ComradeRuskie Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 From Tony Marinaro's twitter: HABS GM Pierre Gauthier has fired scouts Denis Morel, Dave Mayville, Pelle Eklund, Nikolai Vakourov, Antonin Routa, and Gordie Roberts. --------- Does that mean they were doing something wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 From Tony Marinaro's twitter: HABS GM Pierre Gauthier has fired scouts Denis Morel, Dave Mayville, Pelle Eklund, Nikolai Vakourov, Antonin Routa, and Gordie Roberts. --------- Does that mean they were doing something wrong? bout time to give the scouting an overhaul, really overdue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Are these amateur scouts or pro scouts he fired? If the latter, good on Gauthier for cleaning house, as our pro scouting has been quite shoddy over the past few years, the foremost example being our failure to make sure Laraque was healthy before signing him to a three-year deal. If they're amateur scouts (for junior players and such), I'm a bit puzzled, as our scouting in that area has been fairly good over the past few years (it's prospect development that seems to give us a hard time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Well... If this turns out to be true I sure hope he hires some new ones before the draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-Kovalev Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Are these amateur scouts or pro scouts he fired? If the latter, good on Gauthier for cleaning house, as our pro scouting has been quite shoddy over the past few years, the foremost example being our failure to make sure Laraque was healthy before signing him to a three-year deal. If they're amateur scouts (for junior players and such), I'm a bit puzzled, as our scouting in that area has been fairly good over the past few years (it's prospect development that seems to give us a hard time). It seems to be 5 amateur scouts and 1 pro scouts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 It seems to be 5 amateur scouts and 1 pro scouts.... Weird. I'm going to wait and see if a more credible source than Tony Marinaro reports this as a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-Kovalev Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Weird. I'm going to wait and see if a more credible source than Tony Marinaro reports this as a fact. CONFIRMED !!! RDS and Canoe... by Denis Morel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Are these amateur scouts or pro scouts he fired? If the latter, good on Gauthier for cleaning house, as our pro scouting has been quite shoddy over the past few years, the foremost example being our failure to make sure Laraque was healthy before signing him to a three-year deal. If they're amateur scouts (for junior players and such), I'm a bit puzzled, as our scouting in that area has been fairly good over the past few years (it's prospect development that seems to give us a hard time). 1 pro scout and 5 amateur were fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 interesting...now all he has to do is fire youppi and my confidence in pg may go up a bit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 The result remains the same but technically, they were not fired, their contract was not renewed. interesting...now all he has to do is fire youppi and my confidence in pg may go up a bit... Naah... we all love that big evil fur ball. Firing is not necessary, just a dye job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfourni Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Interesting, I thought our amateur scouting was pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 CONFIRMED !!! RDS and Canoe... by Denis Morel... yep http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/299884.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Let's just hope this is a move in the right direction, our development scouts haven't been too bad, but a fresh out look might be what's needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Seems like a weird time to do this,, so close to the draft. Will the new people hired, have time to do proper evaluations on such a short time line?? Is our draft list completed,, and are we going to draft based on reports from the guys released?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 This is extremely weird, what stands out to me is the majority of the amateur scouts covered the European side. Now I know the Draft is around the corner, but at this point usually area scouts have run their course. The Habs probably have had their final Draft meeting to prepare their rankings and their head crosscheckers and director of scouting probably have the information to take it from here. What it could mean is I doubt we'll see many Europeans drafted this year, as the Habs fired their head of Russia and Swedish scouting, while they could still use their information, either it was a performance issue (Gauthier/Timmins dissatisfied with the reports assembled over the year), a direction change in philosophy that the current regime doesn't fit under, or a frictional issue personally. I also could smell a budget cut as one of the Quebec scouts were fired also. Nevertheless the reasoning is just speculation, and without knowing where exactly the Habs are in their Draft process/ranking I can't really estimate the results. The headline reads, "Gauthier" fired the scouts, which I find weird, seeing as that;s Timmins jurisdiction and he handles these people in the day to day operations. Maybe just a bureaucratic thing? If I were to make a shot in the dark here, there will be a change in the Euro drafting philosophy this year, you will either see a lack or a surplus, probably the former but can't really make a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Pierre getting rid of some guys to get his own guys in there... plus the euro scouting hasnt been great. 3 weeks from the draft your list is gonna be done you have a pretty good idea which direction you want to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 This is extremely weird, what stands out to me is the majority of the amateur scouts covered the European side. Now I know the Draft is around the corner, but at this point usually area scouts have run their course. The Habs probably have had their final Draft meeting to prepare their rankings and their head crosscheckers and director of scouting probably have the information to take it from here. What it could mean is I doubt we'll see many Europeans drafted this year, as the Habs fired their head of Russia and Swedish scouting, while they could still use their information, either it was a performance issue (Gauthier/Timmins dissatisfied with the reports assembled over the year), a direction change in philosophy that the current regime doesn't fit under, or a frictional issue personally. I also could smell a budget cut as one of the Quebec scouts were fired also. Nevertheless the reasoning is just speculation, and without knowing where exactly the Habs are in their Draft process/ranking I can't really estimate the results. The headline reads, "Gauthier" fired the scouts, which I find weird, seeing as that;s Timmins jurisdiction and he handles these people in the day to day operations. Maybe just a bureaucratic thing? If I were to make a shot in the dark here, there will be a change in the Euro drafting philosophy this year, you will either see a lack or a surplus, probably the former but can't really make a guess. To add to the point that you bolded, this is also the first off season under new ownership. I know that everyone loves the Molsons (and I'm not saying that I don't), but seeing as how ticket prices have gone up yet again it's not as though they're just in this for the love of the team. They want to make money, as they should, and cuts to what I would assume would be one of the larger scouting staffs in the league might not be a bad way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjamessauve Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Weird. I'm going to wait and see if a more credible source than Tony Marinaro reports this as a fact. Tony Marinaro is well connected. When he breaks a story it's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Tony Marinaro is well connected. When he breaks a story it's a fact. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Bah Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Let's hope the Molson's are taking a feather from the Sabres Cap and using Video as well, It seems to have worked well for Buffalo. Go Habs Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 This is extremely weird, what stands out to me is the majority of the amateur scouts covered the European side. Now I know the Draft is around the corner, but at this point usually area scouts have run their course. The Habs probably have had their final Draft meeting to prepare their rankings and their head crosscheckers and director of scouting probably have the information to take it from here. What it could mean is I doubt we'll see many Europeans drafted this year, as the Habs fired their head of Russia and Swedish scouting, while they could still use their information, either it was a performance issue (Gauthier/Timmins dissatisfied with the reports assembled over the year), a direction change in philosophy that the current regime doesn't fit under, or a frictional issue personally. I also could smell a budget cut as one of the Quebec scouts were fired also. Nevertheless the reasoning is just speculation, and without knowing where exactly the Habs are in their Draft process/ranking I can't really estimate the results. The headline reads, "Gauthier" fired the scouts, which I find weird, seeing as that;s Timmins jurisdiction and he handles these people in the day to day operations. Maybe just a bureaucratic thing? If I were to make a shot in the dark here, there will be a change in the Euro drafting philosophy this year, you will either see a lack or a surplus, probably the former but can't really make a guess. Yep, and my totally blind guess is a lack. I would be surprised if we drafted many Europeans this year. My feeling (or maybe just optimism) is that Gauthier is not happy with how so many of our European prospects have gone sour (Grabovski, SK), stalled (AK), or flown the coop (Yemelin, Valentenko). This might be a draft where we stay on the continent for the most part and give the replacement scouts a year before dipping heavily into the European prospect pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 :lol: Most, if not all, the stories I hear from him turns out to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 If I were to make a shot in the dark here, there will be a change in the Euro drafting philosophy this year, you will either see a lack or a surplus, probably the former but can't really make a guess. Same conclusion here. In Gainey & PG's eyes, I dont think there's any coincidence that we just had our deepest run since the early 90s with a team that is more north american than we have seen since that time. Rightly or wrongly this team appears headed towards less europeans (Halak and maybe Plekanec excepted) and more north americans. We'll see how that works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detritus Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 The points argued regarding the direction change are all quite fair. However, I would like to think it's strictly performance based. Let's be blunt, would anyone have even guessed we had a bleedin' Swedish scout?!?! When was the last Swede on the team, Naslund? As far as european scouting as a whole goes, the same holds true we always get hoodwinked by small quick forwards who make their living on the large ice. We clearly needed some fresh eyes over there. That being said, the removal of a Quebec scout may be a little concerning, however, hopefully this is another firing based on lack of production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 interesting...now all he has to do is fire youppi and my confidence in pg may go up a bit... Youppi???? WHERES THE LOVE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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