74Kos-yn-31Price Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 I know there use to be a topic called this awhile back, but I couldn't find it... Price's, Halak's and even some rumour topics are being flooded with this discussion... So hope but we clean up this forum a bit by discussing it here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 I'm not sure there will be battle, it's pretty much set in stone who our starter is. But I would like to see a battle. I don't favor one goalie over another, I'm an x-goalie myself and just like to see great goaltending. I'd also like to see Halak given a real chance to show us what he's got. Halak's hungry, he about 24 (too lazy to look it up) and needs to get things going if he wants to make it at the NHL level; he's rotting away on the bench, he wants to get some wins and playing time under his belt. Huet's career really started when he was 30, Jaro wants to get things going soon. Halak's not a flashy goalie, he's never going to be a Tony Esposito, Brodeur or Roy. I believe he has the capability to be a #1 in the NHL though. He could be a solid goalie without all the flare of let's say Brodeur (along the lines of a Liut or Turco). We haven't gotten to see what he can do with a consistent playing schedule, just when he gets going he's pulled or he falls sick. Even if BG has the idea of trading him, it would be in our best interest to let him play/prove himself. If he plays well, it would give us more bang for our buck. If he doesn't play well... No harm done, he was a late draft pick and i don't think anyone expected him to be our #1. Price is hungry as well... He's 22 and others in his age group (not to mention where some greats where at 22, ie: Roy) are excelling and turning heads. This kid has had a lot of hype and I'm referring to before the NHL. Poor kid has a lot on his shoulders, but his sophomore season is over-no jinx-a new season ahead of him, lot's of time to prove the critics wrong. If Carey can get his focus he'll be a very entertaining goalie to watch. Kinda like a "Houdini-esque" save from Esposito or a Roy/Brodeur save-leaping to the far post bating pucks out of the air with their sticks. People have been buzzing about this kid for many years. I'd really like to see this kid succeed. I do believe he needs to start showing a little more consistency and start showing us little hints of greatness. This kid is no where near his peak yet, he still has a few more years before he's at his best. But that's a topic for another post... Basically, it's season 3 for Carey, last season was a disaster. He's hungry to prove that he belongs among the other up and coming goaltenders in his age group. I really hope there will be a battle between the pipes this season. Both goalies have their own reasons for wanting to play, this could be a season of great goaltending. I played my best hockey when I was fighting for the #1 spot... Basically, there never was an official #1 that season, coach just played us until we were played out. With the both of us fighting for the #1 spot, we had to play at out best each game to stay off the bench. I'd like to see the same fire From Jaro and Carey this year. M-A Fleury didn't hit his peak until his spot was challenged. Fleury kinda went through what Carey's going through now. Everyone expected him (Fleury) to be the #1, his spot was never challenged until he was injured in 07-08 and Conklin took over with some big wins (Conklin played some good hockey while M-A was injured). Then it happened again last season... He came back after some time off (lil rusty), while the backup was playing some strong hockey. That's what i think Carey needs, a lil shake up. Like I said before, us as fans could witness some spectacular goaltending this season if there's a true battle for the #1 spot. Unfortunately, I think Gainey is set in his ways, he's only got one name in mind when it comes to our #1. A lil healthy competition never hurt anyone, if Halak plays well it could benefit us when we're ready to trade him and it could shake Carey up, in a good way like it did for Fleury. I don't think Fleury had it quite yet in 07-08, but watching the 08-09 playoffs, I have to say he really impressed me at times. He really found his game last season. Let's hope Groulx can bring out the best in both Jaro and Carey. I want to see some great goaltending this year boys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHaul Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 The name had been changed to "The Goaltending Thread", I believe in an attempt to make things more harmonious with regard to our goaltenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74Kos-yn-31Price Posted August 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 My bad... Well if the mods wanna clsoe this one down thats fine... Im just tired of all the fighting and arguing in Halak's and Price's threads... plsu there are some good points on either side but split between different places... I don't think the argument will go anywhere... But if it was all in the same place it would make the forum seem less hostile with fighting only in one topic, haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74Kos-yn-31Price Posted August 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 To sum up all the arguing from the Halak, Price and Fernandez rumour thread: Courtesy of Jedimaas Named to the WHL West First All-Star Team in 2007 Won the Del Wilson Trophy (WHL Top Goaltender) in 2007. Won the CHL Goaltender of the Year Award in 2007. World Junior Championships - Tournament MVP in 2007 World Junior Championships - Top Goaltender in 2007 Won the Jack A. Butterfield Trophy Calder Cup MVP in 2007. Won the Calder Cup with the Hamilton Bulldogs in 2007. Won the Molson Cup in October 2007 and November 2008. Named NHL Rookie of the Month in March 2008. Named to the NHL All-Rookie Team in 2008. Named to the NHL All-Star Game in 2009 (starter). Named to the NHL YoungStars Game in 2009 Now, you can argue that most of his accolades came before joining the NHL, but since joining he's won the molson cup twice, been voted starter at the all star game & had several accolades in his rookie year. By comparison, Halak's only award is being named to the AHL's all rookie team in 06-07. I like Halak, I think he could potentially be a starter one day. I also think Carey was rushed & not given the support he required (both in coaching and the team in front of him (defense)) but there most definitely is a sane & logical reason to believe one goalie has more potential and explain why he has been afforded more attention than the other. Courtesy of Habfreak Price came into the NHL labelled as a future star. Not many goalies come into the NHL and start playing half the games right away. Halak always being the backup...behind Huet and now Price...has always had to deal with adversity and instability. Him being able to keep with Price in the statsheet deserves a little appreciation. Other than that I understand your points...agree or disagree and yes! I like any goalie that has a Ch on his shirt...except Huet! who i'd cheer for even if he had a Maple leaf on his shirt Courtesy of Swansee (Referring to Price) C'mon guys - he certainly has great potential but he really has not done anything major yet in the NHL - when he does we will all stop arguing and be thrilled to see him put as #1 - In the meantime lets try to win some games by going with the best goaltender at the moment, and I think what the majority of Halak supporters (and just general Habs fans ) are trying to say is Halak should be given a chance to compete for the #1 spot. They may come across as Price bashers because basically Price has been annointed #1 and they are trying to show why he shouldn't be #1 - YET - most are quick to say 'I hope Price lives up to his potential - but it hasn't happened yet'. Let's face it - the battle of the pipes doesn't exist because Jaro has never been given more than clean-up duty when Price is injured or has melted down. Halak supporters are frustrated because many believe he is as good as Price (and some think he is better) but the team continues to ignore him and lets Price keep playing even when he is obviously struggling. As much as Price fans 'cheer' for Halak - they don't want to see him played more than occasionally and want Price to be given the #1 spot without question. - It is natural for the Price supporters to be more positive as they are getting what they want - it is natural for the Halak supporters to be negative because they don't believe the goaltending situation is being handled well. Courtesy of Roy_133 Halak in a way had a season relatively similar to Price's actually, just his streaks (hot and cold) weren't as lengthy and extreme. He was shaky, inconsistent and not all that good in the first half, while Price was great and then in the 2nd half it was reversed. Obviously since the 2nd half was more recent people seem to remember that more. The fact is right now both are good young goalies, who like most goalies still have to find consistency at the NHL level. Courtesy of Carey31price I am hoping this year we as Canadiens fans stand behind Price and start supporting the guy rather than blamming everything on him. Last thing we need is to chase another goalie of the city. Patience folks thats all I can ask for! and I'm not "judging" him as a goalie based on the first half, but he did have 2 stretches where Price was injured and he got to play regularly and he was still inconsistent. Not that I think that's a substantial sample size and proves a whole lot, but the same can be said for his hot streak, it was a small sample size as well so who knows. Even Carey, he was very good for the first 70 games of his NHL career and he struggled terribly in the most recent 25 or so. So what's the real Carey? Right now I'd say both, he's experiencing growing pains and inconsistencies like basically all goalies that age (even Roy) but I mean to write his career off is silly (and i know you don't do that, at all swansee) the biggest issue is that he struggled at the end of the year, so it's fresh in everyone's minds but they forget how rock solid he was in the first half. If he had his cold streak in half 1 and his hot streak in half 2 it wouldn't be nearly the issue. I tried to get some good comments for both "sides"... I missed or couldn't fit a lot ... Left a lot out because it was offensive to members or players (found some from both sides)... Hopefully we can continue these arguments in the proper thread now instead of dragging on the same fight in three or more threads... I personally want the best goalie to play... But I also feel Price is the better goalie... I am sure there will be people i here to state their opinion on that.... One comment I liked was from RSD when referring to my sig: your signature says it all about last years team...2 detroit players infront of the net...georges behind one player trying to push him away...the other detroit player left to do what he wishes...and carey still made the save...my lord...lol Although it is referring to a Price save, I think all can agree that that type of defense did nothing to help Halak or Price both goalies will be better next year with the newly acquired help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 i was just watching a game from 07-08 where thomas got shelled by a team letting in 6 goals...but in 08-09 he comes back and is named the leagues best goalie...how does a goalie go from having such a horrible season to such a great season...is it possible that boston's defense finally tightened up allowing thomas to make the saves he needed to make to take them to that number one spot? so whats my point? the kind of year price had last season is the kind of season thomas had in 07-08...if that was thomas in montreal last season i doubt anything would have changed in the standings and people in montreal would be calling for thomas' head...as it turns out, boston tightened up their defense and thomas looked like a wall for the better part of last season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 i was just watching a game from 07-08 where thomas got shelled by a team letting in 6 goals...but in 08-09 he comes back and is named the leagues best goalie...how does a goalie go from having such a horrible season to such a great season...is it possible that boston's defense finally tightened up allowing thomas to make the saves he needed to make to take them to that number one spot? so whats my point? the kind of year price had last season is the kind of season thomas had in 07-08...if that was thomas in montreal last season i doubt anything would have changed in the standings and people in montreal would be calling for thomas' head...as it turns out, boston tightened up their defense and thomas looked like a wall for the better part of last season... Interesting, there some truth to this. I was at a game during the 07-08 season, the Habs won that game against Boston by a score of 8-2. That season Boston tried 3 different goalies against us, we still won every game. Thomas found his confidence last season... Before that, he always played a solid first 1/2 but somehow would always seem to lose it towards the end of the season. Watching the Bruins go last season, I kept waiting for Thomas to crumble, but he never did. Just goes to show what a confident team can accomplish. Whoever our goalie will be this season, there's no reason not to have confidence in our defense. I pretty sure BG stacked our d with vets to get Carey going. Last season was painful to watch, even Markov struggled a lil after the all-star break. Well, here's to a new season, can't wait to see how this new defensive core rubs off on our goalies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianMike Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Team HALAK!!!!!!! oh come on relax. This place would be boring if we all loved Uncle Bob's favorite goalie. The underdog needs some LOVE too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostyHAWK Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 i'm totally biased on halak, i just hope if carey has a bad season this year that people might start to smell the coffee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 i'm totally biased on halak, i just hope if carey has a bad season this year that people might start to smell the coffee and if he doesnt will you smell the tea?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostyHAWK Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 and if he doesnt will you smell the tea?? if he doesn't i'm glad for him and trade halak to where he can get the #1 but i have a personal feeling about price, i just don't like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 if he doesn't i'm glad for him and trade halak to where he can get the #1 but i have a personal feeling about price, i just don't like him. why...whats there to like about halak?...why dont you like price? did he do something to you??...im just curious and im not a cat so it wont kill me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostyHAWK Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 why...whats there to like about halak?...why dont you like price? did he do something to you??...im just curious and im not a cat so it wont kill me... halak seems like the guy who's silent but nice, the kind of warrior you want on your team. price looks like higgins in interviews and such, he looks like hes a BIG douche in person. no he did nothing to me but sometimes i get this feeling when i see someone, i could be 100% wrong though, it's just an opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 halak seems like the guy who's silent but nice, the kind of warrior you want on your team. price looks like higgins in interviews and such, he looks like hes a BIG douche in person. no he did nothing to me but sometimes i get this feeling when i see someone, i could be 100% wrong though, it's just an opinion so in essence youre judging a book by its cover...to me price seems like a nice guy when i see them play and win hes always in a joking mood...the helmet switch from last season etc...obviously when you lose you arent going to be so happy...its good to see that hes not happy with a loss, shows he has passion and wants to win not just play for money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostyHAWK Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 so in essence youre judging a book by its cover...to me price seems like a nice guy when i see them play and win hes always in a joking mood...the helmet switch from last season etc...obviously when you lose you arent going to be so happy...its good to see that hes not happy with a loss, shows he has passion and wants to win not just play for money... i said it's an opinion, i just had a feeling that's all; if hes good and someone tells me hes a nice person then i'll take it but c'mon when was the right to a different opinion banned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 i said it's an opinion, i just had a feeling that's all; if hes good and someone tells me hes a nice person then i'll take it but c'mon when was the right to a different opinion banned? never said it was banned...just saying your judging the kids character based on what you think you saw and not really on what the kid is like...thats like someone saying fz91 is a bad person because he judges peoples character without knowing them...thats not fair to you, because thats judging you based on some words written online...maybe i think differently and feel that there is a line between opinion and judging...opinion to me would be: "i think carey price has poor position when he plays"...judging is: "i think carey price has such and such character and is a sour person because in one interview he was upset so hes not a nice guy, hes a douche"...get what i mean?...anyways all i was saying is dont judge the kids personality/character based on what you see in a post game interview or whatever because thats not really fair to him...give your opinon on his game all you want...but when its on how a person is/their character thats just taking shots without any basis... edit: actually, i think calling price a "douche" would be considered player bashing which i believe is banned on this site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsprite18 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 The name had been changed to "The Goaltending Thread", I believe in an attempt to make things more harmonious with regard to our goaltenders. Let me second this motion - it did change the perspective a little. We battle other teams - not each other hopefully! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dso67 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 agreed. hopefully our goalies can feed off of eachother and make eachother better players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles@conceptsfisher.com Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I'm not sure there will be battle, it's pretty much set in stone who our starter is. But I would like to see a battle. I don't favor one goalie over another, I'm an x-goalie myself and just like to see great goaltending. I'd also like to see Halak given a real chance to show us what he's got. Halak's hungry, he about 24 (too lazy to look it up) and needs to get things going if he wants to make it at the NHL level; he's rotting away on the bench, he wants to get some wins and playing time under his belt. Huet's career really started when he was 30, Jaro wants to get things going soon. Halak's not a flashy goalie, he's never going to be a Tony Esposito, Brodeur or Roy. I believe he has the capability to be a #1 in the NHL though. He could be a solid goalie without all the flare of let's say Brodeur (along the lines of a Liut or Turco). We haven't gotten to see what he can do with a consistent playing schedule, just when he gets going he's pulled or he falls sick. Even if BG has the idea of trading him, it would be in our best interest to let him play/prove himself. If he plays well, it would give us more bang for our buck. If he doesn't play well... No harm done, he was a late draft pick and i don't think anyone expected him to be our #1. Price is hungry as well... He's 22 and others in his age group (not to mention where some greats where at 22, ie: Roy) are excelling and turning heads. This kid has had a lot of hype and I'm referring to before the NHL. Poor kid has a lot on his shoulders, but his sophomore season is over-no jinx-a new season ahead of him, lot's of time to prove the critics wrong. If Carey can get his focus he'll be a very entertaining goalie to watch. Kinda like a "Houdini-esque" save from Esposito or a Roy/Brodeur save-leaping to the far post bating pucks out of the air with their sticks. People have been buzzing about this kid for many years. I'd really like to see this kid succeed. I do believe he needs to start showing a little more consistency and start showing us little hints of greatness. This kid is no where near his peak yet, he still has a few more years before he's at his best. But that's a topic for another post... Basically, it's season 3 for Carey, last season was a disaster. He's hungry to prove that he belongs among the other up and coming goaltenders in his age group. I really hope there will be a battle between the pipes this season. Both goalies have their own reasons for wanting to play, this could be a season of great goaltending. I played my best hockey when I was fighting for the #1 spot... Basically, there never was an official #1 that season, coach just played us until we were played out. With the both of us fighting for the #1 spot, we had to play at out best each game to stay off the bench. I'd like to see the same fire From Jaro and Carey this year. M-A Fleury didn't hit his peak until his spot was challenged. Fleury kinda went through what Carey's going through now. Everyone expected him (Fleury) to be the #1, his spot was never challenged until he was injured in 07-08 and Conklin took over with some big wins (Conklin played some good hockey while M-A was injured). Then it happened again last season... He came back after some time off (lil rusty), while the backup was playing some strong hockey. That's what i think Carey needs, a lil shake up. Like I said before, us as fans could witness some spectacular goaltending this season if there's a true battle for the #1 spot. Unfortunately, I think Gainey is set in his ways, he's only got one name in mind when it comes to our #1. A lil healthy competition never hurt anyone, if Halak plays well it could benefit us when we're ready to trade him and it could shake Carey up, in a good way like it did for Fleury. I don't think Fleury had it quite yet in 07-08, but watching the 08-09 playoffs, I have to say he really impressed me at times. He really found his game last season. Let's hope Groulx can bring out the best in both Jaro and Carey. I want to see some great goaltending this year boys! This, great post sums up my thoughts exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianMike Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 if he doesn't i'm glad for him and trade halak to where he can get the #1 but i have a personal feeling about price, i just don't like him. I don't know you, but I like you already kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I'm not sure there will be battle, it's pretty much set in stone who our starter is. But I would like to see a battle. I don't favor one goalie over another, I'm an x-goalie myself and just like to see great goaltending. I'd also like to see Halak given a real chance to show us what he's got. Halak's hungry, he about 24 (too lazy to look it up) and needs to get things going if he wants to make it at the NHL level; he's rotting away on the bench, he wants to get some wins and playing time under his belt. Huet's career really started when he was 30, Jaro wants to get things going soon. Halak's not a flashy goalie, he's never going to be a Tony Esposito, Brodeur or Roy. I believe he has the capability to be a #1 in the NHL though. He could be a solid goalie without all the flare of let's say Brodeur (along the lines of a Liut or Turco). We haven't gotten to see what he can do with a consistent playing schedule, just when he gets going he's pulled or he falls sick. Even if BG has the idea of trading him, it would be in our best interest to let him play/prove himself. If he plays well, it would give us more bang for our buck. If he doesn't play well... No harm done, he was a late draft pick and i don't think anyone expected him to be our #1. Price is hungry as well... He's 22 and others in his age group (not to mention where some greats where at 22, ie: Roy) are excelling and turning heads. This kid has had a lot of hype and I'm referring to before the NHL. Poor kid has a lot on his shoulders, but his sophomore season is over-no jinx-a new season ahead of him, lot's of time to prove the critics wrong. If Carey can get his focus he'll be a very entertaining goalie to watch. Kinda like a "Houdini-esque" save from Esposito or a Roy/Brodeur save-leaping to the far post bating pucks out of the air with their sticks. People have been buzzing about this kid for many years. I'd really like to see this kid succeed. I do believe he needs to start showing a little more consistency and start showing us little hints of greatness. This kid is no where near his peak yet, he still has a few more years before he's at his best. But that's a topic for another post... Basically, it's season 3 for Carey, last season was a disaster. He's hungry to prove that he belongs among the other up and coming goaltenders in his age group. I really hope there will be a battle between the pipes this season. Both goalies have their own reasons for wanting to play, this could be a season of great goaltending. I played my best hockey when I was fighting for the #1 spot... Basically, there never was an official #1 that season, coach just played us until we were played out. With the both of us fighting for the #1 spot, we had to play at out best each game to stay off the bench. I'd like to see the same fire From Jaro and Carey this year. M-A Fleury didn't hit his peak until his spot was challenged. Fleury kinda went through what Carey's going through now. Everyone expected him (Fleury) to be the #1, his spot was never challenged until he was injured in 07-08 and Conklin took over with some big wins (Conklin played some good hockey while M-A was injured). Then it happened again last season... He came back after some time off (lil rusty), while the backup was playing some strong hockey. That's what i think Carey needs, a lil shake up. Like I said before, us as fans could witness some spectacular goaltending this season if there's a true battle for the #1 spot. Unfortunately, I think Gainey is set in his ways, he's only got one name in mind when it comes to our #1. A lil healthy competition never hurt anyone, if Halak plays well it could benefit us when we're ready to trade him and it could shake Carey up, in a good way like it did for Fleury. I don't think Fleury had it quite yet in 07-08, but watching the 08-09 playoffs, I have to say he really impressed me at times. He really found his game last season. Let's hope Groulx can bring out the best in both Jaro and Carey. I want to see some great goaltending this year boys! Great post. I wish this thread could begin and end with this post. Unfortunately, it will not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kovy-27 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Hopefully Jaroslav stays with the team for over a decade and becomes one of the greatest goalies of all time. Go Habs Go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcammalleri Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Hopefully Jaroslav stays with the team for over a decade and becomes one of the greatest goalies of all time. Go Habs Go! I don't think Jaro will ever become one of the best goalies of all time. But I also think He'll be a consistent top 5 goalie in the league for years to come (30 wins, 920 Sv%, 2.20 GAA). I just can't wait for him to move on, because he won't even get to play 30 games here...forget 30 wins! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-K-46 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 isnt a bit too early to start a thread like this because halak and price havent proved anything this season and we all kno for the start of the season the #1 will be carey unless halak has an amazing camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74Kos-yn-31Price Posted August 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I agree, it is clearly too early to start this thread... and yet i did it anyway to limit the arguing elsewhere in the forum on this topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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