AK-1 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Trevor Timmins Position: Director of Player Recruitment and Development Trevor Timmins enters his 7th season as the Canadiens’ Director of Player Recruitment and Development. He is primarily responsible for overseeing and directing the Canadiens’ amateur scouting system including the annual NHL Entry Draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopII Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Anyone have a list of players he drafted since he was hired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I belive from 2000 to 2003 was Andre Savard http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr000045.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I think he started in 2004. Every player who is currently in nhl are: Kyle Chipchura Mikhail Grabovski Greg Stewart Mark Streit Carey Price Guillaume Latendresse Matt D'Agostini Sergei Kostitsyn Max Pacioretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I think he started in 2004. Every player who is currently in nhl are: Kyle Chipchura Mikhail Grabovski Greg Stewart Mark Streit Carey Price Guillaume Latendresse Matt D'Agostini Sergei Kostitsyn Max Pacioretty Now how to rate this list. Kyle Chipchura (drafted 1st rd in 2004 - still a work in progress) Mikhail Grabovski (traded to Toronto) Greg Stewart (Press Box player most nights) Mark Streit (let go as a FA) Carey Price (struggling to find his form) Guillaume Latendresse (a work in progress though he is getting better) Matt D'Agostini (is he NHL ready???) Sergei Kostitsyn (most likely to be traded) Max Pacioretty (needs more work on the farm) I have not been impressed with the draft the past two years either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Now how to rate this list. Kyle Chipchura (drafted 1st rd in 2004 - still a work in progress) Mikhail Grabovski (traded to Toronto) Greg Stewart (Press Box player most nights) Mark Streit (let go as a FA) Carey Price (struggling to find his form) Guillaume Latendresse (a work in progress though he is getting better) Matt D'Agostini (is he NHL ready???) Sergei Kostitsyn (most likely to be traded) Max Pacioretty (needs more work on the farm) I have not been impressed with the draft the past two years either. 4 and possibly 5 career AHLers on that list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 4 and possibly 5 career AHLers on that list He and his team has not instilled me with much faith at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I have not been impressed with the draft the past two years either. What was wrong with the 09 draft? It wasn't amazing, but it was at least an average pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 I think he started in 2004. Every player who is currently in nhl are: Kyle Chipchura Mikhail Grabovski Greg Stewart Mark Streit Carey Price Guillaume Latendresse Matt D'Agostini Sergei Kostitsyn Max Pacioretty When Mark Streit is your better pick so far..... yeah lol. I don't think ill ever forgive him for the Andrei Kostitsyn pick over Ryan Getzlaf, Jeff Carter and Zach Parise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 When Mark Streit is your better pick so far..... yeah lol. I don't think ill ever forgive him for the Andrei Kostitsyn pick over Ryan Getzlaf, Jeff Carter and Zach Parise. Its nor just your SD though that makes the pick, hes has a large input but especially in a 1st round pick, Gainey and Gauthier do have influence as well as other scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Its nor just your SD though that makes the pick, hes has a large input but especially in a 1st round pick, Gainey and Gauthier do have influence as well as other scouts. Still, you have your words, im okay with people not "spotting" 1 player of exception or 2.... but 3 in the same year ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Still, you have your words, im okay with people not "spotting" 1 player of exception or 2.... but 3 in the same year ? You also forget Richards, but Carter and Getz were hard to project at the time, Getz did have offensive ability but nobody projected the kind of output he has today. Carter was showing signs, but he also had soem intangible problems that made some worry if he could translate well to the next level, and it origiginally was like that. I mean Carter cracked the NHL only at age 21 and had to be kept in Juniors for a full term. His age 21 season he had a .28 GPG and .52 PPG with 12:04 of ice time. A comparable? Latendresse in his age 21 season last year had a .25 GPG and .46 PPG with 13:137 of ice time. I'm not calling Gui the next Carter, but Jeff struggled a lot to start his career, and many worried if he was indeed the bust many projected him to be. He had attitude issues and off-ice problems. Even in the next 2 seasons his scoring rates were terrible in relation to his icetime for. Last season he was great, but really asides from last season 07-08 was just a good year for him but nothing spectacular. There was no reason not to take Parise though, size be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekHockeyCoach Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 You also forget Richards, but Carter and Getz were hard to project at the time, Getz did have offensive ability but nobody projected the kind of output he has today. Carter was showing signs, but he also had soem intangible problems that made some worry if he could translate well to the next level, and it origiginally was like that. I mean Carter cracked the NHL only at age 21 and had to be kept in Juniors for a full term. His age 21 season he had a .28 GPG and .52 PPG with 12:04 of ice time. A comparable? Latendresse in his age 21 season last year had a .25 GPG and .46 PPG with 13:137 of ice time. I'm not calling Gui the next Carter, but Jeff struggled a lot to start his career, and many worried if he was indeed the bust many projected him to be. He had attitude issues and off-ice problems. Even in the next 2 seasons his scoring rates were terrible in relation to his icetime for. Last season he was great, but really asides from last season 07-08 was just a good year for him but nothing spectacular. There was no reason not to take Parise though, size be damned. Good post. I agree with everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 You also forget Richards, but Carter and Getz were hard to project at the time, Getz did have offensive ability but nobody projected the kind of output he has today. Carter was showing signs, but he also had soem intangible problems that made some worry if he could translate well to the next level, and it origiginally was like that. Your kidding me right? Andrei Kostitsyn suffers from nocturnal temporal lobe epilepsy, hows that for a project? Not only you have to get him to play well but you have to make sure he stays healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Your kidding me right? Andrei Kostitsyn suffers from nocturnal temporal lobe epilepsy, hows that for a project? Not only you have to get him to play well but you have to make sure he stays healthy. That's why he slid to the Habs, he was a projected top 3-5 talent in one of the best drafts ever if fully healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 That's why he slid to the Habs, he was a projected top 3-5 talent in one of the best drafts ever if fully healthy. Kostitsyn is a world class talent, he should have went top 5 in that draft. now if he could ever figure himself out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 lol Kostitsyn an elite player ? Please... when did he ever show us that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioHab Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 lol Kostitsyn an elite player ? Please... when did he ever show us that. You are absolutely right, never that's when. I don't understand all of this talk about AK being so "elite" at all. To me he is a better than average player with upside and how far that upside goes is still way up in the air. Elite players are game breakers and players that the opposition fears will take over and make you look silly on the ice. AK does not by any stretch fit that description. Elite players are maybe 4-5 guys per generation not guys that "should have gone top 5". The Great One, Mario, Lafleur, Ovechkin, Crosby, Rocket, (and lets see how this sounds) AK... ...I don't think so! AK may turn out to be a GOOD player for us, perhaps a solid first liner (if we are lucky) but lets stop kidding ourselves about how elite he is. Please no one get me wrong here, I like the guy, I really do, but lets just be a little more realistic. *edit* Otherwise we are just setting him up for failure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werzoth Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Actually Trevor Timmins was appointed to his position in 2002-2003. He participated in his first NHL draft with the Canadiens in 2003. Here's a better list of players : 2003 - Andrei Kostitsyn 2003 - Jaroslav Halak 2003 - Ryan O'Byrne 2003 - Maxim Lapierre 2004 - Kyle Chipchura 2004 - Mark Streit (was traded) 2004 - Gregory Stewart 2004 - Mikhail Grabovski (was traded) 2004 - Alexei Yemelin (he'd probably be playing in NHL if he had not stayed in Russia) 2005 - Sergei Kostitsyn 2005 - Matt D'Agostini 2005 - Guillaume Latendresse 2005 - Carey Price 2007 - Max Pacioretty 2007 - Ryan McDonagh (was traded) Hamilton - Interesting prospects 2006 - Ben Maxwell 2006 - Mathieu Carle 2007 - Yannick Weber 2007 - P.K. Subban Overall I think he did a great job. Sure we missed some players but this is not a perfect science. If you compare those picks with the years before, it's a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Overall I think he did a great job. Sure we missed some players but this is not a perfect science. If you compare those picks with the years before, it's a lot better. Please elaborate why you think he's done a great job I think they are all basically 3rd , 4th liners nothing special And Price just happened to be a lottery pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Please elaborate why you think he's done a great job I think they are all basically 3rd , 4th liners nothing special And Price just happened to be a lottery pick I agree with that being said I asked in another thread how much of it is scouting and how much is player development? For example, we took Kostitsyn 1 pick over Jeff Carter, switch the teams, say we took Carter is he the same caliber of player right now? Is Kostitsyn struggling like this in Philly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werzoth Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Please elaborate why you think he's done a great job I think they are all basically 3rd , 4th liners nothing special And Price just happened to be a lottery pick We don't have the luxury of drafting in the top, the first choices are usually solid players but the late choices in the first round are mostly luck picks usually. It's pretty hard to find a gem late in the draft, and usually it ends up being a surprise. The real thing is we did get players that made it to the nhl and helped the club. We also found some late rounds gems. It also gives us some exchange power for trades, every team want young prospects and we do have several. It's easy to talk 2-4-6 years after a player is drafted and say oh we missed this and this. The thing is, you have to choose during the draft who to pick, not 5 years later. You don't know how the player is going to develop at the time you choose him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHAB Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 I am not impressed by what he has done either. The year we picked Chipchura we could've had Zajac or Mike Green!! Though admittedly nobody could've predicted Mike Green's developement, it seems evident that Chipchura was a bad choice. Travis Zajac over Chipchura any day!! Zajac going at 24-7-15-22 and Kyle is at 18-0-0-0!!!! I just really hoping for PK Subban to develope into the player I think he can be - he's loads of potential imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 I am not impressed by what he has done either. The year we picked Chipchura we could've had Zajac or Mike Green!! Though admittedly nobody could've predicted Mike Green's developement, it seems evident that Chipchura was a bad choice. Travis Zajac over Chipchura any day!! Zajac going at 24-7-15-22 and Kyle is at 18-0-0-0!!!! I just really hoping for PK Subban to develope into the player I think he can be - he's loads of potential imo. You can say this with almost every pick that every team makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Heck anything would have been better then chipchura, trade that 1st round pick for anything would have been a upgrade O well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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