S-Bah Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Hamrlik's addition to our defence should help stem the Tampa Bay attack, let's hope our transition game is in full swing. This should be a long night for their goalie Mike Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habcore Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Just curious what is JM's system? this is getting insane trying to win while taking 35+ shots against a game. We have this tendency to get a lead and then go into a shell until the opponent ties it up. Well whatever JM calls his "system" he really has to take a long look at it and maybe rethink it, and yes I know the season just started but it's looking very similar to last years games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasCanadien Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Please fire JM. He is worse than Guy Carbonneau. JM, dont you realize that the Refs HATE YOU and thus go out of their way to make phantom calls against the Canadiens while turning a blind eye to penalties committed against us? What a sad sad display. And we have the rest of the season to endure.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Just curious what is JM's system? this is getting insane trying to win while taking 35+ shots against a game. We have this tendency to get a lead and then go into a shell until the opponent ties it up. Well whatever JM calls his "system" he really has to take a long look at it and maybe rethink it, and yes I know the season just started but it's looking very similar to last years games. Yea it the same thing he did in florida, its called the Goalie sucide method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnjscott Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 We're in trouble this year, I think. The rest of the teams in the "new" NHL are continuing to evolve, and we're still in the stone age. Last year we were very, very lucky to make it as far as we did. But luck should not be what a team goes on. We could be a really dangerous team with the right system. But NOOOOOOO........ another season featuring the famous melting down of Montreal. When will this stop? It's not even fun to watch hockey when it's played this poorly. JM seems like a nice enough guy, but we need a coach who can implement a brilliant system that evolves right along with the game, and even thinks ahead and creates new changes. This would even help our abysmal defense. But.....I've got a bad feeling about how soon big changes will happen with this club. Frustrating, to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honuhab Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Well he got outcoached by Guy Boucher tonight. Where is the defensive system that is supposed to be in place? 48 SOG allowed doesn't inspire confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Yep... the ugly 1-4 and sitting on a lead strategy does it again. Penalties were inevitable because of the undo pressure the system places on the players IMO. Madness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean-Counting-Hab Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 I've cut the guy quite a bit of slack because of the less than stellar defensive core we have in place, but I'm starting to have my doubts. If this persists, especially once we have Markov back for a few games, I'm going to find it hard to defend him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmerpuck Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 I have to sit back, relax and watch the Tampa Bay game again. And Pittsburgh and Toronto for that matter. Then I have to watch the Pittsburgh series from last year again and compare notes. That team was good at even strength. I have to wait a few more games before climbing all over JM. When you're given the opportunity to work the powerplay and the best you can do is come up with another penalty to zap the life out of it then the burden is on the players. The Habs just took penalties at the most inopportune times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Doesn't know how to be an effective coach in the post-lockout era. This isn't 1999, Jacques. What worked in the clutch-and-grab era does not work today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiprusoffk Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 you have speed, but don't use it. you have skills, but handcuff them. Terrible terrible game plans in place. one other thing......Why does Gill play so much 4 on 4???? boggles the mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Martin shakes things up posted by Pat Hickey at 12h06 EST on Oct 14 Coach Jacques Martin shook things up at practice today, shuffling his forward lines and defensive pairings. Travis Moen replaced Benoit Pouliot on one of the top lines with Scott Gomez and Brian Gionta while Pouliot lined up with Dustin Botd and Tom Pyatt. The third line has Jeff Halpern between Maxim Lapierre and Lars Eller. Roman Hamrlik and Jaroslav Spacek are back together on defence while P.K. Subban was paired with Alexandre Picard. Josh Gorges and Hal Gill remain together while Ryan O'Byrne was with Andrei Markov. http://www.habsinsideout.com/ Sound familiar? Three games into the season... already it looks evident that JM has identified who will be the patsies on this team, which players he will fall back on and what the negative strategy (with little or no acknowledgement of the need the revamp the system to suit the players) will be that reflects a lack of patience regarding errors for some yet not for others. When a coach has so little confidence in his players abilitites (so much so that he continues to run a shell game rather than attack) what does he do... avoids the obvious and shakes things up by flipping players. Chemistry? Good luck! Personally... I'd hate to play for him in his system of trying not to lose thereby creating undo pressure which does more to highlight costly mistakes and punish than it does to develop team confidence with a concept of trying to win. Friday the Habs shuffle off to Buffalo... and the dream of innovation will once again be on the back burner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 We fired Carbonneau and replaced him with Carbonneau's dad. Robotic coaches who worship a system even when that system is not suited to the players they have. Coaches with predetermined scapegoats who panic at the first sign of trouble and start flipping lines instead of figuring out how to make systemic adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 We fired Carbonneau and replaced him with Carbonneau's dad. Robotic coaches who worship a system even when that system is not suited to the players they have. Coaches with predetermined scapegoats who panic at the first sign of trouble and start flipping lines instead of figuring out how to make systemic adjustments. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmerpuck Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Martin shakes things up posted by Pat Hickey at 12h06 EST on Oct 14 Coach Jacques Martin shook things up at practice today, shuffling his forward lines and defensive pairings. Travis Moen replaced Benoit Pouliot on one of the top lines with Scott Gomez and Brian Gionta while Pouliot lined up with Dustin Botd and Tom Pyatt. The third line has Jeff Halpern between Maxim Lapierre and Lars Eller. Roman Hamrlik and Jaroslav Spacek are back together on defence while P.K. Subban was paired with Alexandre Picard. Josh Gorges and Hal Gill remain together while Ryan O'Byrne was with Andrei Markov. http://www.habsinsideout.com/ Sound familiar? Three games into the season... already it looks evident that JM has identified who will be the patsies on this team, which players he will fall back on and what the negative strategy (with little or no acknowledgement of the need the revamp the system to suit the players) will be that reflects a lack of patience regarding errors for some yet not for others. When a coach has so little confidence in his players abilitites (so much so that he continues to run a shell game rather than attack) what does he do... avoids the obvious and shakes things up by flipping players. Chemistry? Good luck! Personally... I'd hate to play for him in his system of trying not to lose thereby creating undo pressure which does more to highlight costly mistakes and punish than it does to develop team confidence with a concept of trying to win. Friday the Habs shuffle off to Buffalo... and the dream of innovation will once again be on the back burner. I gotta say - I'm really scared for PK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Coach Jacques Martin shook things up at practice today, shuffling his forward lines and defensive pairings. Travis Moen replaced Benoit Pouliot on one of the top lines with Scott Gomez and Brian Gionta while Pouliot lined up with Dustin Botd and Tom Pyatt. The third line has Jeff Halpern between Maxim Lapierre and Lars Eller. Ugg. Have we not already tried the Moen with the 2 g's line? In the playoffs, in tight games, this may work sporatically, but are we seriously giving up on Pouliot after 3 games? Further, Moen is presumably being brought in to help open up space - ie, lay some hits - and if im not mistaken, Pouliot now leads the team in hits after 3 games! If you're going to drop Pouliot off that first line, at very least give him someone to work with (ie. Pouliot-Eller-Laps) not 2 4th liners. I know its just practice, but this is not a positive move imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean-Counting-Hab Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 I wouldn't put too much stock into these lines. I'm not saying there won't be changes for next game, but I doubt these are very indicative of what they will be. I remember him doing the same thing last year as a wake up call to certain players. I've actually toyed with the idea of throwing Moen up with Gionta and Gomez and then having a 3rd line of Eller, Pouliot and either Boyd/Laps. You're downgrading a scoring line that isn't really working anyway and gaining some more scoring potential from a 3rd line. Ideally you'd create some competition between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 I wouldn't put too much stock into these lines. I'm not saying there won't be changes for next game, but I doubt these are very indicative of what they will be. I remember him doing the same thing last year as a wake up call to certain players. I've actually toyed with the idea of throwing Moen up with Gionta and Gomez and then having a 3rd line of Eller, Pouliot and either Boyd/Laps. You're downgrading a scoring line that isn't really working anyway and gaining some more scoring potential from a 3rd line. Ideally you'd create some competition between the two. You wish... Changing lines will do squat if the system remains stagnant, fixed, obsolete, boring, and just wrong for the players on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean-Counting-Hab Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 You wish... Changing lines will do squat if the system remains stagnant, fixed, obsolete, boring, and just wrong for the players on the roster. Agreed 100%, but I don't see much hope of our system changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 I wouldn't put too much stock into these lines. I'm not saying there won't be changes for next game, but I doubt these are very indicative of what they will be. I remember him doing the same thing last year as a wake up call to certain players. I've actually toyed with the idea of throwing Moen up with Gionta and Gomez and then having a 3rd line of Eller, Pouliot and either Boyd/Laps. You're downgrading a scoring line that isn't really working anyway and gaining some more scoring potential from a 3rd line. Ideally you'd create some competition between the two. I don't even like it as a wake-up call, to be honest, for two reasons: 1) Of all the players who may need to be woken up after last game, I don't think Benny was one of them. Where were his two linemates? 2) Puliot's biggest problems right now seem to be more mental than anything. For a guy struggling with confidence, why in blue blazes would you think it a good idea to send him to the fourth line after a pretty decent game as a 'message'? Puliot hasn't exactly been lighting it up, granted, but he does have 2 points and 12 hits in 3 games. These aren't stats that scream 'demote after three games' to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean-Counting-Hab Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 I don't even like it as a wake-up call, to be honest, for two reasons: 1) Of all the players who may need to be woken up after last game, I don't think Benny was one of them. Where were his two linemates? 2) Puliot's biggest problems right now seem to be more mental than anything. For a guy struggling with confidence, why in blue blazes would you think it a good idea to send him to the fourth line after a pretty decent game as a 'message'? Puliot hasn't exactly been lighting it up, granted, but he does have 2 points and 12 hits in 3 games. These aren't stats that scream 'demote after three games' to me Totally agree. Just to be clear to everyone, I don't like what he's doing at all; I think it's a dumb move. Just giving my opinion of what I think he is doing, and that's shaking things up in practice. Even that is conjecture so I won't begin to try to guess the reasons behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habcore Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Martin shakes things up posted by Pat Hickey at 12h06 EST on Oct 14 Coach Jacques Martin shook things up at practice today, shuffling his forward lines and defensive pairings. Travis Moen replaced Benoit Pouliot on one of the top lines with Scott Gomez and Brian Gionta while Pouliot lined up with Dustin Botd and Tom Pyatt. The third line has Jeff Halpern between Maxim Lapierre and Lars Eller. Roman Hamrlik and Jaroslav Spacek are back together on defence while P.K. Subban was paired with Alexandre Picard. Josh Gorges and Hal Gill remain together while Ryan O'Byrne was with Andrei Markov. http://www.habsinsideout.com/ Sound familiar? Wow just wow Pouliot demoted when he has been actually playing rather well, are you kiding me? He's been using his size (leads team in hits) and his speed, last night it looked like the two G's had a hard time keeping up to him. I've been hard on BP but he's played alot better in the first 3 games of this season, and JM tries to take whatever confidence he's been building this far and destroy it. Note to JM this does not help develope our prospects nor does this take the heat off of your lack of coaching evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasCanadien Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Wow just wow Pouliot demoted when he has been actually playing rather well, are you kiding me? He's been using his size (leads team in hits) and his speed, last night it looked like the two G's had a hard time keeping up to him. I've been hard on BP but he's played alot better in the first 3 games of this season, and JM tries to take whatever confidence he's been building this far and destroy it. Note to JM this does not help develope our prospects nor does this take the heat off of your lack of coaching evolution. Agree with you. And what has Moen done this year? Yes, he got into a scrap during the preseason but has been virtually invisible since the season started. And it looks like JM is going to his patented "fall back" plan for his defense. He isnt changing his system......no......the fall back plan is to "bench and blame" O'Byrne. Why? Why is the most successful and valuable franchise in all of sports consistently letting down its fans with sub-par coaching? Is it because that they know we will still watch and cheer despite having virtually no chance of winning the Cup year after year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jst-onge Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Martin has got to find a way to get the team to stop paniking when they are pressured they have to stet a system where they either trap the puck in the corner or seaql off a zone and dump the puck there. They just have to get rid of the puck as fast as they can and they end up giving the puck away if they can fix that it will go along ways to winning and not beating themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rypat19 Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 jm must hate having a physical presence of any kind why else move your top hitting forward I've cut the guy quite a bit of slack because of the less than stellar defensive core we have in place, but I'm starting to have my doubts. If this persists, especially once we have Markov back for a few games, I'm going to find it hard to defend him. count on it beans he system is giving up far too many scoring chances I personally do not care about shots but 25 scoring chances to t bay ;ugghhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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