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Kovalev, 3 goals and 1 assist in 8 games.

Koivu, 1 goal and 1 assists in 8 games.

Tanguay, no goals, 2 assists in 8 games.

Higgins, no goals, 2 assists, 10 games.

Lang, 1 goal, 2 assists in 8 games.

Komisarek, no points, -4 and 23 penalty minutes in 7 games.

Steve Begin, 2 goals and 4 assists in 9 games.

Bouillon, no points, -3 and 6 penalty minutes in 9 games.

Dandeneault, Schneider have yet to play a game.

Basically, Begin is playing really well!

Lang is playing at his expected pace.

Kovalev is playing a little below his expected pace.

Koivu, Tanguay, Higgins and Komisarek are all playing much worse than one might expect.

Bouillon, I can't tell.

Dandeneault and Schneider want to play but aren't.

Overall it looks very bad. The sample size is not small. It may only be ~8 games a player, but it's several players.

E.G. Putting Tanguay-Koivu-Kovalev-Higgins-Lang together,

42 games played, 5 goals, 8 assists.

[i'm an astrophysicist, we like to "stack" data :-) ]

QUESTION:

What does this say, if anything, about the Habs organization?

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For the sake of comparison,

2 goals, 3 assists in 9 games for Gomez.

4 goals, no assists, in 9 games for Gionta

2 goals, 5 assists in 9 games for Cammy.

Overall, 8 goals, 8 assists in 27 games. A clip of 0.6 ppg. About twice as good as the 0.3 ppg of the players listed above. Still not good enough for a legitimate first line, but close enough that small sample size and the adaptation to a new system can be considered as valid excuses.

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well thats pretty much why we did what we did isnt it? out of all those players i only miss koivu and kovalev...and even at that koivu is on the downside of his career and im personally much happier with gomez. the numbers seem to bear that out. kovy i really miss. even though gionta is putting up the same numbers roughly, and likely will all year, i wish we had both. imagine the team with kovy rounding out the 2nd line? goosebumps. tanguay is kinda the same thing, i would have loved to have had him back for the 2nd line, and being that he signed for so little its kind of frustrating but his karma is that he gets to rot in tampa.

higgins...komi...no problems there for me. lang was awesome, but again hes old and going forward it doesnt make sense to have him back.

dandy might have been a better idea than hal gill but i guess the thinking was gill is a more experienced d and a big body

schneider i actually miss too lol, i wish he would have came back at a bargain price much like tanguay.

begin....we should never have traded in the first place. glad to see hes doing so well

all in all though i think we made good moves in the offseason, and have better guys this year.

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Kovalev has the same number of points (4) as Gionta but he's played one less game. How exactly does that make him 'struggling'?

Gionta has four goals and plays his heart out shift after shift , game after game, KOvalev has 1 and hardly showed up yet this year.

Give me 4 goals(Gionta) over 1 goal(Kovy) anyday.

Nice lil negative twist there minotaur but Kovy is gone, time to get over it

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Gionta has four goals and plays his heart out shift after shift , game after game, KOvalev has 1 and hardly showed up yet this year.

Give me 4 goals(Gionta) over 1 goal(Kovy) anyday.

Nice lil negative twist there minotaur but Kovy is gone, time to get over it

Kovalev actually has 3 goals...

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Gionta has four goals and plays his heart out shift after shift , game after game, KOvalev has 1 and hardly showed up yet this year.

Give me 4 goals(Gionta) over 1 goal(Kovy) anyday.

Nice lil negative twist there minotaur but Kovy is gone, time to get over it

I'd take Gionta over Kovalev any day hands down no contest. Heart > Talent!

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The issue isn't whether Gionta is better than Kovalev. The issue is why we consider one player with 4 points in 8 GP to be 'struggling,' while another with 4 points in 9 GP is one of our best players and should be named captain, according to many.

I think you're reading other people's posts into my own :-)

I wrote:

Kovalev is playing a little below his expected pace.

Which is technically correct, his expected pace for 8 games is 6 points :-)

The word "struggling" was meant as a collective adjective, as only by merging the players stats does the small number excuse wash away.

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Tonight:

1 assist from Robert Lang

nothing from Kovalev and Begin

nothing from Higgins

nothing from Komisarek

Koivu's game begins right about now.

3 goals 1 assist for Cammy

2 assists for Gomez

2 assists for Gionta

Updated stats, not including the upcoming Anaheim game:

Putting Tanguay-Koivu-Kovalev-Higgins-Lang together,

45 games played, 5 goals, 9 assists, 14 points

Cammy-Gomez-Gionta

30 games played, 11 goals, 13 assists, 24 points

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The issue isn't whether Gionta is better than Kovalev. The issue is why we consider one player with 4 points in 8 GP to be 'struggling,' while another with 4 points in 9 GP is one of our best players and should be named captain, according to many.

Because Gionta puts in about 1000% more effort than Kovalev does, and plays a much stronger defensive game as well. Also, I find it very strange that you're praising Gionta's line in the gameday thread, yet disparaging it here and in the "State of the Habs" thread.

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The issue isn't whether Gionta is better than Kovalev. The issue is why we consider one player with 4 points in 8 GP to be 'struggling,' while another with 4 points in 9 GP is one of our best players and should be named captain, according to many.

Because like I said before minotaur hockey isnt just about how many points you get. You just dont hand the captaincy

to the player with the most points, the captain should be a leader on and off the ice, shows up game in game out,knows

the game inside and out, knows how to handle the pressure(refs,media,fans etc.), and if hes one of/the leading scorers

on the team good, great ,grand, thats just a bonus. Gionta has shown so far that he could be capable of those duties

and maybe will be the captain here very shortly, i for one say give it to him.

Gionta over Kovy any day by the way!!

Go Habs Go

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QUESTION:

What does this say, if anything, about the Habs organization?

Nothing, its 8 games, too small a sample.

Not true.

9 games, but with multiple players over different teams.

Putting Tanguay-Koivu-Kovalev-Higgins-Lang together,

46 games played, 5 goals, 10 assists, 15 points

9 games individually, but 46 games togethers. The statistical relevance is probably on the order of ~21 games (9.2 times the square root of 5). Add the fact it's not just below the point expectation of (30?) points, but significantly below.

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Not true.

9 games, but with multiple players over different teams.

Putting Tanguay-Koivu-Kovalev-Higgins-Lang together,

46 games played, 5 goals, 10 assists, 15 points

9 games individually, but 46 games togethers. The statistical relevance is probably on the order of ~21 games (9.2 times the square root of 5). Add the fact it's not just below the point expectation of (30?) points, but significantly below.

In a general standpoint, then yes I agree, but on a case by case I can't say anything about any of those players.

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I think you're reading other people's posts into my own :-)

I wrote:

Which is technically correct, his expected pace for 8 games is 6 points :-)

The word "struggling" was meant as a collective adjective, as only by merging the players stats does the small number excuse wash away.

Sorry, champ, I missed that part of your post. My apologies.

The problem with these sample sizes can be exemplified by the fact that Steve Begin is on fire, while Saku is struggling and Kovalev is a bit below average. Over 82 games, does anyone seriously think that Begin is going to out-pace either Saku or Kovy?

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doesn't matter what Kovalev is doing in Ottawa. I don't care if he ends the year with 30 points. I still believe signing him back would be the answer to a lot of the Habs problems (one top 6 forward short, PP inconsistent, no captain, AK struggling, SK rebelling etc etc)

Nope, in my opinion that is a bad idea. I like that we have that vacancy, gives the younger scoring threats something to work for. If you have Kovy on this roster, he easily slides onto the second line with Pleks and Kostitsyn, then you slow the developement of Dags and Patches!

MMW, this team, sans Markov will be right in the middle of the pack come February then once we get Marky back look out, we may make a run for Top three in the Conference!

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