pitbull12 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 The fact remains that Price is still very young and in the process of developing his game at a time when most of the league's established goalies were either doing the same or not even in the NHL. When you bring up a young player into a position like goalie, you have to know that struggling and inconsistency are prices you'll have to pay. Fleury didn't solidify until age 24. Mock it however you like, but age is a legitimate topic of discussion where Price is concerned. Agree, if you look at all the elite goalies in the leagues and compare their first couple season's into the NHL it shows that Price is pretty much on par or just a little better than most of them when they first entered the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 aww poor baby price...bring out the baby gloves again. The age of #1 goalies last year were : 36 24 31 26 27 36 36 20 32 26 34 28 31 29 32 30 39 26 32 24 32 25 26 33 26 33 28 23 Thats without Montreal and Ottawa, MTL for the researchs purpose and Ottawa because they had no true #1. That comes out to an average age of a starting goalie of exatly 29.46 years of age, that means Price is 33% younger than the mean, and a standard deviation of 4.52. That means that in a NHL population, 68% of goalies have a starting age between 24.94 and 33.98 and 95% of goalies have a starting age between 20.42 and 38.5. That means that Price is barely, barely within the 95% population barrier. It shows what an outlier his age is, and how rare it is for a goalie of his age to be in the NHL. The only one here who should be mocked is you at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-K-46 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 The age of #1 goalies last year were : 36 24 31 26 27 36 36 20 32 26 34 28 31 29 32 30 39 26 32 24 32 25 26 33 26 33 28 23 Thats without Montreal and Ottawa, MTL for the researchs purpose and Ottawa because they had no true #1. That comes out to an average age of a starting goalie of exatly 29.46 years of age, that means Price is 33% younger than the mean, and a standard deviation of 4.52. That means that in a NHL population, 68% of goalies have a starting age between 24.94 and 33.98 and 95% of goalies have a starting age between 20.42 and 38.5. That means that Price is barely, barely within the 95% population barrier. It shows what an outlier his age is, and how rare it is for a goalie of his age to be in the NHL. The only one here who should be mocked is you at the moment. a true math genius i never knew price was so young compared to the rest of the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2VP Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Holy Moneypuck!! Great job on the numbers.......................geek Price for All Star Starter vote now, vote often hehe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italohockey84 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 I don't see how anyone could want Halak to start more than Price. I love Halak, and I think the best thinkg for him is to be traded away and get a legit shot at being a starting goaltender. Price is still only TWENTY ONE YEARS OLD. He has a bunch of NHL experience (regular and post season) and will msot likely continue to develop. He's a baby when it comes to tenders, i mean Thomas/Nabokov/Lundqvist/Kipper/Backstrom etc etc etc all of them became staple number ones later in their careers... riiight ok so actually he's 22 and is the age excuse really gonna be the best one u price-aholics have? or is it gonna be the color of his pads again? lol so basically ur admitting that he has played sub-par but are justifying it with his age. I agree that some goalies only blossomed later but that doesnt mean that him playing bad will ultimately mean he WILL play good. and for the record halak at his age was called in to play and went 8-0 at home with a 9th place team. may not be much, but its more than.....nothing!!!! ps please dont respond to this post with pre-nhl facts or the word potential thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadiens26 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 I hope Halak gets a legitimate chance to prove himself this season. I'm tired of Gainey's obsession with Price, don't get me wrong I believe Price could/will be the future number one goaltender but he hasn't done a whole heck of a lot to prove it so far in his young career. Halak is a solid goalie who can win those "must win" games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 riiight ok so actually he's 22 and is the age excuse really gonna be the best one u price-aholics have? or is it gonna be the color of his pads again? lol so basically ur admitting that he has played sub-par but are justifying it with his age. I agree that some goalies only blossomed later but that doesnt mean that him playing bad will ultimately mean he WILL play good. and for the record halak at his age was called in to play and went 8-0 at home with a 9th place team. may not be much, but its more than.....nothing!!!! ps please dont respond to this post with pre-nhl facts or the word potential thanks The starter goalie is always the better goalie of the two. In Carbs and in Gainey mind they both taught Price was the better goalie so he ended up being the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialboyMikey Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 He is the better starter, who thinks that halak can be consistent? sure hes good at coming in for a couple games but proabaley would of folded trying to do what price does! last year wasnt evem THAT BAD of a season for price, it was actually quit good. The playoffs were obvious, our team just let boston run all over us, NOT PRICES FAULT, the shootout games were all very low scoring games. they werent 7-6 or anything like that, if you ask me, he progressed better then fleury did in the time hes been here, it took fleury over 4 seasons to get where he is now, and STILL not better imo then carey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 The age of #1 goalies last year were : 36 24 31 26 27 36 36 20 32 26 34 28 31 29 32 30 39 26 32 24 32 25 26 33 26 33 28 23 Thats without Montreal and Ottawa, MTL for the researchs purpose and Ottawa because they had no true #1. That comes out to an average age of a starting goalie of exatly 29.46 years of age, that means Price is 33% younger than the mean, and a standard deviation of 4.52. That means that in a NHL population, 68% of goalies have a starting age between 24.94 and 33.98 and 95% of goalies have a starting age between 20.42 and 38.5. That means that Price is barely, barely within the 95% population barrier. It shows what an outlier his age is, and how rare it is for a goalie of his age to be in the NHL. The only one here who should be mocked is you at the moment. THANK YOU. Maybe now fans will understand how absurd their expectations are when it comes to Price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 riiight ok so actually he's 22 and is the age excuse really gonna be the best one u price-aholics have? or is it gonna be the color of his pads again? lol so basically ur admitting that he has played sub-par but are justifying it with his age. And we have proven why his age is an issue, your rebuddle? I agree that some goalies only blossomed later but that doesnt mean that him playing bad will ultimately mean he WILL play good. Really people are a little too harsh on Price, he was amazing last year minus the small sample vs Philly, great in the first half this year and crap after that. Hes shown way more than enough evidence that he can be a star. and for the record halak at his age was called in to play and went 8-0 at home with a 9th place team. may not be much, but its more than.....nothing!!!! Way to say 8-0 at home to completely misrepresent his 10-6 record since you're referring to the age 21 season of Halak even if you're not its still purposely using choice words, but records mean nothing, goalies don't win or lose games, they just contribute to them, its a team record. ps please dont respond to this post with pre-nhl facts or the word potential thanks Just because I can, I'm going to post current goalies SV% from their age 21 seasons: Fleury .898 DiPietro .894 Ward .882 Brodeur .915 (.902 as a 22 year old) Luongo .920 (.904 as a 20 year old) Lehtonen had no 21 year old season, but was .906 at 22 Miller had no 21 year old season, but was .902 at 22 Osgood .895 Khabibulin had no 21 year old season, but was .895 at 22 Vokoun had no 21 year old season, but was .908 at 22 and for the heck of it Halak .906 Patrick Roy .892 It was hard to find many others, and thats kind of the point. Not many goalie play at 21 in the NHL and when they do they generally suck. Sure Brodeur and Luongo had a great start, but so did Price, he had a .920 in his rookie year and even though this stats ar just first-order, its meant to hammer down the points that goalies are not expected to succeed at 21 or 22. If Price can be an average goalie next year, thats all that should be asked of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1IscottieI1I Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 I hate how the Halak fanboys think Halak is more proven then Price just because of 4 games he won towards the end of the season. When has Halak played the majority of games in a season. Halak is less proven then Price and in most peoples eyes is the more skilled Goalie. That makes him the obvious starter. If you don't like it wait for Halak to get traded or sign with another team after this year then cheer for them. Until then stop whining about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitbull12 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 I hate how the Halak fanboys think Halak is more proven then Price just because of 4 games he won towards the end of the season. When has Halak played the majority of games in a season. Halak is less proven then Price and in most peoples eyes is the more skilled Goalie. That makes him the obvious starter. If you don't like it wait for Halak to get traded or sign with another team after this year then cheer for them. Until then stop whining about it. Amen brother amen! Every argument there is, Halak's followers seem to always bring up that 4 game stretch. I am not taking anything away from it because hell it was one heck of a streak but really? http://twitter.com/carey31price UNITE! HAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2VP Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Amen brother amen! Every argument there is, Halak's followers seem to always bring up that 4 game stretch. I am not taking anything away from it because hell it was one heck of a streak but really? http://twitter.com/carey31price UNITE! HAHA My personal favourite was last Dec or so when the Halak looked like garbage and his fans all decided he was done in Montreal. Price fans don't talk trash about Halak, but Halak fans talk trash about Price......Fans are odd at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Strange...I feel like were in another Carey Price Thread. Oh well,go price/halak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitbull12 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Strange...I feel like were in another Carey Price Thread. Oh well,go price/halak. The Halak fans hibernate until he wins a game, then all hell breaks loose on here LOL. But I agree with you, go Price and Halak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 My personal favourite was last Dec or so when the Halak looked like garbage and his fans all decided he was done in Montreal. Price fans don't talk trash about Halak, but Halak fans talk trash about Price......Fans are odd at times. I think you're mistaken, I a fan of both our goalies. In the past I was fearful when the back up played, I don't have the same feeling with Halak. At the end of the day, Price fans bash Halak just as much as Halak fans bash Price. Just look through game day threads of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Every argument there is, Halak's followers seem to always bring up that 4 game stretch. Is this the 4 game stretch that gave us 8 points....enough that allowed us to get into the playoffs??? Not that we did anything once in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialboyMikey Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Well without prices WICKED first half wed been ****** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Is this the 4 game stretch that gave us 8 points....enough that allowed us to get into the playoffs??? Not that we did anything once in. isnt that evened off by 4 games he started and lost in which the habs got 0 points? lol at the end of the day none of it makes sense...halak won 4 games in a row...price went undefeated in regulation from nov 21 to december 31...both goalies still lost games...yes they win games but they also lose games so to bring up a specific 4 there are also 4 games in which halak lost...and this isnt going at you, but more anyone who brings up the 4 games 8 points...i like halak i have no issues with him specifically, but i have a problem with people saying he's far superior to price because i dont see it and i dont see a point to it...want to point out weak goals allowed by price, we can just as easily find weak goals allowed in by halak...the fact is, everyone, both goalies are young and are learning how to play in the nhl...some people want halak to get the chance because they dont like price period or because they saw halak win a game here and there after a 3 game losing streak so he must be the answer to the problem...if carey does end up having a career season what will the price bashers say then? that the only reason price did good was because of a better defence or because the offence was good...theres always going to be excuses...there's no battle, people just want to create one because they cant bring themselves to like the team...always got to pick players and sides... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Well without prices WICKED first half wed been ****** No one's disputing that,for sure. Go Price..... Go Halak.... Go HABSSSSSSSSSSSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-K-46 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 No one's disputing that,for sure. Go Price..... Go Halak.... Go HABSSSSSSSSSSSS best post ive seen in a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsprite18 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 I think what the majority of Halak supporters (and just general Habs fans ) are trying to say is, Halak should be given a chance to compete for the #1 spot. They may come across as Price bashers because basically Price has been annointed #1 and they are trying to show why he shouldn't be #1 - YET - most are quick to say 'I hope Price lives up to his potential - but it hasn't happened yet'. Let's face it - the battle of the pipes doesn't exist because Jaro has never been given more than clean-up duty when Price is injured or has melted down. Halak supporters are frustrated because many believe he is as good as Price (and some think he is better) but the team continues to ignore him and lets Price keep playing even when he is obviously struggling. As much as Price fans 'cheer' for Halak - they don't want to see him played more than occasionally and want Price to be given the #1 spot without question. - It is natural for the Price supporters to be more positive as they are getting what they want - it is natural for the Halak supporters to be negative because they don't believe the goaltending situation is being handled well. While the occasional poster bashes Price personally, the majority are unhappy not with Price's effort but with how he has been handled since he has come into the Montreal organization. Anyone who believes Price is giving less than his best is sadly mistaken. The problem is Gainey and the admin and their handling of him - the latest example being the famous "booing" game. Both sides of the argument point out how "young" he is compared to other starters - that is EXACTLY the point - he is too young to be a full time starter - his last two seasons have shown that - streaks of brilliance and then streaks of weak playing - he has been put in a position (#1 goalie) he is not ready for. How can any Price fan be pleased with the decision to play him in the last playoff game???? The admin also needs to give Jaro more games and show more confidence in him - especially when he is on a roll or when Price is struggling - competition will make Price better, it will increase Jaro's trade value and give us a stronger team knowing we have two goalies that can be dominant. Just like last December when Price was sick - Jaro played poorly because he was rusty from being benched for so long. Beyond this we have TWO promising talented young goalies and since neither has consistently stepped up - we should be playing them in tandem or near-tandem and allowing them to compete for the #1 job. If we were winning and we had a clear #1 goalie you wouldn't see the negativity from most posters - but we aren't winning so many people would like to see us try something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1IscottieI1I Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 i would just like to point out that the game after halaks 4 game win streak he got pulled because he stunk it up. That is why price played the majority of the games. Halak didn't just get told he wasn't starting because price was ready. He was pulled because he had a bad game his hot streak was over. Halak is our backup not our starter. If Gainey wanted 2 starters he would say so but he only wants one and thats Price. Gainey is the GM not us so weather we like it or not we have to live with what he decides to do with the team. Halak will never be the starter in montreal because the management feel price is a better goalie. its really that simple you try to make up excuses like the only reason price is getting starter is cuz he was a 5th overal pick. well did you ever think the only reason he was a 5th overall pick is because he is good?? the guy did more in 1 year then halak has done in a lifetime. he won gold, calder cup, and mvp what has halak won?? 4 games in a row followed by a 5th game where he got pulled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franck5890 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 I like the age argument presented above, well done. The only argument with respect to age and Carey Price that I've disagreed with is comparing with Halak, as the tremendous experience gap really trumps the age gap since it isn't that big (ie. using age to defend Carey from certain things, but springing the same criticism on Jaro 'because he's older'). And 2VP, as for the All-Star voting, I don't think I could handle the frenzy again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 I think what the majority of Halak supporters (and just general Habs fans ) are trying to say is, Halak should be given a chance to compete for the #1 spot. They may come across as Price bashers because basically Price has been annointed #1 and they are trying to show why he shouldn't be #1 - YET - most are quick to say 'I hope Price lives up to his potential - but it hasn't happened yet'. Let's face it - the battle of the pipes doesn't exist because Jaro has never been given more than clean-up duty when Price is injured or has melted down. Halak supporters are frustrated because many believe he is as good as Price (and some think he is better) but the team continues to ignore him and lets Price keep playing even when he is obviously struggling. As much as Price fans 'cheer' for Halak - they don't want to see him played more than occasionally and want Price to be given the #1 spot without question. - It is natural for the Price supporters to be more positive as they are getting what they want - it is natural for the Halak supporters to be negative because they don't believe the goaltending situation is being handled well. While the occasional poster bashes Price personally, the majority are unhappy not with Price's effort but with how he has been handled since he has come into the Montreal organization. Anyone who believes Price is giving less than his best is sadly mistaken. The problem is Gainey and the admin and their handling of him - the latest example being the famous "booing" game. Both sides of the argument point out how "young" he is compared to other starters - that is EXACTLY the point - he is too young to be a full time starter - his last two seasons have shown that - streaks of brilliance and then streaks of weak playing - he has been put in a position (#1 goalie) he is not ready for. How can any Price fan be pleased with the decision to play him in the last playoff game???? The admin also needs to give Jaro more games and show more confidence in him - especially when he is on a roll or when Price is struggling - competition will make Price better, it will increase Jaro's trade value and give us a stronger team knowing we have two goalies that can be dominant. Just like last December when Price was sick - Jaro played poorly because he was rusty from being benched for so long. Beyond this we have TWO promising talented young goalies and since neither has consistently stepped up - we should be playing them in tandem or near-tandem and allowing them to compete for the #1 job. If we were winning and we had a clear #1 goalie you wouldn't see the negativity from most posters - but we aren't winning so many people would like to see us try something different. +1 Exactly what I was trying to spit out....I guess I was beating around the bush ,but I like how you summarized this. Thank you Swansee,in my IMO also....this is definitely the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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