habs-24 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Dude, relax, I said right up front that I was only half-serious. half serious or not just wondering how half serious you are about this... just wondering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 half serious or not just wondering how half serious you are about this... just wondering Okay, I am really not that serious. Happy? :P I'm just searching to find continuities from last year, and Muller is the only one remaining as far as coaching goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Okay, I am really not that serious. Happy? :P I'm just searching to find continuities from last year, and Muller is the only one remaining as far as coaching goes. last year wasnt half the mess this is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtl1010 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I'm only half-serious here, but I'm starting to wonder about Muller's influence on the team. This team plays the same garbage style it did last season. But we have a new head coach and a plethora of new players. And if you're going to tell me that guys like Markov, Hamrlik, and Plekanec are the problem, I just won't believe you. The only continuity on the coaching staff is Muller. Coincidence? There seems to be a connection but if this were true, then he has a pretty BIG influence on this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 last year wasnt half the mess this is I disagree. The team was in an absolute mess at this same time last season. Our top players were slumping, a d-man was leading the team in points, and if not for strong goaltending from Carey in the fall and an unbelievable four-game hot streak from Halak in the spring, we wouldn't even have sniffed the playoffs. The power play was in ruins until Schneider came along. The PK couldn't stop anyone from scoring. Line changes were a nightmare that often resulted in goals against. We gave up those same odd-man rushes game after game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I disagree. The team was in an absolute mess at this same time last season. Our top players were slumping, a d-man was leading the team in points, and if not for strong goaltending from Carey in the fall and an unbelievable four-game hot streak from Halak in the spring, we wouldn't even have sniffed the playoffs. The power play was in ruins until Schneider came along. The PK couldn't stop anyone from scoring. Line changes were a nightmare that often resulted in goals against. We gave up those same odd-man rushes game after game. the season went down last year after the all star game when the injuries hit and things went to hell, until that point we were on our way to home ice once again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 the season went down last year after the all star game when the injuries hit and things went to hell, until that point we were on our way to home ice once again No offense, but do you remember us in the fall of 08-09? Honestly, not very good. The only difference, as usual, was that our goalie (in this case, Carey) was very hot and was bailing us out of games we had no right to win. Nothing from that point in the season indicated home ice to me. If you think 08-09 was a great season derailed by injury, we'll have to agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 No offense, but do you remember us in the fall of 08-09? Honestly, not very good. The only difference, as usual, was that our goalie (in this case, Carey) was very hot and was bailing us out of games we had no right to win. Nothing from that point in the season indicated home ice to me. If you think 08-09 was a great season derailed by injury, we'll have to agree to disagree. it was going to be a home ice finish and it was going well until January when carey got hurt and everyone else but i just look back on it now and we all thought it couldnt get worse than that season and here we are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasCanadien Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 I'm only half-serious here, but I'm starting to wonder about Muller's influence on the team. This team plays the same garbage style it did last season. But we have a new head coach and a plethora of new players. And if you're going to tell me that guys like Markov, Hamrlik, and Plekanec are the problem, I just won't believe you. The only continuity on the coaching staff is Muller. Coincidence? You may be only half serious but I am completely serious. The same mistakes that the Habs made last year on defense are being repeated again. Passive defense and playing a "zone" defense is still here. We again look like we are trying to defend against a power play even when we are at even strength. And attitude. The Habs were lackadaisical and not focused during games for almost all of last year. And they look the same this year. They are consistently being out-hustled every game. Allowing a team to be out-hustled shows fault with the Coaching staff. Yes, Martin has given entirely too much responsibility to Muller. I said it all the time last year and will continue to say it again this year. Muller must go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jst-onge Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Yep, I'd agree with that. I don't see anything fancy about what they're doing, just good honest PK work from players with the ability to anticipate a developing play and break it up. All the players mentioned have been historically quite good on the penalty kill. I really don't understand that, you said good at anticipating the play, I totally agree and then 5 on 5 they foreget and go back to reacting and playing passive. I don't understand? They can play agreesive and they are good at it, why stop? The coaching staff must see this we do, am I missing something or are these coaches so afrad of losing they don't want to win. Are they saying lets keep the tight and wait for their mistakes, or are they saying lets go at them and make them give us the puck so we can score (win ). See my point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 You may be only half serious but I am completely serious. The same mistakes that the Habs made last year on defense are being repeated again. Passive defense and playing a "zone" defense is still here. We again look like we are trying to defend against a power play even when we are at even strength. And attitude. The Habs were lackadaisical and not focused during games for almost all of last year. And they look the same this year. They are consistently being out-hustled every game. Allowing a team to be out-hustled shows fault with the Coaching staff. Yes, Martin has given entirely too much responsibility to Muller. I said it all the time last year and will continue to say it again this year. Muller must go. It's weird if Muller is the problem, though. What exactly is he teaching these guys at practice? I was skeptical about retaining Muller this season only for his communication skills. He was nothing but a university coach before Bob brought him to work under Carbonneau. Mediocre credentials IMO. Whatever the truth of the situation, one thing of which I'm fairly certain is that Muller is not the only problem in this organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 It's weird if Muller is the problem, though. What exactly is he teaching these guys at practice? I was skeptical about retaining Muller this season only for his communication skills. He was nothing but a university coach before Bob brought him to work under Carbonneau. Mediocre credentials IMO. Whatever the truth of the situation, one thing of which I'm fairly certain is that Muller is not the only problem in this organization. no, and id like to see Muller stay around in the future i think he adds alot of positive to the bench and he really is a smart hockey mind. as for Martin and Pearn..................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_mtl Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 I dont see Muller is the problem, i see B.G./COACH our biggest problem. what are the Molsons thinking right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cujofan311 Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 no, and id like to see Muller stay around in the future i think he adds alot of positive to the bench and he really is a smart hockey mind. as for Martin and Pearn..................................... he's got more one stanley cup more than JM. that's what he brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catt-_mtlc Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Happy Birthday Kirk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Okay, I hate to bring this up again, but it is eerie how similar this team is to last year's team in terms of collapsing at the end of the season and not being able to play any kind of disciplined system on the ice. Are the players just not buying what Muller is preaching? He is the only coaching holdover from last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Okay, I hate to bring this up again, but it is eerie how similar this team is to last year's team in terms of collapsing at the end of the season and not being able to play any kind of disciplined system on the ice. Are the players just not buying what Muller is preaching? He is the only coaching holdover from last season. our players who are offensive arent buying into what Jacques is preaching thats the biggest problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 I think Kirk should be canned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 I think Kirk should be canned. Any reason why or just speculations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Any reason why or just speculations? Yeah, I'm not in agreement with the whole "get rid of Muller" argument. Just because he's the one remaining consistency between last year and this year's team doesn't mean it has anything to do with being his fault. I mean, we have been awful for years before Muller got here. I just think it's become part of the mentality... We cannot win. Year in, year out... This team is not built properly and does not compete when it matters the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Yeah, I'm not in agreement with the whole "get rid of Muller" argument. Just because he's the one remaining consistency between last year and this year's team doesn't mean it has anything to do with being his fault. I mean, we have been awful for years before Muller got here. I just think it's become part of the mentality... We cannot win. Year in, year out... This team is not built properly and does not compete when it matters the most. He is suppose to be a moral/motivator coach, then why can't motivate the team to play hard. Its kinda hard to blame an assistant coach for anything because he has no real power of what he is teaching but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Yeah, I'm not in agreement with the whole "get rid of Muller" argument. Just because he's the one remaining consistency between last year and this year's team doesn't mean it has anything to do with being his fault. I mean, we have been awful for years before Muller got here. I just think it's become part of the mentality... We cannot win. Year in, year out... This team is not built properly and does not compete when it matters the most. But you know who has been with the Habs since the early 90's? Pierre Gervais, the equipment manager. I say Gauthier fires him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Muller is an asset to have imo, the problems start way above his position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoungerrr Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 just gotta clean house. He may not be the problem but he sure isn't the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 just gotta clean house. He may not be the problem but he sure isn't the solution. +1... clear things out at the top including the coaches... all of them. I hate holdovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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