weedleaf Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 TSNBobMcKenzie I am not working, but I can tell you TSN's Gord Miller reports San Jose has signed Niklas Hjalmarsson to a four-year, $14M offer sheet. CHI has seven days to match. Back to vacation. Chicago is soo close to the cap. THis was a GREAT move by the Sharks... WHat do you guys think Niklas Hjalmarsson was making 666k last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedleaf Posted July 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Agent for #Blackhawks' Niklas Hjalmarsson confirms Sharks' 4-year, $14 million offer sheet for defenseman. Hawks have 7 days to match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Overpay much? San Jose probably could have gotten him for less. Chicago wouldn't have been able to match a $3 million offer sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 San Jose's first and third round picks in the 2011 NHL entry draft. Good young player with a cup worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glory_Days Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 I like Hjalmarsson quite a bit, but I would'nt give up a 1st and 3rd for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid-Canada_mtl Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Well it was expected I would say. Id let San Jose have him for a 1st and a 3rd, there will be some good bottom-pair defencemen coming to play for Chicago next season for way cheaper and they have a stud top pair still with an overpaid but good player in Campbell. He is probably a decent top 4 guy but Id rather have the picks. The only way they match is by sending Huet to the minors, which theyll do anyways most likely. Plus I really dont think San Jose will do well next season, they are at the cap right now with a weaker team than last year (minus Setoguchi(well theyll probably sign him eventually)/Blake/Malhotra/Nabokov, plus Nittymaki and Hjalmarsson) that pick might be somewhere around 10-15th overall (yes thats right they might miss the playoffs). This means Hawks would have 8 picks in the first three rounds next years draft (SJ's 1st and 3rd, Toronto's 3rd, Calgary's 2nd and Atlanta's 2nd plus their own top 3 picks). Hawks should try to do Campbell + their 1st round pick in 2011 for Kaberle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Overpay much? San Jose probably could have gotten him for less. Chicago wouldn't have been able to match a $3 million offer sheet. IMHO its the only way you can actually make an offer sheet work. Offer someone a reasonable contract & the team will match. Even if they dont immediately have the money, they will move players or drop them to make it. I mean usually the cap hit isnt so much greater than they had already planned, so its not like you werent close to having enough money to match. Its a double whammy though - you end up with a guy making too much against the cap and losing valuable picks, so you'd better REALLY want the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 I like Hjalmarsson quite a bit, but I would'nt give up a 1st and 3rd for him. To be honest...I do not know much of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 IMHO its the only way you can actually make an offer sheet work. Offer someone a reasonable contract & the team will match. Even if they dont immediately have the money, they will move players or drop them to make it. I mean usually the cap hit isnt so much greater than they had already planned, so its not like you werent close to having enough money to match. Its a double whammy though - you end up with a guy making too much against the cap and losing valuable picks, so you'd better REALLY want the guy. Its kind of a lose lose situation. You get an overpaid contract and lose your #1 pick + others. Weird management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Its kind of a lose lose situation. You get an overpaid contract and lose your #1 pick + others. Weird management. Well like i said, it depends on how high you value the prospect. If you think he's a legitimate #1 defensman waiting to happen, maybe you take the risk (draft picks - even first rounders - still fail more often than they succeed). However, Im not sure Hjalmarsson will ever be that good. He's big, strong, young & mobile but imho he projects out more like a Roman Hamrlik (still very good & serviceable) than a Chris Pronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Well like i said, it depends on how high you value the prospect. If you think he's a legitimate #1 defensman waiting to happen, maybe you take the risk (draft picks - even first rounders - still fail more often than they succeed). However, Im not sure Hjalmarsson will ever be that good. He's big, strong, young & mobile but imho he projects out more like a Roman Hamrlik (still very good & serviceable) than a Chris Pronger. They're definitely counting on the Hawks Cap problems. The question now is,,,,are there other teams out there willing to give up their 1st and 3rd pick for this kid at that salary? I imagine the Hawks will do some searching with the idea of a possible match and trade in the hopes of doing better. Maybe even a package deal out there for them. They have 7 days to kick some tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Shall we start the countdown as to how long it takes the media in Toronto to run to Burke for his valued opinion on this deal?? I'm willing to bet their knocking at his door as i type this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedleaf Posted July 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Well like i said, it depends on how high you value the prospect. If you think he's a legitimate #1 defensman waiting to happen, maybe you take the risk (draft picks - even first rounders - still fail more often than they succeed). However, Im not sure Hjalmarsson will ever be that good. He's big, strong, young & mobile but imho he projects out more like a Roman Hamrlik (still very good & serviceable) than a Chris Pronger. If thats the case Kind of Like Roman Hamrlik then id wish we would have made this offer, We could have really used him as we will be losing Hammers services after next season.and Hammer has been AMAZING for our team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Don't think the Hawks can afford to match it... Not after last years mistake concerning their RFA's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 I don't know Hjalmarsson enough to say if this is overpaying him, but smart move to go after a Hawks player. The Hawks know if they match they better have a plan to move other bodies or trade Hjalmarsson (and get more than a 1st and a 3rd: or at least more than the Sharks 1st and 3rd - or they would have been better off letting him go). Whereas some other teams could probably match without having to think it through quite as much. For the Hawks, matching isn't bad just for having a bad contract and not gaining the picks, but also since they will need to move bodies to gain the cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 I don't know Hjalmarsson enough to say if this is overpaying him, but smart move to go after a Hawks player. The Hawks know if they match they better have a plan to move other bodies or trade Hjalmarsson (and get more than a 1st and a 3rd: or at least more than the Sharks 1st and 3rd - or they would have been better off letting him go). Whereas some other teams could probably match without having to think it through quite as much. For the Hawks, matching isn't bad just for having a bad contract and not gaining the picks, but also since they will need to move bodies to gain the cap space. Someone informed me by PM that you can't trade players after you match an offer sheet for one year. So disregard that part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 If thats the case Kind of Like Roman Hamrlik then id wish we would have made this offer, We could have really used him as we will be losing Hammers services after next season.and Hammer has been AMAZING for our team... Well sure, but: 1) he is projected to a roman hamrlik type - he isnt one yet - and 2) the contract is for a lot of money & if the hawks dont match, the sharks lose two good picks for him, so its not a move without its risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Someone informed me by PM that you can't trade players after you match an offer sheet for one year. So disregard that part of it. Does that apply to both the trading and receiving teams?? If it does,,, then that changes stratagy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedleaf Posted July 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 I hope to see more offer sheets like this to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Does that apply to both the trading and receiving teams?? If it does,,, then that changes stratagy. I believe so. Its the same with salary arbitration too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 I hope to see more offer sheets like this to come Its highly unlikely. They're rare and for many reasons. Your most likely, grosely overpaying for a long term deal in order for the other team not to match,, plus your giving up a lot of futures in order to get the player you want. If you really want a player badly,, then its possible to do but not without incurring a lot of pain ( unlike signing a UFA). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 And now we have another example of why offer sheets are rare. The Hawks have matched S.J.'s offer sheet. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=327374 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 They matched! I would have taken the draft picks in this situation. Hjalmarsson can no longer be traded for one year, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 They matched! I would have taken the draft picks in this situation. Hjalmarsson can no longer be traded for one year, correct? At least until the end of the calendar year. For some reason I believe the ban lifts some time in January, but I have no evidence to back up this gut feeling. Maybe someone has a link to support or refute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormalWare Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 At least until the end of the calendar year. For some reason I believe the ban lifts some time in January, but I have no evidence to back up this gut feeling. Maybe someone has a link to support or refute? My gut says the same thing; it would be awfully restrictive to deny a team the right to trade a player signed under these circumstances for the entire season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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