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#76 Pk Subban 2010-11


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Razor,

Every time a rookie comes up and plays well for a few games there's talk about how he's the next great thing. The most recent example is Matt D'Agostini, who I think scored 5 goals in his first 5 games. I think Maxime Lapierre had 3 goals in his first 4 games. Price had a .920 save percentage in his first season. Sergei Kostitsyn was (tied for 3rd?) on the team in 2007-08 playoff scoring with 8 points in 12 games. When Benoit Pouliot joined he was scoring at a close to goal per game pace. Rookies often do very well when they first start out for reasons I don't quite understand, probably the adrenaline surge.

This is a fan site, and everybody on this board wants PK Subban to have a career like Paul Coffey. However, we don't want to suffer with disappointment if he ends up being the type of player who produces 15 goals and 30 points a year rather than 40 goals and 80 points. Second, we're also interested in understanding the game as it really is rather than through rose-colored glasses.

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some can't see the forest cuza the trees

I get less flack promoting my Habs from my Leafs buddies

You're talking about potentially hanging up Subban's number from the rafters after he has played 14 games in the NHL. If you want to set absurdly unrealistic standards for an unproven prospect, be my guest. Some of us, though, would rather talk about hockey in more realistic, concrete terms.

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You're talking about potentially hanging up Subban's number from the rafters after he has played 14 games in the NHL. If you want to set absurdly unrealistic standards for an unproven prospect, be my guest. Some of us, though, would rather talk about hockey in more realistic, concrete terms.

I don't see how you are so offended that I figure PK can be a legendary figure. I did NOT say we should retire his number tomorrow, Only that he COULD have such a career. COULD And, not that it effects anything, but in REALISTIC CONCRETE TERMS....it's 16 games. Is it wrong to post positively towards the Canadiens? The fact that you find it absurdly unrealistic for me to hope for this, luckily, doen't mean it can't come to be. I'll keep dreaming none the less, some of us do that.

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I don't see how you are so offended that I figure PK can be a legendary figure. I did NOT say we should retire his number tomorrow, Only that he COULD have such a career. COULD And, not that it effects anything, but in REALISTIC CONCRETE TERMS....it's 16 games. Is it wrong to post positively towards the Canadiens? The fact that you find it absurdly unrealistic for me to hope for this, luckily, doen't mean it can't come to be. I'll keep dreaming none the less, some of us do that.

Be positive all you want. No one's stopping you from making comparisons between Subban and Larry Robinson and imagining that PK will one day have his jersey hanging from the rafters. However, don't expect everyone on this forum to share your unbridled optimism.

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I get less flack promoting my Habs from my Leafs buddies

...they cheer for the leafs...all they can do is imagine things...

as for pk, he has a very long way to go before we can start comparing him to the greats ... if he has a so-so season in 10-11 2/3rds of montreal will turn on him...it doesn't matter who you are in montreal, its eat or be eaten...we saw obyrne go from basically hated to tolerated by most this past season and even then many seemed to have kept him on thin ice...this will be pk's first full season in the nhl...what he did in 14 or so games last season will be a distant memory as soon as we hit game 3-5...because by then it'll be "what have you done for us now"...

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...they cheer for the leafs...all they can do is imagine things...

as for pk, he has a very long way to go before we can start comparing him to the greats ... if he has a so-so season in 10-11 2/3rds of montreal will turn on him...it doesn't matter who you are in montreal, its eat or be eaten...we saw obyrne go from basically hated to tolerated by most this past season and even then many seemed to have kept him on thin ice...this will be pk's first full season in the nhl...what he did in 14 or so games last season will be a distant memory as soon as we hit game 3-5...because by then it'll be "what have you done for us now"...

Fair enough, It was a nice thought, only meant to be encouraging. Thanks all for the warm welcome.

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Fair enough, It was a nice thought, only meant to be encouraging. Thanks all for the warm welcome.

dont take it as an attack against you ... just understand that we are only saying that to have this thought can lead to expectation and it may not come true ... and then what you have is a pk subban playing as a good/above average defenseman and not great ... but then you have this expecation that has been built up for so long that anything below it is seen as failure ... ex. price ... thats all

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dont take it as an attack against you ... just understand that we are only saying that to have this thought can lead to expectation and it may not come true ... and then what you have is a pk subban playing as a good/above average defenseman and not great ... but then you have this expecation that has been built up for so long that anything below it is seen as failure ... ex. price ... thats all

I agree that high expectations may can be big mistakes, and by no means is Price a failure because he hasn't delivered us a Cup, or himself a Vezina, but until Subban shows me that he isn't star material, I gotta believe. It's my silly 'half-full' mentality.

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Lol. Getting a little ahead of ourselves arent we considering he has played what, 20 games at the nhl level?

And who exactly is to say that those 20 games weren't a sneak preview? I like the optimism, especially considering being thrown into the pressure cooker and responding so well. Credit is due where it is deserved. He preformed well in 20 games, not to meantion only 2 of which were regular season. How deep into the playoffs would we have gone if subban played like a rookie? Sure he made a few rookie mistakes, but he seemed to eat pressure for breakfast. IMO some people are allegic to optimism.

Didn't one member even predict we would be swept in the first round? I will reiterate, who is to say 20 games weren't a sneak preview?

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Didn't one member even predict we would be swept in the first round? I will reiterate, who is to say 20 games weren't a sneak preview?

No one knows

But why put such high expectations on a kid .

We did it with Price now PK and I'm reading it about prospect on the Bulldogs .

Let the kid play and develop at his own pace

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And who exactly is to say that those 20 games weren't a sneak preview? I like the optimism, especially considering being thrown into the pressure cooker and responding so well. Credit is due where it is deserved. He preformed well in 20 games, not to meantion only 2 of which were regular season. How deep into the playoffs would we have gone if subban played like a rookie? Sure he made a few rookie mistakes, but he seemed to eat pressure for breakfast. IMO some people are allegic to optimism.

Didn't one member even predict we would be swept in the first round? I will reiterate, who is to say 20 games weren't a sneak preview?

Will you be my friend, all the old guys pick on me for having up-beat thoughts...I'm so lonely here with my optimisim ...my mom says their just jellous! lol Ah, leave em with their "half emptniess" we got your back PK

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I agree that high expectations may can be big mistakes, and by no means is Price a failure because he hasn't delivered us a Cup, or himself a Vezina, but until Subban shows me that he isn't star material, I gotta believe. It's my silly 'half-full' mentality.

Razor67 having high expectations for a player with the talent and exuberance shown by PK Subban, is a natural way to feel for a fan of the Habs. I myself feel exactly as you do about his play, PK leaves no doubt in my mind that he is headed for stardom in the NHL. As for him remaining a Hab, I believe he is a Hab fan and had his wish come true when Bob Gainey drafted him. So unless Montreal trades him I cannot see him play with any other Jersey than a Habs, except when he plays for Team Canada. Optimism is generally frowned upon in the Forum from what I've seen, that is why very few fans exude as much true feelings as we do. Don't let those wet blankets get you down, the future looks bright in Habland.

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Razor67 having high expectations for a player with the talent and exuberance shown by PK Subban, is a natural way to feel for a fan of the Habs. I myself feel exactly as you do about his play, PK leaves no doubt in my mind that he is headed for stardom in the NHL. As for him remaining a Hab, I believe he is a Hab fan and had his wish come true when Bob Gainey drafted him. So unless Montreal trades him I cannot see him play with any other Jersey than a Habs, except when he plays for Team Canada. Optimism is generally frowned upon in the Forum from what I've seen, that is why very few fans exude as much true feelings as we do. Don't let those wet blankets get you down, the future looks bright in Habland.

ty.........can't talk now ......fits of joy!

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Razor67 having high expectations for a player with the talent and exuberance shown by PK Subban, is a natural way to feel for a fan of the Habs. I myself feel exactly as you do about his play, PK leaves no doubt in my mind that he is headed for stardom in the NHL. As for him remaining a Hab, I believe he is a Hab fan and had his wish come true when Bob Gainey drafted him. So unless Montreal trades him I cannot see him play with any other Jersey than a Habs, except when he plays for Team Canada. Optimism is generally frowned upon in the Forum from what I've seen, that is why very few fans exude as much true feelings as we do. Don't let those wet blankets get you down, the future looks bright in Habland.

lol, it's not really "frowned upon". And it's not like the less "optimistic" people are just being negative for the sake of being negative. Most of the time, the people (who don't seem as optimistic as you are) have good reason to be.

note: negative is probably not the right word

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Will you be my friend, all the old guys pick on me for having up-beat thoughts...I'm so lonely here with my optimisim ...my mom says their just jellous! lol Ah, leave em with their "half emptniess" we got your back PK

Don't be mistaken. Those posters also have PK's back. And don't be so sure they're speaking with a half empty mentality. These people, if they saw anything of these past playoffs, are probably optimistic about PK's future too. But just because you've seen a cup half full and viewed it as being so full it's overflowing doesn't mean that others are "half empty" people. The difference between the opinions here is not a matter of optimism, being negative, or even being realistic. It's a matter of having seen so little of something and not being able to build a proper opinion on the matter.

It's like trying to read a book. Although the first paragraph of this book is certainly interesting, caught my attention, is better than the first paragraphs of many previous books I have read before, and has given me reason to believe that the rest of this book will be incredibly well written, it is what it is: just a single paragraph in a large book. You can read the first paragraph of this book and start dreaming of how great the book will be. It's your opinion, so hope all you want, no one will stop you. But, I and many here will urge you to perhaps read a couple more paragraphs, pages or even chapters before deeming this book a timeless classic.

Look, the book analogy is kind of dumb, but the point is still valid. Can we wait until after his rookie season before speaking of having room in the rafters for him?

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No 20 games does not make a hall of fame career. This being said cheer as loud & as proud as you want for him Razor. I assure you everyone else on this forum wishes nothing but the best from him.

I do know how easy it is to get attached to one player & thus he becomes you're fav but please be catiously optomistic of how his next full season with the Habs will turn out. After all, excluding exhibition & playoffs, it's 82 games not 20 or so.

At the NHL level he is still a raw rookie. Yes he has shown signs of brillance but he has made some really bad plays too. It will be interesting to see how he handles the so called "pressure cooker" of playing in Montreal & how it will effect his game.

He will make some awesome plays & he will screw up too, guaranteed. I know I will be cheering for him either way but I hope the attention he will receive will not be blown out of proportion( a la Carey Price).

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Don't be mistaken. Those posters also have PK's back. And don't be so sure they're speaking with a half empty mentality. These people, if they saw anything of these past playoffs, are probably optimistic about PK's future too. But just because you've seen a cup half full and viewed it as being so full it's overflowing doesn't mean that others are "half empty" people. The difference between the opinions here is not a matter of optimism, being negative, or even being realistic. It's a matter of having seen so little of something and not being able to build a proper opinion on the matter.

Thank you, Lynch. That's an excellent articulation of how some of us feel.

Building on your post, I would even venture to say that I am not negative but optimistic about PK's future as a Hab. That's right, optimistic. He's a personable, likable young kid with a great skill set for our team needs and evidently more maturity than your average prospect. It's nice to have a top-four D prospect who has a legitimate chance at becoming a fixture on our blue line for years to come; it's especially nice when that guy has offensive upside and hopefully eliminate the need to keep signing marginal players and aging retreads just for their PP prowess (Schneider, MAB). However, just because I am not ready to talk about possibly hanging his number from the rafters one day does not mean I'm being negative about Subban. Far from it. In fact, I feel that overhyping our prospects cheapens the pleasure of realistically assessing how PK can contribute going forward. If PK can become a solid top-four defenseman and PP specialist, I'll be very happy. But what I'm expecting from the kid is no more than what I think he can deliver. In this instance, I'm distinguishing between my own burning desire as a fan to see the next Larry Robinson put on his Habs jersey and what's realistic to expect from a particular individual named PK Subban with his own unique set of strengths and weaknesses.

We really have to stop making our prospects carry the unbearable load of our expectations in relation to the rich tradition of our hockey club.

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In light of the passionate responses to my post on the 17th I revise my idea in the following (JUST 4 LAUGHS)

You bet! There may prove room in the rafters AT CHUCKIE CHEESES for Subban if he continues to progress in the WHACK A MOLE WORLD as he has everywhere else. He is a special prospect to say the least. Long before the new season starts, he is the talk of the town. It doesn't matter too much to me how his 1st season goes. Win the HUGE TEDDYBEAR or need to head back down, IMO he will be a massive player in the future, no doubt. He has already shown he can play in the bigs, and not a push over. Because Markov is here to model for PK, his potential is magnified. I could see Subban as a Premier WHACK-A-MOLER and I can't rule out that it might be right out of the gate.

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so far the price number of pages is ahead

Don't worry. If Price's play is stellar and Subban stumbles you know who will start to get all the attention. :)

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