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I don't think so

always injured

If we buy out George Laraque contract and offer like 1-1.5 million to Forsberg, i could care less to be honest.

The cap hit would be either .250 or .750 more than right now and we would have 35 games with Forsberg on our team instead of a George Laraque ?

Anytime.

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You cannot buyout contracts this time of year. Where have you been! :angry:

Yes you could.

ARTICLE 11

Rules and Procedures Governing Standard Player's Contract

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11.18 Ordinary Course Buy-Outs Outside the Regular Period.

Clubs shall have the right to exercise Ordinary Course Buy-Outs outside the regular period for Ordinary Course Buy-Outs in accordance with Paragraph 13©(ii) of the SPC. Each Club shall be limited to no more than three (3) such buyouts over the term of this Agreement pursuant to Paragraph 13©(ii) of the SPC. However, in the event that a Club has only one salary arbitration hearing pursuant to Section 12.3(a) in a given League Year, such Club shall not be entitled to exercise such a buyout outside the regular period for Ordinary Course Buy-Outs. No Club shall exercise an Ordinary Course Buy-out outside the regular period for any Player earning less than $1 million.

And if you go deeper in the CBA and read the related paragraph (12.3 and 13) it's so vague that im sure that you could do it if you wanted to.

And i don't see why the NHLPA would be against this because their player is getting paid anyway.

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Technically ...Isn't Laraque injured and so you cannot buy him out. ;)

Though this may be the case there is still the possibility of LTIR... and if he does not have a non-movement clause the possibility of sending him to Hamilton to get back in shape (playing condition) could be there. If he has to clear waivers and is snatched up I'm almost certain many will breath a sigh of relief... if not he can stay there :o

On Foppa (why this name?), BG would not be doing his job, IMO, if he didn't at least delve into the possibility of acquiring him. He can still make the Habs a better team for the duration (if indeed his serious injury problems are in check).

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I would have said no at this time last year, but after reading quite a few credible sources saying he's back to full strength, I might be tempted.

If we could bring him in at a 3rd line salary (its a risk for us as much as him) and expect to play him 3rd line minutes...then where's the harm? So metro doesnt get as much ice time? So a current centre has to move to the wing?

Id at least kick some tires.

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Though this may be the case there is still the possibility of LTIR... and if he does not have a non-movement clause the possibility of sending him to Hamilton to get back in shape (playing condition) could be there. If he has to clear waivers and is snatched up I'm almost certain many will breath a sigh of relief... if not he can stay there :o

Players on conditioning stints do not have to clear waivers when they return.

But no to Foppa... He has too many foot problems.

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I would have said no at this time last year, but after reading quite a few credible sources saying he's back to full strength, I might be tempted.

If we could bring him in at a 3rd line salary (its a risk for us as much as him) and expect to play him 3rd line minutes...then where's the harm? So metro doesnt get as much ice time? So a current centre has to move to the wing?

Id at least kick some tires.

Peter Frosberg expected offers between $4 and $5 million

“The 36-year-old has stated in the past that if he returns to the NHL he'd like to play for the Avalanche, however it's believed he's willing to entertain offers from any club.

Providing he makes his return to the NHL, Forsberg is expected to sign with a Stanley Cup contender.

He will be ineligible for action, however, if he plays any games overseas past Oct. 1.

In 706 career NHL games with Quebec/Colorado, Philadelphia and Nashville, Forsberg has accumulated 249 goals and 636 assists for 885 points, along with 686 penalty minutes.”

[ From the Editor] David Pagnotta

There are a number of teams that would love to get their hands on Foppa. The Flyers, Canadians, Canucks, Rangers and Predators are among those clubs. No offers have been dished out yet, but things will definitely pick up significant steam after Forsberg’s next game. ( tonight)

From CapGeek, available cap space

Montreal;$2,777,109. 22players signed

Philadelphia; $ 2,080,418. 23 players signed

Vancouver; minus $ 1,984,999. 23 players signed

New York; $ 767,502. 22 players signed

Nashville; $ 13,391,667. 23 players signed

Colorado; $ 7,024,167. 24 players signed

Assuming we in the auction, It’s hard to believe a offer of $2 million would win the auction, if he is looking at $4-5 million. And the other question, are the Habs a contender??? I don’t think so, more like a 5-10 finish. we are still missing 2-3 key players. Forsberg is a start and would be a great pickup even at age 36.

Nashville usually has a self imposed cap . Colorado has the money but not a cup team

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Peter Frosberg expected offers between $4 and $5 million

“The 36-year-old has stated in the past that if he returns to the NHL he'd like to play for the Avalanche, however it's believed he's willing to entertain offers from any club.

Providing he makes his return to the NHL, Forsberg is expected to sign with a Stanley Cup contender.

He will be ineligible for action, however, if he plays any games overseas past Oct. 1.

In 706 career NHL games with Quebec/Colorado, Philadelphia and Nashville, Forsberg has accumulated 249 goals and 636 assists for 885 points, along with 686 penalty minutes.”

[ From the Editor] David Pagnotta

There are a number of teams that would love to get their hands on Foppa. The Flyers, Canadians, Canucks, Rangers and Predators are among those clubs. No offers have been dished out yet, but things will definitely pick up significant steam after Forsberg’s next game. ( tonight)

From CapGeek, available cap space

Montreal;$2,777,109. 22players signed

Philadelphia; $ 2,080,418. 23 players signed

Vancouver; minus $ 1,984,999. 23 players signed

New York; $ 767,502. 22 players signed

Nashville; $ 13,391,667. 23 players signed

Colorado; $ 7,024,167. 24 players signed

Assuming we in the auction, It’s hard to believe a offer of $2 million would win the auction, if he is looking at $4-5 million. And the other question, are the Habs a contender??? I don’t think so, more like a 5-10 finish. we are still missing 2-3 key players. Forsberg is a start and would be a great pickup even at age 36.

Nashville usually has a self imposed cap . Colorado has the money but not a cup team

accoriding to nhlnumbers.com the flyers are almost 3m over the cap. besides, they have a lot of good centers and i don't see forsberg fitting in their plans...

if gainey could sign him for 1 year 2m it would be great.

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If he's healthy i would take him in a heartbeat. The question is ,,,,can we offer a competitive enough contract to get him in a Habs jersey??? My gut feeling to this question is NO. We can dream though.

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Peter Frosberg expected offers between $4 and $5 million

“The 36-year-old has stated in the past that if he returns to the NHL he'd like to play for the Avalanche, however it's believed he's willing to entertain offers from any club.

Expecting & getting are 2 different things - especially when you leave it until october. By all reports, Tanguay was "expecting" a lot more than what he got.

But anyway, my point is still the same: if you can get him for like $2m maybe $2.5m max, you dont lose any players - then great. do it.

If we have to move players, dump salary, buy off guys, bury youngsters in the minors etc, just to take on a $4m salary on a guy who is still a big question mark, then no. I wouldnt do it. I dont even think Id move BGL to free up cap space because at least with Laracque you have a niche player. With forsburg, we dont know how it will pan out & its a big risk to dump players to make room for a guy who may never play 20 games for you.

Im sure Gainey has made enquiries & if the price is right, will sign him. Id be willing to bet the odds are 90% + that the price is NOT right though. ;)

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something I think people are forgetting:

from NHLSCAP ..

General waivers guidelines

5. Players who start the NHL season in Europe, then sign to play in the NHL must clear waivers prior to joining the team they signed with.

The Islanders got burned last year when they signed goalie Wade Dubielewicz (after Dipietro went down) who had been playing in the KHL. He was claimed on waivers by the Blue Jackets.

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something I think people are forgetting:

from NHLSCAP ..

General waivers guidelines

5. Players who start the NHL season in Europe, then sign to play in the NHL must clear waivers prior to joining the team they signed with.

The Islanders got burned last year when they signed goalie Wade Dubielewicz (after Dipietro went down) who had been playing in the KHL. He was claimed on waivers by the Blue Jackets.

But has the NHL season officially started yet?? ;)

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Expecting & getting are 2 different things - especially when you leave it until october. By all reports, Tanguay was "expecting" a lot more than what he got.

But anyway, my point is still the same: if you can get him for like $2m maybe $2.5m max, you dont lose any players - then great. do it.

If we have to move players, dump salary, buy off guys, bury youngsters in the minors etc, just to take on a $4m salary on a guy who is still a big question mark, then no. I wouldnt do it. I dont even think Id move BGL to free up cap space because at least with Laracque you have a niche player. With forsburg, we dont know how it will pan out & its a big risk to dump players to make room for a guy who may never play 20 games for you.

Im sure Gainey has made enquiries & if the price is right, will sign him. Id be willing to bet the odds are 90% + that the price is NOT right though. ;)

I have no problem sharing your thinking relative to ‘expected’, and often believe ‘player agents’ start rumors on expected monies. However, when there is more than one team interested, it becomes a auction, example; look at the Sundin situation last year.

I think he plays left wing, that would mean some adjusting to accommodate him. I’m not as concerned with his injury history as you seem to be. I’m sure any contract will be dependent on a team doctor’s approval. ( something we should have done with Laraque) Most of Forsberg’s injury history comes from his combative style of play, perhaps at 36 he has mellowed some.

My feeling, even at $4 million for 1 year, he would be worth it.

I think his deadline is after tonight game, until Wednesday prior to Oct.1st. so the waiver problems would not come into effect.

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I think he plays left wing, that would mean some adjusting to accommodate him. I’m not as concerned with his injury history as you seem to be. I’m sure any contract will be dependent on a team doctor’s approval. ( something we should have done with Laraque) Most of Forsberg’s injury history comes from his combative style of play, perhaps at 36 he has mellowed some.

My feeling, even at $4 million for 1 year, he would be worth it.

his right foot is a big issue. He tried a comeback last year with Modo and quit after 2 games saying he had problems with the surgically repaired foot. same issue when he last played in the NHL.

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I have no problem sharing your thinking relative to ‘expected’, and often believe ‘player agents’ start rumors on expected monies. However, when there is more than one team interested, it becomes a auction, example; look at the Sundin situation last year.

I dont disagree. I guess my point is that I personally would NOT get into a bidding war for a guy who may very well be damaged goods.

I think he plays left wing, that would mean some adjusting to accommodate him.

I think he did play that last year with modo (and maybe a year ago in colorado) but he's traditionally (ie for about 15 years) been a centre. I dont see why he wouldnt go back to that position?

I’m not as concerned with his injury history as you seem to be. I’m sure any contract will be dependent on a team doctor’s approval. ( something we should have done with Laraque) Most of Forsberg’s injury history comes from his combative style of play, perhaps at 36 he has mellowed some.

Maybe he has mellowed, I dont know - all I do know is that the last time he played a full nhl season was 1995-1996. In 2002 he played 75 games & otherwise he's been lucky to break 40. He's an all-world talent when he's healthy but can he remain that way? Yes, his foot problem may be solved but thats only the most recent ailment.

Again, i would LOVE to have him on my team but only if he was a secondary help.

My feeling, even at $4 million for 1 year, he would be worth it.

If we had $4m left, Id agree. right now we'd have to move players to fit him in & I dont think thats a good plan.

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I dont disagree. I guess my point is that I personally would NOT get into a bidding war for a guy who may very well be damaged goods.

I think he did play that last year with modo (and maybe a year ago in colorado) but he's traditionally (ie for about 15 years) been a centre. I dont see why he wouldnt go back to that position?

Maybe he has mellowed, I dont know - all I do know is that the last time he played a full nhl season was 1995-1996. In 2002 he played 75 games & otherwise he's been lucky to break 40. He's an all-world talent when he's healthy but can he remain that way? Yes, his foot problem may be solved but thats only the most recent ailment.

Again, i would LOVE to have him on my team but only if he was a secondary help.

If we had $4m left, Id agree. right now we'd have to move players to fit him in & I dont think thats a good plan.

I still agree with you on most points, I just have this need to second guess myself, and say “what if” And now that you tell me he plays center, I’m thinking ‘what if’ again ,and is it really that much of a gamble for a world class player even if we don’t agree on the contract.

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