Parenteau15 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 From CJAD and RDS's Twitter. Traded for a... 4th choice I remember. Edit: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I heard we got Bobby Ryan... JUST KIDDING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianMike Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Making room for (another) big trade? He went from one bad team to another...at least he will have the beautiful weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parenteau15 Posted December 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I heard we got Bobby Ryan... JUST KIDDING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axnguyen Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 What a pointless trade. Yay, a 4th rounder...and we cleared pretty much no salary, so this trade accomplishes nothing, except for losing a guy who was once considered next captain if the habs. I'm slowly losing faith in BG... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsinottawa Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 What a pointless trade. Yay, a 4th rounder...and we cleared pretty much no salary, so this trade accomplishes nothing, except for losing a guy who was once considered next captain if the habs. I'm slowly losing faith in BG... I'm not, if I remember right, last year there was alot of complaints about all the underachievers on this team. It seems Bob has no time for it anymore, so he's trying to get what he can for guys who aren't playing to expectation. Of course I don't think he will move the whole team, but he's sending a message Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I'm not, if I remember right, last year there was alot of complaints about all the underachievers on this team. It seems Bob has no time for it anymore, so he's trying to get what he can for guys who aren't playing to expectation. Of course I don't think he will move the whole team, but he's sending a message And the message is: "We can't draft properly or take the time to develop the players we do draft. At the first sign of things going wrong, I'll make panic patch moves to save my job. I have no long-term vision, and I can't manage the cap effectively. Were it not for the fact that I used to be a great player with the Montreal Canadiens, I'd probably already have been fired." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axnguyen Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 And the message is: "We can't draft properly or take the time to develop the players we do draft. At the first sign of things going wrong, I'll make panic patch moves to save my job. I have no long-term vision, and I can't manage the cap effectively. Were it not for the fact that I used to be a great player with the Montreal Canadiens, I'd probably already have been fired." QFT. Soooo frustrated with the lack of direction this team has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 You know those Windows 7 Commercials, Where the guy says the thing he wanted improved, and then says Microsoft Windows 7, I thought of it.. Well i thought of this one. Heck i was asking for a 5th rounder in return, but im SUPER Happy with the 4th rounder, 2011, 2050... Im surprised we got anything for him. It goes to show... Martin Really didnt like this kid, we all knew... Gainey had something lined up.. and after this horirble play -2 in under 2 minutes last night he pulled the trigger. Im starting to like Bg more and more What a pointless trade. Yay, a 4th rounder...and we cleared pretty much no salary, so this trade accomplishes nothing, except for losing a guy who was once considered next captain if the habs. I'm slowly losing faith in BG... -2 in under 2 mins, Martin was giving him 1-5 mins of ice per game. Martin has 0 confidence in this kid, I have less then 0 confidence in this kid, read my posts from this year, last year And the message is: "We can't draft properly or take the time to develop the players we do draft. At the first sign of things going wrong, I'll make panic patch moves to save my job. I have no long-term vision, and I can't manage the cap effectively. Were it not for the fact that I used to be a great player with the Montreal Canadiens, I'd probably already have been fired." Your kidding me???? We traded Chips for a 4th Round pick.. We only got a 2nd rounder for Huet. Guys This is a AMAZING trade. I dont even know whats wrong with some of you guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babinator77 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 And the message is: "We can't draft properly or take the time to develop the players we do draft. At the first sign of things going wrong, I'll make panic patch moves to save my job. I have no long-term vision, and I can't manage the cap effectively. Were it not for the fact that I used to be a great player with the Montreal Canadiens, I'd probably already have been fired." with all due respect weep, i completely disagree with your over-simplified version of the situation. chipchura was a solid pick who, due to injury or whatever, never developed into the player we all thought he would be. how is that gainey's fault? he had plenty of chances to prove himself. how you see this as a panic move is totally beyond me. this is simply clearing out an underachieving forward (in his last real shot at making the club) to make space for returning players while giving a shot to other prospects who are battling their butts off for a spot (in white and pyatt). i just don't see how this adds to your list of gainey complaints. i'm more disappointed in chipchura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Man... Read he Chipchura threa. This guy was dead weight, has never had 1 single good game as a montreal canadien.. We got a 4th rounder for him.... This 4th rounder we can use to trade or we can keep in our pocets and draft someone.. Heck im Sooo Surprised anyone was willing to take a chance on him, i thought he would be waived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 We traded Chips for a 4th Round pick.. We only got a 2nd rounder for Huet. Guys This is a AMAZING trade. I dont even know whats wrong with some of you guys with all due respect weep, i completely disagree with your over-simplified version of the situation. chipchura was a solid pick who, due to injury or whatever, never developed into the player we all thought he would be. how is that gainey's fault? he had plenty of chances to prove himself. how you see this as a panic move is totally beyond me. this is simply clearing out an underachieving forward (in his last real shot at making the club) to make space for returning players while giving a shot to other prospects who are battling their butts off for a spot (in white and pyatt). i just don't see how this adds to your list of gainey complaints. i'm more disappointed in chipchura. Nobody should be happy when the best we can for a former first-round pick is a fourth-round pick five years later. Flipping Chipchura isn't necessarily a bad move in and of itself. But the necessity of having to do it speaks volumes about the incompetence that has characterized the Gainey regime. Komisarek, Higgins, McDonagh, Chipchura, Perezhogin, first-rounder for Tanguay (who is no longer around) ... our success rate with turning first-round picks into core components of this team is abysmal. We can cheer all we want about Chips leaving -- Lord knows I wasn't his biggest fan -- but there's a guy on our roster making $7.3 million who's on pace for less than 40 points this season. And who pulled the trigger on that trade? Oh, right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Weep we clear a roster spot, we get a pick I bet we pick up another player off of waiver who will be ALOT better then chipchura.. Just like we did with Metro... All of these teams are soo close to the cap, including us.. There will be bargain to be found.. Not as if CHips would have helped the team.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Weep we clear a roster spot, we get a pick Clear a roster spot for who? Oh, yes, Ryan White or Tom Pyatt. Plan the parade. I like both players, but really, if our success is that contingent on fourth-line players, it doesn't say much about our chances of making the playoffs. A fourth-round pick 2011 = maybe, if we're really lucky, a lower-tier roster player by 2015. Once again, plan that parade. I bet we pick up another player off of waiver who will be ALOT better then chipchura.. Really? And that player will somehow turn a terrible team into a contender? Why are we so happy to see our GM trading away homegrown talent for low-round picks or other teams' problem children? Don't you see that these trades do nothing but confirm that either our scouting, or our player development, or both, are in really poor shape? There is something very wrong when a team is this dependent on help from outside the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiLla Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 QFT. Soooo frustrated with the lack of direction this team has. Actually, the direction is pretty clear. Cut the deadweight and draft picks that haven't really progressed over the past 3 years and go for a on-the-fly rebuild via free agency. Higgins underachieved = gone Latendresse underachieved = gone Chipchura underachieved = gone I'm not saying I agree with the approach but that's the direction the organization has taken, which has also been confirmed during the Molson press conference. We are officially rebuilding and the ownership is apparently happy with it. I'm quite sure that there's more trades to come and I wouldn't be surprised to see both Kostitsyn's gone by the end of the year. Again, not saying I'm agreeing with it but it sure looks like Gainey is willing to replace the entire team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 And the message is: "We can't draft properly or take the time to develop the players we do draft. At the first sign of things going wrong, I'll make panic patch moves to save my job. I have no long-term vision, and I can't manage the cap effectively. Were it not for the fact that I used to be a great player with the Montreal Canadiens, I'd probably already have been fired." I disagree with this to a point. We messed up with the pick, no question, but as for not taking the time to develop young players - who are you talking about? Chips? He's had ample opportunity to show he can play in the NHL - he hasnt. Lats? He also was given lots of opportunities, but in his case, he was traded for another young player (hopefully with more upside) who also needs developing, so its not like we've dumped a "project" for a finished player of lesser quality. I think this move is more about Martin putting his stamp on the team than gainey. I appreciate your lack of patience with Gainey, but we do owe it to martin to give him more than 20+ games imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Nobody should be happy when the best we can for a former first-round pick is a fourth-round pick five years later. Flipping Chipchura isn't necessarily a bad move in and of itself. But the necessity of having to do it speaks volumes about the incompetence that has characterized the Gainey regime. Komisarek, Higgins, McDonagh, Chipchura, Perezhogin, first-rounder for Tanguay (who is no longer around) ... our success rate with turning first-round picks into core components of this team is abysmal. We can cheer all we want about Chips leaving -- Lord knows I wasn't his biggest fan -- but there's a guy on our roster making $7.3 million who's on pace for less than 40 points this season. And who pulled the trigger on that trade? Oh, right... I'd like to contrast this thread with the Guillaume Latendresse Traded one from last week. When it was announced that we got Benoit Puliot, the line was "don't expect any big things just because he was a first rounder. High draft position doesn't automatically mean he's going to be a great NHLer". Now, however, with Chipchura leaving it's "we gave up on a first round pick for a fourth-rounder five years later". If you want to look at it that way, take both trades together: an 18th pick (chips) and a 45th (Lats) for a (younger) 4th overall and a fourth rounder? Sounds pretty good to me All I'm saying is that I've got to agree with Bigsby on this one. Chipchura not panning out is all on Chipchura himself, not Gainey or management. To be sure, the rest of your post above has some valid criticisms on Gainey, but as far as this individual trade goes I've got to say it's a good move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I disagree with this to a point. We messed up with the pick, no question, but as for not taking the time to develop young players - who are you talking about? Chips? He's had ample opportunity to show he can play in the NHL - he hasnt. Lats? He also was given lots of opportunities, but in his case, he was traded for another young player (hopefully with more upside) who also needs developing, so its not like we've dumped a "project" for a finished player of lesser quality. I think this move is more about Martin putting his stamp on the team than gainey. I appreciate your lack of patience with Gainey, but we do owe it to martin to give him more than 20+ games imho. Latendresse was IMO never given a legitimate chance to show he could be a top-six winger. Twenty games into a poor season, we suddenly trade him for a guy who has proven even less at the NHL level? We couldn't give Lats a chance to work his way out of his slump? Grabovski, Ribeiro, Hainsey, Beauchemin, McDonagh (how do you draft a high school kid, then trade him after two years?), Perezhogin, etc. You can soon add Sergei's name to that list, as I have every doubt this organization will find a way to ruin him and make him glad when he's finally traded. But regardless, the point isn't really about specific players. It's about how crappy our player development is when we're all happy that we've managed to unload a former first-round draft choice for a fourth-round pick in 2011. Maybe I'm crazy, but I'd prefer to see our first-rounders turn into core components of our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Clear a roster spot for who? Oh, yes, Ryan White or Tom Pyatt. Plan the parade. I like both players, but really, if our success is that contingent on fourth-line players, it doesn't say much about our chances of making the playoffs. But who is saying that Ryan White or Tom Pyatt will bring us the cup? All some other posters have been saying, and I agree, is that we're better off giving playing time to them (who seem to be playing well and improving) than to Chips (who was doing neither). Again, I compeltely get that you're dissatisfied with how Gainey is running the team, and that's fine. But this particular move, while it's not going to win us the cup (will any one move do that?), is still a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Clear a roster spot for who? Oh, yes, Ryan White or Tom Pyatt. Plan the parade. I like both players, but really, if our success is that contingent on fourth-line players, it doesn't say much about our chances of making the playoffs. Yes and both of the players you named above are 100% better then chipchura. I dont understand what your trying to preech here... You thnk we should have kept Chips and continued to get scored on 1x per min of ice time he gets.. Just because he was a 1st round choice. You need to move on. Timmins / Bg Bad pick, we have pyatt + White who are alot better then chips. use them, until we find someone better.. Clear a roster spot for who? Oh, yes, Ryan White or Tom Pyatt. Plan the parade. I like both players, but really, if our success is that contingent on fourth-line players, it doesn't say much about our chances of making the playoffs. A fourth-round pick 2011 = maybe, if we're really lucky, a lower-tier roster player by 2015. Once again, plan that parade. Really? And that player will somehow turn a terrible team into a contender? Weep it sounds like you are expecting to the win the cup this year. I have bad News for you.. ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Latendresse was IMO never given a legitimate chance to show he could be a top-six winger. Twenty games into a poor season, we suddenly trade him for a guy who has proven even less at the NHL level? We couldn't give Lats a chance to work his way out of his slump? Grabovski, Ribeiro, Hainsey, Beauchemin, McDonagh (how do you draft a high school kid, then trade him after two years?), Perezhogin, etc. You can soon add Sergei's name to that list, as I have every doubt this organization will find a way to ruin him and make him glad when he's finally traded. But regardless, the point isn't really about specific players. It's about how crappy our player development is when we're all happy that we've managed to unload a former first-round draft choice for a fourth-round pick in 2011. Maybe I'm crazy, but I'd prefer to see our first-rounders turn into core components of our team. Beauchemin, we called up to play becasue of injuries, when we placed him back down to the ahl he was claimed.. Yes bad move, but... Not as if we gave up on him.. Riberio is a coke head.. better off with out him.. Mcdonagh hasnt proved anything. He could easily turn out like chips.. Big hype, and then NOTHING. Grabs-- come on now, your pulling At straws.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axnguyen Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Actually, the direction is pretty clear. Cut the deadweight and draft picks that haven't really progressed over the past 3 years and go for a on-the-fly rebuild via free agency. Higgins underachieved = gone Latendresse underachieved = gone Chipchura underachieved = gone I'm not saying I agree with the approach but that's the direction the organization has taken, which has also been confirmed during the Molson press conference. We are officially rebuilding and the ownership is apparently happy with it. I'm quite sure that there's more trades to come and I wouldn't be surprised to see both Kostitsyn's gone by the end of the year. Again, not saying I'm agreeing with it but it sure looks like Gainey is willing to replace the entire team. But what's the plan when the whole team, minus pleks, and cammy underachieves? Blow up the team and start from scratch? Oh wait, we just did that two months ago during our last direction change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Again, I compeltely get that you're dissatisfied with how Gainey is running the team, and that's fine. But this particular move, while it's not going to win us the cup (will any one move do that?), is still a good one. What he said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babinator77 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Nobody should be happy when the best we can for a former first-round pick is a fourth-round pick five years later. Flipping Chipchura isn't necessarily a bad move in and of itself. But the necessity of having to do it speaks volumes about the incompetence that has characterized the Gainey regime. Komisarek, Higgins, McDonagh, Chipchura, Perezhogin, first-rounder for Tanguay (who is no longer around) ... our success rate with turning first-round picks into core components of this team is abysmal. We can cheer all we want about Chips leaving -- Lord knows I wasn't his biggest fan -- but there's a guy on our roster making $7.3 million who's on pace for less than 40 points this season. And who pulled the trigger on that trade? Oh, right... unless that first round pick is coming your way. i'm not cheering that chipchura is gone. honestly, i could care less. with healthy bodies coming back i'm happy to keep white and pyatt and lose chipchura. i'm not pretending that they'll win the cup for us but chipchura can only be compared with fourth line players - and again i'll say that's chippers own fault - and so i'm satisfied. i won't talk about gomez in this thread because frankly i don't feel one has anything to do with the other and i would still make that trade today despite his point totals. what happened with higgins and komisarek is beyond me but i will not blame management for their lack of production. we still have patches, price and andrei. perhaps they're not the getlafs or kopitars of the league but i'm not giving up on them yet and i don't think mgmt is either. i won't argue that our drafting is picture perfect. it isn't. i wish we had better prospects coming up the ranks and i'm not timmins' biggest fan but i'm not going to call the gainey 'regime' a disaster either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Riberio is a coke head.. better off with out him.. Sure, what possible use could we have for a playmaking center who posted 78 and 81 points in his past two seasons? Mcdonagh hasnt proved anything. He could easily turn out like chips.. Big hype, and then NOTHING. But this is exactly my point. We're happy to trade assets that turn out to be busts because the man who orchestrates these trades is the same man who drafted these assets. Grabs-- come on now, your pulling At straws.. Really? Grabovski: 16 points (4/12) in 26 GP Gomez: 11 points (2/9) in 23 GP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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