Kubby31 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Bring back Souray. Its a logical move - Adds Size, Strength, and Scoring from the blueline and unlike so many others on this team adds a strong work ethic. He's a natural fit on Montreal's powerplay and should never have left! From thefourthperiod.com The Edmonton Oilers could be trying to trade veteran defenseman Sheldon Souray and his $5.4 million cap hit, reports the Ottawa Sun. According to the paper, the Oilers are shopping Souray, who has a no-trade clause and would have to approve any deal the team tries to make. Souray, 32, has three-years left on his current contract. The Sun claims Souray was offered as part of a four-player trade to an unidentified Eastern Conference team. The Oilers have reportedly shown interest in Montreal Canadiens forwards Andrei and Sergei Kostitsyn, and the Sun reported earlier in the season that the Habs and Oilers were discussing a trade involving Edmonton center Andrew Cogliano. The SCORE is now reporting this same rumour......somethings in the works here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewraras Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Souray is all shot, no defense. There's no need to bring him back here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRETZKYANDGRAF Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 If Bob ends up trading the brothers for Souray... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 When has the Ottawa Sun ever been right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29Dryden29 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Souray is all shot, no defense. There's no need to bring him back here. I agree other than his cannon from the blue line he has nothing he is a pylon people complain about MAB back there I can remember Souray looking like a big orange cone on way more occasions. Ya he is tough but he also seems to be hurt quite a bit over the last couple years since we didn't bring him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamkennelly Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 how bout this one AK SK BGL for Souray Stortini Cogliano I think we end up with a better team as a result....not sure about the math but can't be too bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtlhabsfan_mtl Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 The only player I would give up for Souray is MAB and maybe BGL, otherwise no thanks if were trading for defensmen I want them to be able to play defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiprusoffk Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Id take Souray back in a heartbeat!!!! this team needs some passion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordanjordan Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Id take Souray back in a heartbeat!!!! this team needs some passion Amen to that brother. Souray might of been a 1 dimensional player but the things he was able to do, he did them very well. If it werent for his recent injury problems i would take this guy back on this team anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinson-Souray Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Last year he played in 81 games, had 23 goals, 30 assists, 98 PIMS and was a plus one overall, playing over 25 minutes a game every night. When allowed to play his game in the proper system Souray is not a bad defender. The Oilers were brutal last year and he was still a plus player and was a force from the blueline. In comparison, Andrei Markov played in 78 games, had 12 goals, 52 assists, 36 PIMS and was a Minus 2 overall playing roughly about the same amount of ice time. And he was nominated for a Norris trophy. Apples and Oranges in their type of play but clearly not much separated them stats wise. Souray is better than anyone the Habs have on the blueline right now. Anyone. Better than Gorges, better than Mara, better than Gill, better than Bergeron and O'Byrne. He adds size, toughness, leadership and accountability to a team that is lacking in EVERY ONE of those departmants. Make the deal Gainey and bring Sheldon home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtlhabsfan_mtl Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Last year he played in 81 games, had 23 goals, 30 assists, 98 PIMS and was a plus one overall, playing over 25 minutes a game every night. When allowed to play his game in the proper system Souray is not a bad defender. The Oilers were brutal last year and he was still a plus player and was a force from the blueline. In comparison, Andrei Markov played in 78 games, had 12 goals, 52 assists, 36 PIMS and was a Minus 2 overall playing roughly about the same amount of ice time. And he was nominated for a Norris trophy. Apples and Oranges in their type of play but clearly not much separated them stats wise. Souray is better than anyone the Habs have on the blueline right now. Anyone. Better than Gorges, better than Mara, better than Gill, better than Bergeron and O'Byrne. He adds size, toughness, leadership and accountability to a team that is lacking in EVERY ONE of those departmants. Make the deal Gainey and bring Sheldon home. How much PK time did he avg. He scores a lot of goals to keep his +/- down or up however you wanna look at it. Plus minus isn't a very meaningful stat. How many of those 98 penalty mins were roughing(ie; punching someone in the head for no reason or crosschecking them in the face also for no reason). He is injury prone. The only thing that is Apple and Oranges is trying to compare Souray's Defensive game to Markov's. One is world class the other is third world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtlhabsfan_mtl Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Tried to add but the stupid Edit lasts like 30 seconds. He only had 82 Hits, 69 Blocked shots and 92 Giveaways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinson-Souray Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 How much PK time did he avg. He scores a lot of goals to keep his +/- down or up however you wanna look at it. Plus minus isn't a very meaningful stat. How many of those 98 penalty mins were roughing(ie; punching someone in the head for no reason or crosschecking them in the face also for no reason). He is injury prone. The only thing that is Apple and Oranges is trying to compare Souray's Defensive game to Markov's. One is world class the other is third world. Plus minus is an extremely meaningful stat when you're talking about a player that averaged between 25-30 mins per game. Its significant especially when you're a plus player on a terrible team (which Souray was). While Markov was a minus player on an average team last year. He had 4 Fighting Majors last year. Thats 20 Pims right there for you. I don't have a break down of every PIM after that but to have a player with 78 PIMS is rather small for the style of game that Souray plays. Souray has had injuries in the past but he's playing right now while Mr Markov is on the sidelines. Souray isn't as good as Markov defensively thats a given. Very few are. Souray is an offensive threat from the blueline, a legitimate goal scoring threat, and a guy who will make things happen on the powerplay. He plays physical and he looks after teammates something which Markov doesn't do at all... Again they bring two completely different styles to the table but each is important, thus the apples and oranges comment. Leadership, size, grit, toughness, accountability. Souray has them all and its exactly what the Habs need. Do you honestly think he's not better than anyone currently playing on the Habs blueline? (Markov being hurt is not playing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habcup Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 its a little crazy but here it goes to edmonton: kosty bros hamrlik dags to mtl penner souray Why would we want to make this trade? Hamrlik is by far our best Dman. Right know his salary looks like a bargain. The Titsbrothers are starting to come around nicely. Souray left here on his own because of his ego. He has a beauty of a shot (best in the league) but defensively he is a pilon. Penner, what is his salary again and what is his production? But he is big. this deal stinks! Id take Souray back in a heartbeat!!!! this team needs some passion It all depends on what is going the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habcup Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 How much PK time did he avg. He scores a lot of goals to keep his +/- down or up however you wanna look at it. Plus minus isn't a very meaningful stat. How many of those 98 penalty mins were roughing(ie; punching someone in the head for no reason or crosschecking them in the face also for no reason). He is injury prone. The only thing that is Apple and Oranges is trying to compare Souray's Defensive game to Markov's. One is world class the other is third world. Who cares about is PK time. He is a pp specialist. Roughing penalty by a Dman can be very good over a season. Makes the other players think twice about going to the net. I worry about those lazy penalties more Yes he is injury prone Souray would help with our Panzy status Hammer is a better Dman overall. the Hammer is carrying the D right now!!!! Can trade Hammer for Souray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habcup Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Plus minus is an extremely meaningful stat when you're talking about a player that averaged between 25-30 mins per game. Its significant especially when you're a plus player on a terrible team (which Souray was). While Markov was a minus player on an average team last year. He had 4 Fighting Majors last year. Thats 20 Pims right there for you. I don't have a break down of every PIM after that but to have a player with 78 PIMS is rather small for the style of game that Souray plays. Souray has had injuries in the past but he's playing right now while Mr Markov is on the sidelines. Souray isn't as good as Markov defensively thats a given. Very few are. Souray is an offensive threat from the blueline, a legitimate goal scoring threat, and a guy who will make things happen on the powerplay. He plays physical and he looks after teammates something which Markov doesn't do at all... Again they bring two completely different styles to the table but each is important, thus the apples and oranges comment. Leadership, size, grit, toughness, accountability. Souray has them all and its exactly what the Habs need. Do you honestly think he's not better than anyone currently playing on the Habs blueline? (Markov being hurt is not playing). I agree with everything you said almost. Hammer is better than Souray. Souray is injury prone even if Markov or his mother or whoever is hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infamousturk1907 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Souray would be exactly what we need, however we can't give up Hamrlik for him, like someone mentioned above Souray is a pilon defensively. He earns 5.5 mil a year, we can't afford that without giving up way too much. It's not realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownSugarl Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 When Souray left and Hamrlik came in, I was all for it. I still think it was an upgrade. I'll take a defensive defenceman with scoring capability over a -28 offensive defenceman any day. His cannon of a shot is impressive, sure, but opposition caught on pretty quick to keep the puck away from him on the PP. That being said, I could see him back in Montreal, but not in exchange for Hamrlik. It would be one step forward, two steps back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtlhabsfan_mtl Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Who cares about is PK time. He is a pp specialist. Roughing penalty by a Dman can be very good over a season. Makes the other players think twice about going to the net. I worry about those lazy penalties more Yes he is injury prone Souray would help with our Panzy status Hammer is a better Dman overall. the Hammer is carrying the D right now!!!! Can trade Hammer for Souray I have yet to figure out this whole multiquoting thing so I will just respond to you and Robison-Souray at the same time. I care about PK time as I'm sure JM would as well when he finds a 6'4 D-Man at practice. We already have a PP specialist in MAB. Or maybe some players might take the risk of getting punched in the face for a PP. And for some unlucky reason whenever he(Souray) would take a penalty when on the Habs the other team usually would score, and that is the same for last year in EMD. The most PP goals scored against EMD last season were while Souray was in the box for minor penalties. You can say they needed him out there to kill them off but A) he was in the box B.) we have all seen him kill penalties... not so hot. Can't argue that I would like some bigger players to push the other team around, but I would like some defensive skill along with that toughness. Yes I agree with you, but to Larry I would take 1 Hammer over 2 Sourays. And 1.0000001 hits a game is not the type of grit, toughness and whatever else you want to call it I want on my team. Plus 69 blocked shots for a 6 4' D-Man playing as you said 25-30 minutes for 81 games is IMO utterly pathetic. And I don't think we need to add an extra 90 givaways a season. If he wanted to be here he would be, he chose not to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 I have yet to figure out this whole multiquoting thing so I will just respond to you and Robison-Souray at the same time. At the bottom of each post....there's Multi-post with a green + sign....click on it,it'll turn to a red minus sign........you can click about 4 posts to relpy to......when you have click the ones you want to reply on,scrol down to the bottom of the page & click on ADD REPLY. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondalsf Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 At the bottom of each post....there's Multi-post with a green + sign....click on it,it'll turn to a red minus sign........you can click about 4 posts to relpy to......when you have click the ones you want to reply on,scrol down to the bottom of the page & click on ADD REPLY. Hope this helps. Thanks I was unsure as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtlhabsfan_mtl Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 At the bottom of each post....there's Multi-post with a green + sign....click on it,it'll turn to a red minus sign........you can click about 4 posts to relpy to......when you have click the ones you want to reply on,scrol down to the bottom of the page & click on ADD REPLY. Hope this helps. Thanks.... I'm always clicking the mutiquote on one post then another then try quote or fast reply, for some reason i never tried the add reply Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Thanks.... I'm always clicking the mutiquote on one post then another then try quote or fast reply, for some reason i never tried the add reply Thanks again. No problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcammalleri Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 No Souray unless one of Mara/Gill is going the other way. I won't trade Hammer for Souray straight up. I also won;t trade the Kostitsyn brothers for anything less than Cogliano+Penner. None of these would happen, so this trade rumour is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell75 Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I can't even believe we're talking about Souray. It looks like Plek and Cammy are a pair. It looks like Gomez and Gionta are a pair. We need some talented size for these guys. Dustin Penner would be a tremendous acquisition. If we could swap the Kostitsyns and Laraque (Oiler fans love Laraque) and whatever else they need within reason to do this deal I would do it asap. Andrew Cogliano = another small center we don't need. Penner-Gomez-Gionta Cammy-Plek-SomeonewithTalentandSize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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