well (again). If this is part of a larger plan by BG, I'm all for it, but if it's just to add more veteran "precense" it's just a waste to block youth developpment I would except signing Prospal if there was space for him playing second line minutes whereby BG had another trade in mind to acquire Anton Babchuk from the Hurricanes ... I think Babchuk could possibly be signed at between 2.5 and 3 million (for a three year term perhaps) and could be mentored by Markov. IMO he would actually be a better fit than Komisarek ever was. A few reasons why this would be a smart move by Gainey: 1) If he signs a deal worth a little less than two million for one, or even two years, there is absolutely no problem with the cap. If he can come in and give 65 games and pitch in 45 points, this signing makes sense. 2) It would purely be a depth signing and you can never have enough depth on your team. 3) This would push the young kids to play and condition even harder. 4) His stats are reasonable for a second line forward: http://i.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=...amp;hubname=nhl. We are not talking about a prodigy here. He is a second line forward and his stats with the Fylers show he does put up points notching 14 in 18 games, scoring a total of 33 times with the last place team and the fifth place team. 5) He is from the Czech Republic and so is our second line centre Tomas Plekanec. I believe they have played international hockey together, and if the organization is bent on putting players who have played together before, it makes perfect sense and would create chemistry. I agree with the points you've raised in principle. However, I would want him to be the starting second line left-winger and be willing to pay slightly over the 2 million mark for two years. It would probably only happen if the Kos-Bros (more specifically A. Kos) were a part of a trade to free up space, dollars and a roster spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 but aren't we looking for a top lw player? who's going to fill in the lw position on our second line? i'm not ecstatic about this move but for under $2mil i'm not against it either. the kids don't need the pressure of playing on our second line. A top LW player to play on the 2nd line? Is Prospal, at this point in his career, a top LW talent? Latendresse had 14 goals and 12 assists in 56 games, playing on the 3rd line, getting no PP time. He has to move ahead in his development soon and keeping him on the 3rd line with Maxim is not going to help him improve in the goal-scoring department. Guillaume is ready for a shot at that top-6 spot, and if we were to sign Prospal we would just be pushing him back down onto the 3rd line for another year or two (depending on length of term regarding Prospal). Guillaume also has more size, and was very effective in using his body last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concreteveins Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 With Stewart signed to a 1 year contract worth 500,000, it leaves the team with 1.111 million dollars in cap space. A trade would need to happen, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 With Stewart signed to a 1 year contract worth 500,000, it leaves the team with 1.111 million dollars in cap space. A trade would need to happen, IMO. Try capgeek.com! They show us as having $2.725 left in space! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babinator77 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 A top LW player to play on the 2nd line? Is Prospal, at this point in his career, a top LW talent? Latendresse had 14 goals and 12 assists in 56 games, playing on the 3rd line, getting no PP time. He has to move ahead in his development soon and keeping him on the 3rd line with Maxim is not going to help him improve in the goal-scoring department. Guillaume is ready for a shot at that top-6 spot, and if we were to sign Prospal we would just be pushing him back down onto the 3rd line for another year or two (depending on length of term regarding Prospal). Guillaume also has more size, and was very effective in using his body last season. fair enough. lats is really the only one i can see filling that spot right now but i think he's way behind in his development given the time he's spent in the league. i've seen flashes of his potential so giving him a shot on the second line might be the best decision and if he's going to become top 6 talent than yes, this is the year for him to do it but if he struggles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Try capgeek.com! They show us as having $2.725 left in space! Correction! I just calculated a 23 man roster (including Yannick Weber) and it told me we have approximately $2.100 left in space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 fair enough. lats is really the only one i can see filling that spot right now but i think he's way behind in his development given the time he's spent in the league. i've seen flashes of his potential so giving him a shot on the second line might be the best decision and if he's going to become top 6 talent than yes, this is the year for him to do it but if he struggles... Well, there are two ways to look at it. He's way behind in his development given the amount of time he's been in the NHL or he's way ahead in his development given how young he was when he came into the league and his age presently (22). It's not like any other prospects of ours have "taken off" at that age either. Andrei Kostitsyn only managed to break-out after having 50-60 games on our 1st line in 2007-2008. I believe he was 23-24 at the time. I really do believe that Guillaume could have a great year if given the opportunity. 25 goals is not out of the question, if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB655 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 As former teammates, why would Lecavalier say anything bad about him? What's bad is 45 points and a -20 last season. THAT's what's bad. Well...Considering the team he was playing with -20 is normal. Even lecavalier is -9. I think Prospal was playing with Lecavalier. So if Lecavalier wasn't on the PP they would have similar numbers. Latendresse had 14 goals and 12 assists in 56 games, playing on the 3rd line, getting no PP time. He has to move ahead in his development soon and keeping him on the 3rd line with Maxim is not going to help him improve in the goal-scoring department. Guillaume is ready for a shot at that top-6 spot, and if we were to sign Prospal we would just be pushing him back down onto the 3rd line for another year or two (depending on length of term regarding Prospal). Guillaume also has more size, and was very effective in using his body last season. Ain't Latendresse Right Wing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Well...Considering the team he was playing with -20 is normal. Even lecavalier is -9. I think Prospal was playing with Lecavalier. So if Lecavalier wasn't on the PP they would have similar numbers. I'm not sure what you're saying? You don't get a + for scoring while on the powerplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB655 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Sorry...My bad. But you can't use +/- to tell if a player is good or not. If I remember well Lecavalier have a pretty bad +/- every year. Almost every TB players have a bad +/- PS: Sorry for my bad english Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PERKELE-fin Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 We dont need him.We have Lats and Pacio.I think we dont need no more eastern europe players our team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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