kinot-1 Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Because of all the "trash-talking" that MR has been doing and the fact that we don't "really" have someone who can fight (Moen is good, but he's all we have) , I was wondering if maybe now is the time to go out and get someone to stand up for the team. No, I don't mean bring back BGL . A player who can actually play as well as protect his teamates. Most, if not all teams have at least one. It might give our players more room, knowing that someone has their back. I just thought I would throw it out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31Careyprice Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 If you want a goon I would try a prospect first like Conboy, maybe in a year or 2 Shultz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 An "enforcer" in today's game needs to able to do other things too... penalty killing, scoring, or at least be a good skater who can hit and not cost his team goals by being out of position. A guy like Chris Neal is helpful to his team. A guy like Laraque or Brashear or Jody Shelley of the Flyers, not so much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Conboy or Schultz soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Conboy or Schultz soon Im not sure what the status on Conboy is. I dont beleive he has a contract with the Habs but rather with the Dogs only. I know this was the case last year and this is why we cant call him up. Maybe somebody ( swansee ) can confirm this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Im not sure what the status on Conboy is. I dont beleive he has a contract with the Habs but rather with the Dogs only. I know this was the case last year and this is why we cant call him up. Maybe somebody ( swansee ) can confirm this. wikipedia said he was drafted by us (obviously that can't be 100% confirmed)but idn if that means hes on entry level or if he is only contracted by Hamilton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Im not sure what the status on Conboy is. I dont beleive he has a contract with the Habs but rather with the Dogs only. I know this was the case last year and this is why we cant call him up. Maybe somebody ( swansee ) can confirm this. I'm fairly certain Andrew Conboy was drafted by us. With that said, he's not really an enforcer, is he? Well, he fights, but he's not in the heavyweight devision, that's for sure. He also looks like he needs to add another 25lb to his frame before he's even close to NHL ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Unless the enforcer can generate scoring on our second line, then I would say no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest archey Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 it really begs the question if the coach is going to rotate the line the right way for an enforcer to have some usefullness, to my mind. and the answer is pretty much no anyhow, as far as i'm up to saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habcore Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 What about White? He's not considered and enforcer but he has shown multiple time he's not scared to drop his gloves and stand up for a teammate, on top of that he can actually play the game. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 I have no issues with an enforcer, honestly, I'm a big fan of old time hockey. Only issue is, the role of the enforcer has changed. Enforcers nowadays aren't just there for muscle, but they're expected to contribute. If we could get a Probert type player then I'd be all for it-a player who is tough as nails, but can also play/put the puck in the net from time to time. In a cap world, you can no longer afford to pay a player (taking up a roster spot)who hardly even plays and when he does, may only play one shift per game. Today's enforcer is not only tough and able to fight, but he also needs to be able to play and contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 What about White? He's not considered and enforcer but he has shown multiple time he's not scared to drop his gloves and stand up for a teammate, on top of that he can actually play the game. Just a thought. I honestly think we had one in training with O'B, but we got rid of him before he could properly develop. Now he's developing in Colorado and getting ice time... Another move that's going to come back to bite us in the butt. Another player who leaves Montreal, only to go on and have a good career somewhere else. Maybe the kid we got for him might end up being something, but I still don't understand why we got rid of the one big body we had... When everyone's complaining about how small we are. *SIGH* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 I honestly think we had one in training with O'B, but we got rid of him before he could properly develop. Now he's developing in Colorado and getting ice time... Another move that's going to come back to bite us in the butt. Another player who leaves Montreal, only to go on and have a good career somewhere else. Maybe the kid we got for him might end up being something, but I still don't understand why we got rid of the one big body we had... When everyone's complaining about how small we are. *SIGH* I'm glad OB is having success there and really hope he goes on to have a solid career. But a former player who has a solid career as a third pairing defenseman in the West is not going to come back and bite us IMO. Because of the leadership role Gill fulfills, the only person in our lineup OB was going to be able to supplant was Picard. It was essentially a choice between those two and I think we made the right one. I think most of the "small" complaints (which frankly I think we sometimes use as a crutch to cover other deficiencies) mostly apply to our forwards, and then namely our top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 Unless the enforcer is putting up some points or can contribute in someway , be it PK or the PP then there probably isn't much room for one on the team. Don't get me wrong i love the idea of having someone who can beat the living hell out the opposite team when called upon. Looking back over the past few seasons the only guy we had who fit the bill of an enforcer was Aaron Downey. Yeah BGL beat people up but it was too hard finding a dance partner Say what you want about Downey but you never had to doubt he would stand up for his teammates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 As much as I like Conboy and Schultz and such I'd much rather work on actually developing a prospect. I'd love to see a top 6 forward be drafted in Montreal who can really rack up points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathradio Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 We must be patient with White, then he can be our enforcer. Subban has a good physical game but he is better on the PP than as a fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 I like what White can do physically and I like that he can contribute somewhat at both ends of the ice. He is a good energy player and I think he could do a better job of policing than say Travis Moen, who too often picks and chooses when he wants to be a good teammate. I think we do have a guy like Schultz who may one day be an effective enforcer type in the NHL, but I don't think we have a guy who's ready now. An enforcer in today's NHL can't just be a guy who fights. He has to be able to contribute in other ways too because otherwise it's a waste of a roster spot. I don't see any value in a guy like Laraque or Brashear or Shelley or Boogard in today's game. I'd much rather have a Chris Neil or Milan Lucic, who can fight and play big, but who can also provide some offence too. That's the type of player we need. Schultz has got a chance to turn into one of those types of players like Neil, but Conboy for me is likely not an option with what he brings currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fnveenie Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 I would love a guy like Milan Lucic. Perfect player for this role. Scores goals, fierce forechecker, decent defensively and tough as nails. I am more than supportive of the idea of an enforcer but only under the condition that he is not another Georges Laraque situation. He has to be able to play hockey AND fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fnveenie Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 I like what White can do physically and I like that he can contribute somewhat at both ends of the ice. He is a good energy player and I think he could do a better job of policing than say Travis Moen, who too often picks and chooses when he wants to be a good teammate. I think we do have a guy like Schultz who may one day be an effective enforcer type in the NHL, but I don't think we have a guy who's ready now. An enforcer in today's NHL can't just be a guy who fights. He has to be able to contribute in other ways too because otherwise it's a waste of a roster spot. I don't see any value in a guy like Laraque or Brashear or Shelley or Boogard in today's game. I'd much rather have a Chris Neil or Milan Lucic, who can fight and play big, but who can also provide some offence too. That's the type of player we need. Schultz has got a chance to turn into one of those types of players like Neil, but Conboy for me is likely not an option with what he brings currently. I really like Ryan White too. He works so hard and is pretty tough. He scores too. However the problem with him is that I don't see him being a much better fighter than Moen; he can hold his own, but he is not a guy who can go up against a player like Boogard, Shelly or Orr. And I don't care how well he fits this role, I will NEVER support Chris freaking Neal being on our hockey team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 I really like Ryan White too. He works so hard and is pretty tough. He scores too. However the problem with him is that I don't see him being a much better fighter than Moen; he can hold his own, but he is not a guy who can go up against a player like Boogard, Shelly or Orr. And I don't care how well he fits this role, I will NEVER support Chris freaking Neal being on our hockey team No, White cannot fight with the Boogards or Shelly's of the league but I don't know that we need that kind of guy. We really just need a guy who can step in and stick up for a teammate of a guy like a Colby Armstrong or a Patrick Kaleta or Jarko Ruutu or Matt Cooke tries to pull something on one of our talented players. We really don't have a guy who is willing to go out and challenge the other team's weasels night after night. Moen does it occasionally but not enough. Yes, he's a veteran now, but his value is mainly in his size and his being able to support his teammates. he's not particularly skilled at anything else, so it's not enough for him to think he can pick his spots just because he's been in the league for a while. Lapierre has done a better job this year of jumping in and he's smaller than Moen and brings more outside of the rough stuff. White will be an improvement over Moen not in terms of fighting ability but in will to fight and defend his teammates. As for Neil, I absolutely detest him and ruutu, but there's no denying he does a great job at what he does for the sens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIENS27 Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 Can this enforcer also play the game? As much as we need scoring, we'll need an enforcer who can also keep opposing players away from the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 I would love a guy like Milan Lucic. Perfect player for this role. Scores goals, fierce forechecker, decent defensively and tough as nails. I am more than supportive of the idea of an enforcer but only under the condition that he is not another Georges Laraque situation. He has to be able to play hockey AND fight. now if only we drafted him instead of Ben Maxwell, oh well Can't win em all and I like Maxwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagger4321 Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 I don't think we need an enforcer, just a good power forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 just a good power forward. Would be my top priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathradio Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 I like what White can do physically and I like that he can contribute somewhat at both ends of the ice. He is a good energy player and I think he could do a better job of policing than say Travis Moen, who too often picks and chooses when he wants to be a good teammate. I think we do have a guy like Schultz who may one day be an effective enforcer type in the NHL, but I don't think we have a guy who's ready now. An enforcer in today's NHL can't just be a guy who fights. He has to be able to contribute in other ways too because otherwise it's a waste of a roster spot. I don't see any value in a guy like Laraque or Brashear or Shelley or Boogard in today's game. I'd much rather have a Chris Neil or Milan Lucic, who can fight and play big, but who can also provide some offence too. That's the type of player we need. Schultz has got a chance to turn into one of those types of players like Neil, but Conboy for me is likely not an option with what he brings currently. Or maybe one who could provide sone defense if our enforcer was to be a D-man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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