SyrianHabsFan Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 striet is on a horrible team and he's kept his numbers pretty decent...56 last year and 36 to date this year...i just think that souray isnt the souray we had in mtl... yes but the islanders are on their way right now the only ones the oilers wouldnt trade are hemsky, penner and cogliano I agree, but he can be that souray again if used properly. He's still not doing THAT bad overall, souray had 53 points last year, including 23 goals. This season; however, 13 points in 39 games and -19 lol. yes but the oilers are having a horrible team and if you have no support you wont play good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carey_Price Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 no because he wouldnt be getting the ice time that would allow him to put up 60+ points...they have younger better dmen...its my opinon you dont have to agree with it also 3 seasons with edmonton...2 injury filled seasons... You raise a good point, and I agree with you. His poor defensive skills would cost him ice time in a good team like washington. But in an offensively struggling team like edmonton, where he does get ice time, he is helping them out and putting up points (despite the injury 2 seasons ago and this season). But if he was on a team like the habs, i could see him getting 50 points a season often. We've seen him work with Markov before and I don't see why they couldn't work their magic again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 I agree, but he can be that souray again if used properly. He's still not doing THAT bad overall, souray had 53 points last year, including 23 goals. This season; however, 13 points in 39 games and -19 lol. and another injury plagued season...all im saying is even if we paid 5 million for him if we only get one full season out of that contract its not worth it...people complain about gomez's salary and term lol...if souray can put 2-3 seasons of 70+ games and 50+ points ill eat my words...but im confident that wont happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyrianHabsFan Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 no because he wouldnt be getting the ice time that would allow him to put up 60+ points...they have younger better dmen...its my opinon you dont have to agree with it also 3 seasons with edmonton...2 injury filled seasons... well how is getting injured his fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carey_Price Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 and another injury plagued season...all im saying is even if we paid 5 million for him if we only get one full season out of that contract its not worth it...people complain about gomez's salary and term lol...if souray can put 2-3 seasons of 70+ games and 50+ points ill eat my words...but im confident that wont happen I think he would be able to if it weren't for all those injuries. But even if he could...still not worth 5 million a year. The man is directly the cause of at least half as many goals as he scores. And most probably indirectly responsible for more goals scored on his team than he actually scores him self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 yes but the islanders are on their way right now the only ones the oilers wouldnt trade are hemsky, penner and cogliano the islanders were disgustingly bad last year...they did end up with the 1st overall pick...lol...thats all im saying on it...i just dont think souray can put up consistent numbers anymore in terms of points and games played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carey_Price Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 well how is getting injured his fault It's not necessarily his fault, but the fact that he's injury prone still remains. That deffs reduces his value a lot and isn't worth the gamble even though he's capable of putting up points. Some players would be worth it (Gaborik) and Havlat (debatable)...but a poor defenseman with a nice shot like Souray worth 5 million? No way...I'm happy with Bergeron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyrianHabsFan Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 It's not necessarily his fault, but the fact that he's injury prone still remains. That deffs reduces his value a lot and isn't worth the gamble even though he's capable of putting up points. Some players would be worth it (Gaborik) and Havlat (debatable)...but a poor defenseman with a nice shot like Souray worth 5 million? No way...I'm happy with Bergeron. im not sayimg I do not like bergeron I'm just saying we should have resigned souray after that career year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 well how is getting injured his fault choosing to fight iginla and breaking his wrist is his fault...sorry, but that one is his fault... as for the others...thats my point...his body cant hand the physical play he has to endure game in game out anymore...he's turning 34 hes not young anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyrianHabsFan Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 choosing to fight iginla and breaking his wrist is his fault...sorry, but that one is his fault... as for the others...thats my point...his body cant hand the physical play he has to endure game in game out anymore...he's turning 34 hes not young anymore this picture doesnt agree http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2920/a3ih.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carey_Price Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 I'm pretty sure we all agree on Souray not being a good defenseman and having potential to score 50+ points IF he can remain healthy (but we all know he's injury prone looking back at his last 3 seasons). Only thing i see debatable in this is whether he's worth 5 million a year? In my opinion, I wouldn't give him more than i'd give MAB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carey_Price Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 im not sayimg I do not like bergeron I'm just saying we should have resigned souray after that career year I know, i hear ya. But he wasn't willing to take a low salary which is one of the main reasons he left (also the fact that he was having family issues). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyrianHabsFan Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 I'm pretty sure we all agree on Souray not being a good defenseman and having potential to score 50+ points IF he can remain healthy (but we all know he's injury prone looking back at his last 3 seasons). Only thing i see debatable in this is whether he's worth 5 million a year? In my opinion, I wouldn't give him more than i'd give MAB. well what souray would bring is expierience and he could help the rookies like subban, weber and carle develop their shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carey_Price Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 this picture doesnt agree http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2920/a3ih.jpg So he can take a hit in a fight (where he expects to get punched at a few times), but an in-game, unexpected hit, is very different from a one-on-one fight...you can't base his durability on that lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 this picture doesnt agree http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2920/a3ih.jpg that pic is also from when he was a hab...much younger http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/sports/photos...a-cp-100131.jpg this pic though...would agree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyrianHabsFan Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 So he can take a hit in a fight (where he expects to get punched at a few times), but an in-game, unexpected hit, is very different from a one-on-one fight...you can't base his durability on that lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In5fBCCza9A...feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyrianHabsFan Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 that pic is also from when he was a hab...much younger http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/sports/photos...a-cp-100131.jpg this pic though...would agree... well maybe he just cant fight ignla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carey_Price Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 well what souray would bring is expierience and he could help the rookies like subban, weber and carle develop their shot If they want to simply learn how to shoot, they can learn that from a good sniper like cammalleri...not from an experienced Dman with bad defensive skills like Souray. That's like saying Gill can be a good role-model for the young D (i'm talking about on the ice play), but he can't. If the kids had a choice, they'd rather choose Markov as a role model instead of Gill. So i'm pretty sure they can easily replace Souray with someone else like Cammi or Andrei Kostitysn, then learn defensive skills from Markov and Hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carey_Price Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In5fBCCza9A...feature=related Like i said....you can't base his durability on one-on-one fights. Base it on unexpected hits...if he gets injured from on ice hits, then he MAY not be durable. If he gets injured long-term from another hit which causes him to miss over half the season, then it's safe to say he's injury prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted April 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Souray Demands Trade http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2010/04/12/souray_request/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Souray Demands Trade http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2010/04/12/souray_request/ Wow, its not often that players say bad things about their current teams AND good things about their past experiences with the habs!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiLla Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 How about a Hamrlik for Souray plus a pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianMike Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Not surprised he wants a trade (I knew that), but very surprised by the interview. Why did he ever have to go? all those injuries maybe might not have happened to him. Will continue to support him no matter (alomst) where he ends up. (wondering who will take a chance on him now though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 How about a Hamrlik for Souray plus a pick? sure, if its this year's first rounder. Heck, Id even throw OUR first rounder in. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franck5890 Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Honestly, what ground does Souray have to stand on through all this? As stated, he clearly hasn't done anything himself to help the situation as he gave up on management as well. If I invested a boatload of money into the guy and he continually put himself into situations like the one that he's in (ie. he had season ending surgery because he broke a bone in his hand picking a fight with Iginla), I'd sure as heck be frustrated. The onus was really on Souray to show that he wanted to be there and wanted to fight back from the continuous setbacks, but the impression I get is that he didn't portray that desperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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