sharpshooter14 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I'd like White to be the first guy up... he deserves it after the camp he had and we need a guy who won't put up with us being pushed around. Absolutely right about White, that would certainly add a little grit. But we need a goon that could skate and crush guys against the boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpshooter14 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Watching games like this would frustrate me a lot less if someone behind the bench would publicly complain about the Ref's every once and a while, and not be afraid of getting fined. Did anyone notice the ear full Lindy Ruff gave the Ref for the interference call in the first period. It worked for Lindy and his team, after that the Refs let almost every infraction go by, as far as Buffalo was concerned. I used to love watching games....now, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Watching games like this would frustrate me a lot less if someone behind the bench would publicly complain about the Ref's every once and a while, and not be afraid of getting fined. Did anyone notice the ear full Lindy Ruff gave the Ref for the interference call in the first period. It worked for Lindy and his team, after that the Refs let almost every infraction go by, as far as Buffalo was concerned. I used to love watching games....now, not so much. When was the last time JM ever got excited about a call, and give the refs an earfull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habfan4lfe Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 What a lousy game that was. When was the last time JM ever got excited about a call, and give the refs an earfull? Ya I know eh! I'm starting to feel that there is only some of us that see it that way though. All the ones above us don't see that side of the coin yet. This team is going nowhere this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 When was the last time JM ever got excited about a call, and give the refs an earfull? I mean at the same time, if JM did that and we still got crap penalties called against us it would be his fault for yapping to the referee right? There's nothing our coach can do if the referees are going to call a crappy game against us. He can blow up on them, he can call them out in the media, there is no guarantee that anything will change the next game. In fact, it could just go and make things worse and then what? JM is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I mean at the same time, if JM did that and we still got crap penalties called against us it would be his fault for yapping to the referee right?There's nothing our coach can do if the referees are going to call a crappy game against us. He can blow up on them, he can call them out in the media, there is no guarantee that anything will change the next game. In fact, it could just go and make things worse and then what? JM is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Works for other teams,,,,,or so it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Works for other teams,,,,,or so it seems. We only see it work when we want it to. Look at where the Sabres are in terms of the PP opportunities, they have 173 we have 161. The Rangers, with a coach who yells and screams, have 167 opportunities to our 161. Washington, with their coach who gets in the ears of referees, has 166. Boston, with Julien who we have seen get in the ears of referees before has 165. There's nothing to suggest that it works in their favour and our coach not saying anything has a negative affect on us. At the end of the day, if a referee is going to call a penalty for or against they're going to do it based on their decision and not because a coach "pressured" them into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpshooter14 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I mean at the same time, if JM did that and we still got crap penalties called against us it would be his fault for yapping to the referee right? There's nothing our coach can do if the referees are going to call a crappy game against us. He can blow up on them, he can call them out in the media, there is no guarantee that anything will change the next game. In fact, it could just go and make things worse and then what? JM is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Can it possibly get any worse, seriously? No one complains and the Ref's take the liberty at basically controlling the outcome of the game. The hit on Cam deserved more than two lousy minutes. If I was the one that pushed Cam in the boards and got only two minutes, I would target another good player and hoped to get away with another 2 min. Non Calls like that will eventually lead to a career ending hit and then maybe management will make their voices heard.....when it's too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Can it possibly get any worse, seriously? No one complains and the Ref's take the liberty at basically controlling the outcome of the game. The hit on Cam deserved more than two lousy minutes. If I was the one that pushed Cam in the boards and got only two minutes, I would target another good player and hoped to get away with another 2 min. Non Calls like that will eventually lead to a career ending hit and then maybe management will make their voices heard.....when it's too late. When Laps did it last year and he got 4 games, there was no call on it. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpshooter14 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 When Laps did it last year and he got 4 games, there was no call on it. It happens. Would you say that both hits were similar? I think they were, so lets see if the same punishment is handed down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Would you say that both hits were similar? I think they were, so lets see if the same punishment is handed down. We both know the league has no standard lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpshooter14 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 The point that I was trying to make was that hits like the one on Halpren tonight have to be called. Halpren didn't play in the third period because of the flu, he was suffering from the shot to the head he received when he was checked against the boards. These calls have to be made and when they are not, management has to stand up and make themselves herd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 The point that I was trying to make was that hits like the one on Halpren tonight have to be called. Halpren didn't play in the third period because of the flu, he was suffering from the shot to the head he received when he was checked against the boards. These calls have to be made and when they are not, management has to stand up and make themselves herd. All I'm going to say is, just because we don't hear them doesn't mean they aren't making themselves heard. There is a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes that we, as fans, will never get to see or hear. It is probably in the best interest of the team that our management isn't out there firing off at the mouth to the media. I doubt that PG and Co. are sitting idly by and letting things happen to our players without saying anything. At the end of the day though, if the league is going hire incompetent officials, no amount of complaining is going to do anything. By the way, JM did address the inconsistency of the officiating tonight. He said that Eller took shots to the face and there were no calls and the referees should know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 It's funny because when we have coaches who give it to the refs like Therrien and/or Carbo fans whine and whine and whine after every game the calls don't go our way that they're pissing the refs off and it's costing us. Jacques has coached in the league a long time, he's coached teams that have been in the upper tier in terms of PP opportunities in a season and vice versa. It's probably just some fans blowing off steam and looking for things to complain about but really, damned if you do, damned if you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathon.Man Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Keep the stReeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak ALIVE! GO HABS GO!!!!!!!!! I really don't care about what BUFFs want.....I want to keep the winning streak ALIVE Next game HABBIES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 It's funny because when we have coaches who give it to the refs like Therrien and/or Carbo fans whine and whine and whine after every game the calls don't go our way that they're pissing the refs off and it's costing us. Jacques has coached in the league a long time, he's coached teams that have been in the upper tier in terms of PP opportunities in a season and vice versa. It's probably just some fans blowing off steam and looking for things to complain about but really, damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you look back at the numbers, we had more PK's to kill under Carbonneau but we also had way more PP's, such that the difference was actually negligible. Under JM, we have been penalized many more times than we have had PP's and actually rank last in the league in terms of the difference between the two. And you might say somebody has to finish last, but we held this distinction last season too, so it's a trend not just an anomaly. I agree with other poster - Tortorella and Burke and Ruff and Hitchcock and Boudreau all spent a good amount of time yelling at the refs and their teams don't seem to have suffered for it, and the numbers show we are suffering more form JM being passive than from Carbo being overly active. As a fan, I hated feeling like the refs were trying to get back at our coach, but at least we felt like someone was making the point for us when we can't ourselves, especially on a road game when our fans aren't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsRuleForever Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Reffing aside, we still had our chance to win the game. Full marks to our boys though for the road point. I would like to say more but I've read the post in red ink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Positive. 3-0-1 against Buffalo this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breathe Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Giving Gerbe the 3rd star is just a slap in the face. He was the aggressor all game and never even got penalized for it (thanks refs!). Even when it was Gerbe who punched out Gomez and knocked him down, the refs gave them both a penalty, because apparently defending yourself while you're laying down on the ice being mobbed by 4 Sabres players is against the rules... And let's not even get into that last penalty that gave the Sabres the win. Gerbe was clearly holding Gomez and slashing the back of his legs, but he knew they wouldn't call him for it because they'd already let 3 obvious Buffalo penalties go within the 2 minutes prior. And then of course when Gomez retaliates with a hand to Gerbe's face WE get a penalty? I'd understand if that incident had happened out of nowhere, but when the refs overlook 3 obvious calls in a row against the Sabres, they have to offer Gomez some leniency. Especially that late in the 3rd period where you cause a 4 on 3 in overtime, which is pretty much a guaranteed goal. Is it a coincidence that the two refs who were at last night's game are also the two refs who penalize us the most relative to our opponent? Maybe, maybe not but regardless this was the worst officiated game I have seen all year by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breathe Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 The quoted post was removed. HTL Let's not overreact here, we're still doing fine this season. If the refs were out to get us last night (which obviously they were) then there's nothing JM could have done to stop it. Honestly yelling at the refs would probably make them even more hostile toward us. And just because JM didn't say anything about it publicly doesn't mean that nothing's being said to the league - he'd actually be wise to keep these discussions away from the media. He isn't the only person who can represent the team you know. So yes, the refs were horribly biased in the Sabres' favor, but it's not like we haven't been shafted before, because it happens to us a lot (usually from the same refs, namely Kimmerly, Leggo, Lee, etc). Just imagine if Subban or Gill or Spacek did what Myers did to Eller. Can you imagine us NOT getting a penalty from that? It's completely ridiculous, but at the same time JM doesn't really have any control over what the refs do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I think this thread has run its course. Tempers are still a little on the hot side and i would remind people to please post within forum rules if expressing your feelings in other threads. CLOSED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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