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Rundown of the hardware handed out:

Calder-Tyler Myers

Selke-Pavel Datsyuk

Art Ross-Henrik Sedin

Rocket Richard-Steve Stamkos & Sidney Crosby

Adams-Dave Tippett

Vezina-Ryan Miller

Jennings-Martin Brodeur

Masterton-Jose Theodore

King Clancy-Shane Doan

Lady Byng-Martin St.Louis

Messier Leadership-Sidney Crosby

Norris-Duncan Keith

NHL Foundation Player Award-Ryan Miller

Hart-Henrik Sedin

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=325503

Anyone watched???

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What did Sasha do, CRB? I was kind of off and on watching it.

I loved the host last night. Pretty funny, and some brutal, jokes. The Phoenix one to open the show, too. lulz.

Congrats to all the winners.

He was basically just saluting his buddies in the audience saying a whole lot of nothing and didn't leave the stage when his time was up :rolleyes:

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If anyone else is interested, the full award votes can be seen here:

Some Habs:

Halak - 10th overall for the Vezina

Plekanec - 26 overall for the Selke

Scott Gomez - 45th overall for the Selke

(this just shows (plekanec in particular) how shockingly bad voting for this trophy is - IMHO its always been the most political and the least likely to give good results).

Cammelleri - 46th overall for the lady bing.

George Laracques - 54th overall (tied) for the lady bing. Nice to see someone has a sense of humor.

Halak was 13th in All star Voting for Goalies.

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Oh. I assume you're talking about Ovie? I thought Sasha was Semin's nickname so I was kind of confused.:P

I got confused at that aswell, Sasha is what all the Russian players call Semin.

Sasha is a nickname for Alexander, just as Bobby is for Robert

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Sasha is a nickname for Alexander, just as Bobby is for Robert

Ah. Always learn something new everyday.=p

I, too, thought it was just a nickname that they used for Semin. But ya, that was kind of...unwarranted of Ovechkin to stand there and command his own air time.

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I got confused at that aswell, Sasha is what all the Russian players call Semin.

Well you were closer than me, I thought she meant Sacha Baron Cohen showed up and did some sort of skit.

Plekanec deserved better than 26th overall in the Selke voting!

Ya, but I think all that means is that he got less top three votes than 25 others, which isn't actually the same thing as them purposely voting him 26th (eg. there could have been many people who thought he was 5th best, but could only vote on top 3)

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Ya, but I think all that means is that he got less top three votes than 25 others, which isn't actually the same thing as them purposely voting him 26th (eg. there could have been many people who thought he was 5th best, but could only vote on top 3)

Plekanec got no 1st place votes, 1 second place, 2 fourth place and 1 fifth place. Thats pretty horrendous considering the great 2 way season he had.

Compare that to Ryan Kessler (who plays an extremely similar game, but obviously is a "good north american boy"). He had 36 1st place votes, 26 second, 15 third, 10 fourth and 8 fifth place selections.

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Plekanec got no 1st place votes, 1 second place, 2 fourth place and 1 fifth place. Thats pretty horrendous considering the great 2 way season he had.

Compare that to Ryan Kessler (who plays an extremely similar game, but obviously is a "good north american boy"). He had 36 1st place votes, 26 second, 15 third, 10 fourth and 8 fifth place selections.

Ah thanks for explaining it, I had it slightly wrong.

But to be fair, could it be we're slightly overstating his defensive abilities? For example, when we had Bonk and Johnson we were complaining about their lack of Selke votes, when we acquired Gomez he was occasionally referred to as one of the best two-way centers in the league, and I'm sure there were other similar cases. Most teams seem to have players who they consider to be "elite two-way players", so it's possible that as good as Plekanec is, were he not on the Habs none of us would even consider him either. That said, the votes do seem a little low.

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Ah thanks for explaining it, I had it slightly wrong.

But to be fair, could it be we're slightly overstating his defensive abilities? For example, when we had Bonk and Johnson we were complaining about their lack of Selke votes, when we acquired Gomez he was occasionally referred to as one of the best two-way centers in the league, and I'm sure there were other similar cases. Most teams seem to have players who they consider to be "elite two-way players", so it's possible that as good as Plekanec is, were he not on the Habs none of us would even consider him either. That said, the votes do seem a little low.

You're almost certainly right - defensive prowess is something very difficult to rate. I just get surprised that a guy like Plekanec, who is continually compared with kesller, gets such a large number less votes than ryan. Exposure? Media coverage? I dont know. If Tomas hadnt tapered off and had scored the 2nd half the way he did the first (finishing with roughly 85pts) would he have more votes? Probably. Even though his defensive game was even throughout the year.

But, that said, its why I think the Selke is and has been flawed for years. IMHO there's no way on earth that Datsyuk is "the best" defensive player in the league. he's one hell of an all round player, but there are some 3rd line defensive specialists that put him to shame. Its all about points these days, which should be irrelevant for a defensive forward - or at very least should be the "minor" statistic, not the major one. If your argument is that "a good offense is the best defense" then just give it to crosby or ovechkin.

But in a league where Mike Green is only a smidge out of 1st place for "best all round defensman" I guess we shouldnt be surprised.

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You're almost certainly right - but its why I think the Selke is and has been flawed for years. IMHO there's no way on earth that Datsyuk is "the best" defensive player in the league. he's one hell of an all round player, but there are some 3rd line defensive specialists that put him to shame. Its all about points these days, which should be irrelevant for a defensive forward - or at very least should be the "minor" statistic, not the major one. If your argument is that "a good offense is the best defense" then just give it to crosby or ovechkin.

I'm not sure if anyone, let alone the people voting for it, understand what the criteria is. Does "best defensive forward" mean the best forward at playing defense (in which case 0 points or 100 points should make absolutely no difference), or does it mean the best player who is also good defensively? Right now most voters seem to eliminate anyone who isn't considered "defensive" and then of all defensive players pick the best one: not necessarily the best one at defense, just the best player of all players considered "defensive". I think the NHL needs to give some clarification on what the award actually means. A similar situation is the Hart: is it the player most valuable to his team (technically the definition) or the best player (generally accepted definition).

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