sebchenier Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 He speaks French Fluently though. After all its harder to learn a language then it is to become a really good GM. I don't understand why speaking french is such an important skill for the GM. Sam Pollock didn't speak french, did he? Yet it was forgiveable for him. The great coaches Scotty Bowman, Toe Blake, Dick Irvin... none of them spoke french. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIENS27 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Agreed. Either we get assets back for Pleks when his value is at a career high, or we get certainty at our center position going forward by locking him up. Second step: Finding someone to take Gomez off our hands. I'm serious. One thing Gauthier can and should do is start looking for tough players who can also play the game. Of course, that will not be easy for anyone. It does need to be a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Seems like a contradictory statement to me... how do you rave about something you never heard about? And how can we know if what was proposed and denied were actually good hockey deals for the team? I know what you're saying, Brian, but I think Engels is implying that those "in the know" got wind of deals that Gauthier wanted done but Gainey nixed. I dont have a hard time believing that after the fact he might have told a friend "oh man, we agreed in principle with this team about this ____" - just like when serge savard told us that he had worked out a deal in principle with the wings that would have sent Corson + players to Detroit for Stevie Y. Hurts every time I think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 I know what you're saying, Brian, but I think Engels is implying that those "in the know" got wind of deals that Gauthier wanted done but Gainey nixed. I dont have a hard time believing that after the fact he might have told a friend "oh man, we agreed in principle with this team about this ____" - just like when serge savard told us that he had worked out a deal in principle with the wings that would have sent Corson + players to Detroit for Stevie Y. Hurts every time I think about it. Until someone like Bob Gainey or Pierre Gauthier comes forward with the evidence... we still wouldn't know... until that time it may be just a foul wind from those who think they were in the know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy-piton Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 lol.... http://www.torontosun.com/sports/columnist...8/12796286.html New Habs GM described as micro manager 'The Ghost' Gauthier known for quick temper, solid personnel moves VANCOUVER - Well, visitors to the Jacques Beauchamp media lounge at the Bell Centre could be the first to feel the effects in the Pierre “The Ghost” Gauthier era of the Montreal Canadiens. Gauthier took over the reins of the hockey operations Monday when GM Bob Gainey, his energy for the job seemingly sapped by years of personal tragedies, walked away from the top hockey job of the franchise for which he became an icon as a Stanley Cup-winning captain. Gauthier, who has been Gainey’s right-hand man as assistant GM, is a micro manager with a low profile and, according to colleagues and former employees contacted by QMI Agency yesterday, is a sometimes enigmatic leader with a fiery temper behind the scenes. When he was the general manager of the Ottawa Senators, he once limited visitors to the media room pre-game buffet to one cookie apiece after he arrived one night to find the cookie basket empty. He banned the so-called “vanity numbers,” from the Senators’ backs, limiting players to numbers between 1 and 33 because he felt numbers like the 91 worn by Alexandre Daigle drew attention to individuals and away from the team. There wasn’t an aspect of the organization that didn’t bear Gauthier’s fingerprints and that attention transformed the Senators from a running joke into a Stanley Cup contender. He hired Jacques Martin as coach, and, in light of Monday’s developments, it is no coincidence Martin is now behind the Canadiens’ bench. Gauthier was plucked out of the Anaheim Ducks organization to take over the Senators’ operation in December, 1996, when the expansion Senators were in crisis and faced with thousands of seats to sell in their new building. Dave King and Serge Savard had been interviewed to replace Randy Sexton, but, at the behest of then-consultant Roy Mlakar, Bryden and the others were told to look at the best number two men in the league. Gauthier got the job. In his two-and-a-half years as Senators GM beginning in the middle of the 1995 season, he transformed the Senators with the hiring of Martin and trades that brought in goaltender Damian Rhodes defencemen Wade Redden, Janne Laukkanen, Jason York and Igor Kravchuk and forwards Shawn McEachern and Shaun Van Allen, who all played key roles in the Senators’ turnaround. His strength has always been in evaluating player personnel. He left the Senators in controversy after the 1997-98 season, quitting to return to Anaheim after at first denying such a move was in the works. In his time in Ottawa, Gauthier earned the nickname “The Ghost,” as he was seldom visible for long stretches of time and then, like an apparition, would suddenly appear in a hallway of Scotiabank Place. He is guarded at the best of times both with the media and employees, one remarking yesterday, “you never knew if you saw him in the hallway if he would acknowledge your presence or not. It made a lot of people uncomfortable.” Pierre Grouchy was another nickname. Always composed and retiring publicly, he became legendary for his fits of temper behind the scenes. After one game in which goaltender Ron Tugnutt relieved Rhodes and was awarded one of the game stars, an enraged Gauthier slapped a bag of pretzels from the management suite into the crowd and supposedly dropped kicked a chicken dinner into the wall. The tirade continued downstairs in the coaches’ room where he sent a bag of popcorn flying, leaving the coaching staff looking at each other in amazement. The reason? He thought the awarding of a game star to Tugnutt would fuel a goaltending controversy and Gauthier was loathe to see any such thing in the papers. It’s interesting now that a goaltending controversy is exactly what is uppermost on the minds of most Canadiens fans and the media as the Canadiens are in a fight for a playoff spot. The Ghost knows his stuff and that's good because he'll have a lot more to worry about in Montreal than how many cookies are in the basket. IN PIERRE WE TRUST! \o/ \o/ \o/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 When does Pierre Bovion get fired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 When does Pierre Bovion get fired? Not soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Not soon enough. He's doing an amazing job in his role. The team is as profitable as ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Storm Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Interesting his first move and my first question...so he sends down Trotter & White who have played great with Desharnais as a line. Did he not look down the road and see the two games against Philly...does he not think we'll need Whites physical presence yes/no since Moen is the only other forward who can throw a body check & fight? I guess we'll have to rely on the 19 game with minus -9 rating Pyatt over Trotter who had 5 shots playing against Crosby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieds Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Interesting his first move and my first question...so he sends down Trotter & White who have played great with Desharnais as a line. Did he not look down the road and see the two games against Philly...does he not think we'll need Whites physical presence yes/no since Moen is the only other forward who can throw a body check & fight? I guess we'll have to rely on the 19 game with minus -9 rating Pyatt over Trotter who had 5 shots playing against Crosby. haha....i guess pyatt read your post before the gameee and decided to prove you wrong...1 goal 1 assist.. not bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted February 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 does he not think we'll need Whites physical presence yes/no since Moen is the only other forward who can throw a body check & fight? I guess we'll have to rely on the 19 game with minus -9 rating Pyatt over Trotter who had 5 shots playing against Crosby. White: -6 in 16 GP Pyatt: -8 in 20 GP Not sure why plus-minus is an issue for one player but not the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Bah Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 I think that if Bob Gainey trusts Pierre Gauthier to lead our team, he has left our team in capable hands. I am looking forward to the rise of the Fabled Montreal Canadiens to the top of the NHL where they belong. Go Habs Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Storm Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 White: -6 in 16 GP Pyatt: -8 in 20 GP Not sure why plus-minus is an issue for one player but not the other. Yes, Pyatt played good last night and I hope he plays amazing the rest of the season! Now to answer your question...if the a player is -8 and doesn't bring any other intangibles to the table i.e. Big hits or an aggressive fore-check or beating on Bill Guerin than his plus minus becomes an issue. Since we lack forwards that have an aggressive fore-check such as White brings; his -6 becomes less of an issue. White brings something we desperately need on this team and have needed for a long time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Yes, Pyatt played good last night and I hope he plays amazing the rest of the season! Now to answer your question...if the a player is -8 and doesn't bring any other intangibles to the table i.e. Big hits or an aggressive fore-check or beating on Bill Guerin than his plus minus becomes an issue. Since we lack forwards that have an aggressive fore-check such as White brings; his -6 becomes less of an issue. White brings something we desperately need on this team and have needed for a long time! The line of Trotter-Desharnais and White were crushed by the Bruins 4th line IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 I have mixed emotion of hiring him as GM. Here are his season standings has a gm, I find it interesting how he has lots of super sucking season but not any outstanding ones, from 2003 he was scouting boss and assistant gm of the habs. Ducks 1998-2002 6th, 9th, 15th, 13th Ottawa 1995–1998 13th, 7th, 8th He has never been gm of the new era of hockey. Its way to early to say if he will be a good gm or not but it seems to me he his big on scouting, i quickly scanned the duck drafting record from 1998-2002 it was dissapointing. Looks average at best I don't understand why speaking french is such an important skill for the GM. Sam Pollock didn't speak french, did he? Yet it was forgiveable for him. The great coaches Scotty Bowman, Toe Blake, Dick Irvin... none of them spoke french. You need to understand the language and cultural issues in "La Belle Province". I think that if Bob Gainey trusts Pierre Gauthier to lead our team, he has left our team in capable hands. I am looking forward to the rise of the Fabled Montreal Canadiens to the top of the NHL where they belong. Go Habs Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why? Gainey could not get the Habs there in his tenure as the GM. Given his average track record I doubt Gauthier will do it either; though I do hope I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieds Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Subban called up for tomorows game!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detritus Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 I thought i read somewhere that Gauthier had no desire for knee-jerk trades, where we trade youth for veterans in the hopes of making the playoffs. And yet, TSN and Kypreos are now both reporting we have sent a 2nd round pick for Dominick Moore. Who, although put up points as a Laff when he was getting first line minutes has done nothing since. Seems a little odd if stock piling veterans isnt our desire. I guess, we can hope this is in prelude to a bigger trade in which a current forward goes elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Storm Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Pierre goes small with his 1st trade...Dom Moore for 2011 2nd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsin09 Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 What a stupid trade, time for a new GM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 its a smart deal if we get the Moore that played in Toronto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic_mtl Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 What a stupid trade, time for a new GM! Totally nuts, a second rounder for a player like this, who could be had for nothing, and was a couple of times. How can this be? A second rounder has potential, you dont give it up for a 30 year old role player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted February 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Gotta say, Mr. Gauthier, this is somewhat less than impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sens27 Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Brutal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Brutal, you know what sad? I already want him fired. I mean where the habs can't we offer the Chicago Gm a huge bribe if he comes here. Stan bowman and his Advisor: Scotty Bowman Dream Staff (who are still coaching/working) Gm: Stan Bowman Assitanst/advisor Gm: Scotty Bowman Head Coach: Guy Boucher Assitant Coach: Todd McLellan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted February 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 With this signing, you'd think one of the lower-line centers has to go. The likeliest candidate would seem to be Lapierre, who'll be RFA in a summer when we have zero cash to spend. Flip Lapierre, get his salary off the books, then let M&M&M&M (Moore, Metropolit, Mara, MAB) walk in free agency, which is nearly $4.5 million of combined cap space freed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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