#31 Carey Price 2010-11

[smurfposse]

But Gautier did show his hand, over play his hand.. whatever.

You think the Habs are getting Price for less than 3 million after telling Carey he's our number one, and then sit back and watch Halak get 3.75 mill.

If Gautier and Gainey believed Price to be a true #1 they should have been pursuing a deal before the end of the season. That way they would have paid what was legitimately what he was worth. Now, he has no one on the team to push him to 'become' the #1 and he already has the status to pull weight in negotiations for inflated salary.

I don't get the hype about Carey. I was impressed by him in the AHL, the WJC and his rookie season where he should have won Rookie of the Year. But he didn't. And since... whether its due to bad attitute, work ethic, whatever, he has rightly played second fiddle to Halak.

My worry here is that they got little (if Eller doesn't pan out) in return for Halak,... who has only shown increases every year since he has played with the Habs. IF Carey continues this road for a while, we will end up putting Auld in the AHL and bringing up Sanford or Desjardins. If the Habs really were serious about their situation, and worried about cap space, they could have signed a guy like Dan LaCosta (has some NHL experience, and youth, and with time will be a true NHLer) for peanuts, had him and Sanford fight it out for the backup role and not worry about either goal tending situation in either Hamilton or Montreal. And if Desjardins was ready they could have sent back Sanford/LaCosta.

But a million for a life time back-up (Sorry Van fans - you guys had him as a starter.. last time he had a winning record... 2005) which was ridiculous. As Auld isn't going to be teaching Carey lessons on humility and patience. Carey needs to find religion, be taught in the ways of what it means to play for a team with 100 yrs of tradition. Carey has to shake his head and forget the pre-Habs years, and become the player he was touted to be. The only way I see Carey Price becoming that player is with proper push from someone who will compete for the #1 spot... he needs to get rid of his ego and play like a man. But that illusionary person is also one that knows that he may not be #1 and be ok with that. Halak was ready to be starter, and knew he had Carey on the ropes as the team didn't play when Price was in nets. Halak played it safe, stopped the puck and did nothing to jeopardize his position, meanwhile Carey partied too much, said too much and did too much that Markov had to speak with him...

I don't want to wait 4 yrs for Carey Price to grow up... he's already been here 3 yrs.... its time for him to suck it up and play passionate hockey.

But giving into the notion #1's get paid.... I see him making closer to 3 than less than. And that in my estimation is overpaying him. 2 yrs at 2.4 would be ok... serviceable. Anything more would be reckless. Until he shakes the cobwebs and brings the Habs to the playoffs and wins a round or two.... waiting on Price is going to be PAINFUL.

[plywood]

But Gautier did show his hand, over play his hand.. whatever.

You think the Habs are getting Price for less than 3 million after telling Carey he's our number one, and then sit back and watch Halak get 3.75 mill.

If Gautier and Gainey believed Price to be a true #1 they should have been pursuing a deal before the end of the season. That way they would have paid what was legitimately what he was worth. Now, he has no one on the team to push him to 'become' the #1 and he already has the status to pull weight in negotiations for inflated salary.

I don't get the hype about Carey. I was impressed by him in the AHL, the WJC and his rookie season where he should have won Rookie of the Year. But he didn't. And since... whether its due to bad attitute, work ethic, whatever, he has rightly played second fiddle to Halak.

My worry here is that they got little (if Eller doesn't pan out) in return for Halak,... who has only shown increases every year since he has played with the Habs. IF Carey continues this road for a while, we will end up putting Auld in the AHL and bringing up Sanford or Desjardins. If the Habs really were serious about their situation, and worried about cap space, they could have signed a guy like Dan LaCosta (has some NHL experience, and youth, and with time will be a true NHLer) for peanuts, had him and Sanford fight it out for the backup role and not worry about either goal tending situation in either Hamilton or Montreal. And if Desjardins was ready they could have sent back Sanford/LaCosta.

But a million for a life time back-up (Sorry Van fans - you guys had him as a starter.. last time he had a winning record... 2005) which was ridiculous. As Auld isn't going to be teaching Carey lessons on humility and patience. Carey needs to find religion, be taught in the ways of what it means to play for a team with 100 yrs of tradition. Carey has to shake his head and forget the pre-Habs years, and become the player he was touted to be. The only way I see Carey Price becoming that player is with proper push from someone who will compete for the #1 spot... he needs to get rid of his ego and play like a man. But that illusionary person is also one that knows that he may not be #1 and be ok with that. Halak was ready to be starter, and knew he had Carey on the ropes as the team didn't play when Price was in nets. Halak played it safe, stopped the puck and did nothing to jeopardize his position, meanwhile Carey partied too much, said too much and did too much that Markov had to speak with him...

I don't want to wait 4 yrs for Carey Price to grow up... he's already been here 3 yrs.... its time for him to suck it up and play passionate hockey.

But giving into the notion #1's get paid.... I see him making closer to 3 than less than. And that in my estimation is overpaying him. 2 yrs at 2.4 would be ok... serviceable. Anything more would be reckless. Until he shakes the cobwebs and brings the Habs to the playoffs and wins a round or two.... waiting on Price is going to be PAINFUL.

I thought about responding to this, but ill just wait for Roy_133

[leafs_295_ca]

this is the price page

[Bean-Counting-Hab]

We're making it sound like we know for a fact PG did not talk to any other teams or explore any other options when he traded Halak. What are we basing this on? The fact we haven't heard about discussions with other teams? Did anyone hear about talks with St. Louis before the trade went down?

Likewise, I can't guarantee there weren't better options out there, but given the quality goaltenders on the UFA market that can be had without giving up any assets, I find it hard to believe we could have gotten much more back for Halak that fits our team needs. (ie: Big offenisve centerman, likely NHL ready, low cap hit).

[viperhockey]

There have been posts here that have suggested that Price doesn't hold the upper hand in negotiations because he is a RFA without Arbitration rights. But this suggestion is incorrect because if PG wants to sign Price to a deal that would extend past his RFA non arbitration season, Carey's agent will want what other RFA's with Arbitration rights have recieved.

[leafs_rock_go_mccabe]

A three year deal might be tough. I would prefer four years if we are going long-term instead of one or two years. The reason being? With Gomez, Gionta, Cammalleri, and Price's cointract all ending in 2014 it will make it easier to resign the couple that we need going forward.

[Snow4Habs]

A three year deal might be tough. I would prefer four years if we are going long-term instead of one or two years. The reason being? With Gomez, Gionta, Cammalleri, and Price's cointract all ending in 2014 it will make it easier to resign the couple that we need going forward.

+1

[madsprite18]

But Gautier did show his hand, over play his hand.. whatever.

You think the Habs are getting Price for less than 3 million after telling Carey he's our number one, and then sit back and watch Halak get 3.75 mill.

If Gautier and Gainey believed Price to be a true #1 they should have been pursuing a deal before the end of the season. That way they would have paid what was legitimately what he was worth. Now, he has no one on the team to push him to 'become' the #1 and he already has the status to pull weight in negotiations for inflated salary.

I don't get the hype about Carey. I was impressed by him in the AHL, the WJC and his rookie season where he should have won Rookie of the Year. But he didn't. And since... whether its due to bad attitute, work ethic, whatever, he has rightly played second fiddle to Halak.

My worry here is that they got little (if Eller doesn't pan out) in return for Halak,... who has only shown increases every year since he has played with the Habs. IF Carey continues this road for a while, we will end up putting Auld in the AHL and bringing up Sanford or Desjardins. If the Habs really were serious about their situation, and worried about cap space, they could have signed a guy like Dan LaCosta (has some NHL experience, and youth, and with time will be a true NHLer) for peanuts, had him and Sanford fight it out for the backup role and not worry about either goal tending situation in either Hamilton or Montreal. And if Desjardins was ready they could have sent back Sanford/LaCosta.

But a million for a life time back-up (Sorry Van fans - you guys had him as a starter.. last time he had a winning record... 2005) which was ridiculous. As Auld isn't going to be teaching Carey lessons on humility and patience. Carey needs to find religion, be taught in the ways of what it means to play for a team with 100 yrs of tradition. Carey has to shake his head and forget the pre-Habs years, and become the player he was touted to be. The only way I see Carey Price becoming that player is with proper push from someone who will compete for the #1 spot... he needs to get rid of his ego and play like a man. But that illusionary person is also one that knows that he may not be #1 and be ok with that. Halak was ready to be starter, and knew he had Carey on the ropes as the team didn't play when Price was in nets. Halak played it safe, stopped the puck and did nothing to jeopardize his position, meanwhile Carey partied too much, said too much and did too much that Markov had to speak with him...

I don't want to wait 4 yrs for Carey Price to grow up... he's already been here 3 yrs.... its time for him to suck it up and play passionate hockey.

But giving into the notion #1's get paid.... I see him making closer to 3 than less than. And that in my estimation is overpaying him. 2 yrs at 2.4 would be ok... serviceable. Anything more would be reckless. Until he shakes the cobwebs and brings the Habs to the playoffs and wins a round or two.... waiting on Price is going to be PAINFUL.

Great points - I guess getting rid of Carbo and BG didn't end the foolish decisions - the trade of Halak was ill advised and as you so rightly point out - MISTIMED!!!

[fourtrax]

Maybe Pierre got a player he deemed to be absolutely the guy he wanted. A lot of possibilities here folks.

I actually think this might be the case. I suspect Pierre has had his eye on Eller for a while. The Blues all but explicitly confirmed (and forgive me for not having the article link handy) that Gauthier went straight to Eller when they began trade talks.

[Bean-Counting-Hab]

I actually think this might be the case. I suspect Pierre has had his eye on Eller for a while. The Blues all but explicitly confirmed (and forgive me for not having the article link handy) that Gauthier went straight to Eller when they began trade talks.

Yes this was confirmed by the Blues camp in an article. Hopefully someone can find it.

[gracie12]

I actually think this might be the case. I suspect Pierre has had his eye on Eller for a while. The Blues all but explicitly confirmed (and forgive me for not having the article link handy) that Gauthier went straight to Eller when they began trade talks.

And they've also confirmed that they originally wanted Price, not Halak - presumably for some of the very reasons we chose to keep him (age, cost, potential etc).

[Janooo]

And they've also confirmed that they originally wanted Price, not Halak - presumably for some of the very reasons we chose to keep him (age, cost, potential etc).

Not so true. They asked about Carey because in their mind there was no way Habs would trade Halak. They were shocked. What a pleasant surprise.

[roy_133]

Not so true. They asked about Carey because in their mind there was no way Habs would trade Halak. They were shocked. What a pleasant surprise.

Link to them actually confirming they only wanted Carey because they thought there was no way the Habs would trade Halak and they were shocked, please.

[risteenhuis]

3 players signed today based on HIO. Lapierre is the only roster player among the 3 players signed. Although I do believe that Carle will be given a chance in Montreal at least until Markov is healthy. So basically Price is the last RFA to be re-signed. It will be really nice when Price is signed. Both to have him under contract and so our GM could spend the remaining money to get a low cost UFA to help our team depth or special teams.

[ChiLla]

Not so true. They asked about Carey because in their mind there was no way Habs would trade Halak. They were shocked. What a pleasant surprise.

Where did you get this from?

Many are wondering how Halak became available. Carey Price, who was the league's fifth overall pick in 2005, surrendered the starting job in mid-December and finished with a regular-season record of 13-20-5 with a 2.77 GAA and a .912 save-percentage. Price played in only four playoff games, in which he was 0-1 with a 3.56 GAA and an .890 save-percentage.

But when Blues incoming general manager Doug Armstrong contacted the Canadiens recently, he learned the unexpected. "The initial call was just to say, 'We may be in the market for a goaltender,'" Armstrong said. "They had two young goaltenders. I asked (Pierre Gauthier) what direction he was going to go in. He told me he was going to keep Carey and make Jaro available. That spurred the conversation to the first phase of the assets he would need back."

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/prof...984b60e27b.html

Maybe this helps to put things in perspective too:

Indeed, Blues GM Doug Armstrong said he tried to steer Gauthier away from Eller, who had two goals in seven NHL games last season and scored 18 goals and 39 assists in 70 AHL games, but that the Habs wouldn’t relent.

“It’s not like we viewed [Eller] as expendable,” Armstrong said. “It may be difficult for some of the fans in Montreal, but once they see him play, they’ll understand.”

The 6-foot-1, 200-pound Dane projects as a second-line centre, and both the Blues and Canadiens view him as NHL ready for this fall.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hock...article1607943/

[roy_133]

Where did you get this from?

Some fans are upset about the trade so they've taken to posting baseless "facts" as means to justify it as being a horrible move.

[cyoungerrr]

But Gautier did show his hand, over play his hand.. whatever.

You think the Habs are getting Price for less than 3 million after telling Carey he's our number one, and then sit back and watch Halak get 3.75 mill.

If Gautier and Gainey believed Price to be a true #1 they should have been pursuing a deal before the end of the season. That way they would have paid what was legitimately what he was worth. Now, he has no one on the team to push him to 'become' the #1 and he already has the status to pull weight in negotiations for inflated salary.

I don't get the hype about Carey. I was impressed by him in the AHL, the WJC and his rookie season where he should have won Rookie of the Year. But he didn't. And since... whether its due to bad attitute, work ethic, whatever, he has rightly played second fiddle to Halak.

My worry here is that they got little (if Eller doesn't pan out) in return for Halak,... who has only shown increases every year since he has played with the Habs. IF Carey continues this road for a while, we will end up putting Auld in the AHL and bringing up Sanford or Desjardins. If the Habs really were serious about their situation, and worried about cap space, they could have signed a guy like Dan LaCosta (has some NHL experience, and youth, and with time will be a true NHLer) for peanuts, had him and Sanford fight it out for the backup role and not worry about either goal tending situation in either Hamilton or Montreal. And if Desjardins was ready they could have sent back Sanford/LaCosta.

But a million for a life time back-up (Sorry Van fans - you guys had him as a starter.. last time he had a winning record... 2005) which was ridiculous. As Auld isn't going to be teaching Carey lessons on humility and patience. Carey needs to find religion, be taught in the ways of what it means to play for a team with 100 yrs of tradition. Carey has to shake his head and forget the pre-Habs years, and become the player he was touted to be. The only way I see Carey Price becoming that player is with proper push from someone who will compete for the #1 spot... he needs to get rid of his ego and play like a man. But that illusionary person is also one that knows that he may not be #1 and be ok with that. Halak was ready to be starter, and knew he had Carey on the ropes as the team didn't play when Price was in nets. Halak played it safe, stopped the puck and did nothing to jeopardize his position, meanwhile Carey partied too much, said too much and did too much that Markov had to speak with him...

I don't want to wait 4 yrs for Carey Price to grow up... he's already been here 3 yrs.... its time for him to suck it up and play passionate hockey.

But giving into the notion #1's get paid.... I see him making closer to 3 than less than. And that in my estimation is overpaying him. 2 yrs at 2.4 would be ok... serviceable. Anything more would be reckless. Until he shakes the cobwebs and brings the Habs to the playoffs and wins a round or two.... waiting on Price is going to be PAINFUL.

thanks for putting it so well. Also, a lot of people are saying they liked the trade of Halak but don't like getting a career backup for Price, acknowledging that it's all on Price. IMO they are both equally bad moves, and part and parcel of the continuation of favouritism towards Price at the expense of and to the detriment of the team's performance. We may have changed GMs, but everything else remains the same.

I'm sure when it all settles down I will be cheering for my team this coming year, but this poor management and willingness to destroy team chemistry so they can finally look good on a draft pick is making it very difficult to be optimistic.

[roy_133]

thanks for putting it so well. Also, a lot of people are saying they liked the trade of Halak but don't like getting a career backup for Price, acknowledging that it's all on Price. IMO they are both equally bad moves, and part and parcel of the continuation of favouritism towards Price at the expense of and to the detriment of the team's performance. We may have changed GMs, but everything else remains the same.

I'm sure when it all settles down I will be cheering for my team this coming year, but this poor management and willingness to destroy team chemistry so they can finally look good on a draft pick is making it very difficult to be optimistic.

You mean a draft pick our current GM didn't make?

Yeah, makes sense.

[cyoungerrr]

You mean a draft pick our current GM didn't make?

Yeah, makes sense.

It does if that GM is still around and the current GM was very much a student of that GM.

I am trying to argue my points without resorting to sarcasm...I would appreciate if you tried to do the same

[roy_133]

It does if that GM is still around and the current GM was very much a student of that GM.

I am trying to argue my points without resorting to sarcasm...I would appreciate if you tried to do the same

What points, you're just speculating on 1 of many possible reasons the move was made and passing it off as factual.

Gauthier has a chance to be a GM again after many years between GM gigs, why, if he didn't believe in Price (Or think Halak would regress) would he blow that opportunity to push another, ex-GM's agenda? It doesn't matter that he worked under Gainey or they have a good relationship, it just doesn't really make any sense. It seems like people are looking for reasons the organization made the decision they did and are fabricting IMO unreasonable theories.

If you think the organization made a wrong decision, that's fine, they may have, we'll have to wait and see but the conjecture about our new GM and coach willing to sell the best team available in their minds down the river to justify a draft pick the old GM made 5 years ago doesn't really make a lot of sense.

[Janooo]

Link to them actually confirming they only wanted Carey because they thought there was no way the Habs would trade Halak and they were shocked, please.

My reply is a made up (a speculation because we can not prove it) statement that is a response to similar made up (false...) reply. Both have smiley faces at the end. I should have used sarcasm tags to be more clear.

Seriously though, the quotes 'We may be in the market for a goaltender' and 'They had two young goaltenders. I asked (Pierre Gauthier) what direction he was going to go in. He told me he was going to keep Carey and make Jaro available. That spurred the conversation to the first phase of the assets he would need back.' are the closest thing that can tell us how it went.

Blues asked who is available and PG said Jaro. That's it. Done...

I am interested to see what deal Carey gets. I hope he is still RFA at the end.

[roy_133]

I am interested to see what deal Carey gets. I hope he is still RFA at the end.

1 year? He should get around 2 million, maybe a little less or more but longer term all bets are off. We have a few more years of control so unless he's really locked up he should still be an RFA at the end of the deal, unlike Jaro who was and is further along in the process.

[cyoungerrr]

What points, you're just speculating on 1 of many possible reasons the move was made and passing it off as factual.

Gauthier has a chance to be a GM again after many years between GM gigs, why, if he didn't believe in Price (Or think Halak would regress) would he blow that opportunity to push another, ex-GM's agenda? It doesn't matter that he worked under Gainey or they have a good relationship, it just doesn't really make any sense. It seems like people are looking for reasons the organization made the decision they did and are fabricting IMO unreasonable theories.

If you think the organization made a wrong decision, that's fine, they may have, we'll have to wait and see but the conjecture about our new GM and coach willing to sell the best team available in their minds down the river to justify a draft pick the old GM made 5 years ago doesn't really make a lot of sense.

I'm no more passing off my opinions as factual than you are. We may have to wait to see, but I have seen 3 years of irrational management of Price up to this point, and many would agree with me there. These latest moves seem equally incompetent

[Alastair_LighT]

Price is either going to suck or be amazing next year. He'll suck if he makes no adjustments over the summer and does the same-old-same-old with his training. He'll be amazing if he is working super super hard in the off season and has a determination level on par with Rocky Balboa.

[fourtrax]

Price is either going to suck or be amazing next year. He'll suck if he makes no adjustments over the summer and does the same-old-same-old with his training. He'll be amazing if he is working super super hard in the off season and has a determination level on par with Rocky Balboa.

Yeah, sure. It's not like the team in front of him can affect his performance one way or another, right? I guess when he loses a bunch of 2-1 or 2-0 games, it'll be because he didn't work hard enough over the summer.