Forever_Habs10 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 LEMIEUX QUESTIONS DIRECTION OF NHL FOLLOWING GAME WITH ISLES Dammit...I missed that game,anyone catch it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncivilengineer Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 LEMIEUX QUESTIONS DIRECTION OF NHL FOLLOWING GAME WITH ISLES Dammit...I missed that game,anyone catch it? I didn't but I hear it had more penalty minutes than our game vs Boston. Though i can't help but think that its calling the kettle black. Two words: Matt Cooke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Two words: Matt Cooke. Big surprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsRuleForever Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I didn't but I hear it had more penalty minutes than our game vs Boston. Though i can't help but think that its calling the kettle black. Two words: Matt Cooke. Exactly right. I only caught the last half of the third however I know RSD was watching. So there was no fisticuffs when Mario played????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncivilengineer Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I also think the pens got off easy, i mean the Isles got 2 players suspended and a $100,000 fine while only one person on the pens got suspended. I don't know all the specifics, and maybe it was warranted, but keep in mind the only reason a pen got suspended is because he left the bench to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I also think the pens got off easy, i mean the Isles got 2 players suspended and a $100,000 fine while only one person on the pens got suspended. I don't know all the specifics, and maybe it was warranted, but keep in mind the only reason a pen got suspended is because he left the bench to fight. So,super Mario is just......whining....becauseeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....Cindy's not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I saw the game, and like a few others have said, Mario's right that was a complete travesty. But he's also completely wrong. He employs Cooke. He has absolutely no room to talk about anything. He should've just been overjoyed that only his exceedingly guilty player Goddard got suspended, and Bylsma was neither fined nor suspended, and shut up about it. Everyone knows Greg Campbell's father gives the Penguins an extreme amount of leeway. Lemieux shouldn't get greedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 That game was just stupid in ever sense of the word. But, like many, I have no sympathy for Lemuieux. His comments can barely be taken serious by me. He has a guy on his team who goes around trying to cause career ending injuries to players and the guy barely ever gets suspended. Then he gets mad because his team finally got a dose of its own medicine? It can't be the fact that his team is in the midst of a slump and he sees that they're really not all that without their two stars to carry them right? Come on Mario, you know your team had just as big a role to play in those fights you were losing 6-2! You got away without any real suspensions or fines, stop complaining. The Islanders are going to take 3 years to recover that 100 000 the game cost them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 LEMIEUX QUESTIONS DIRECTION OF NHL FOLLOWING GAME WITH ISLES Dammit...I missed that game,anyone catch it? if the link doesn't work go to hasbinsideout and you can watch it there. Ya i don't feel the least bit sorry for Super Mario and his precious penguins. When you have one of the dirtiest, gutless, waste of amniotic fluid playing for you (Matt Cooke) you have NO grounds to call anyone out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I also think the pens got off easy, i mean the Isles got 2 players suspended and a $100,000 fine while only one person on the pens got suspended. I don't know all the specifics, and maybe it was warranted, but keep in mind the only reason a pen got suspended is because he left the bench to fight. It was absolutely warranted in my opinion. Here's the video, you can see the replays of the two hits that resulted in suspensions at 3:41 and 6:20: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0OO46418P8 In the first one Martin come up to Talbot from behind and just starts hitting him in the face. That's not a hockey fight, that's just thuggish violence. The second actually makes me sick to watch it. Gilles delivers an intentional blindside elbow to the head of Tangradi, who is actually playing hockey at the time. Tangradi immediately crumples; this alone would have been suspendable in my opinion, let alone what happens next. Gilles doesn't even let Tangradi hit the ground, he instead holds him up and keeps punching his head as Tangradi hangs there completely limp. It's like knocking a guy out in boxing and then sitting over him while he's on the ground continuing to hit him in the head. Forget suspension, I honestly think Trevor Gillies should face criminal charges. Nine games is nothing, and Lemieux is 100% correct. Now I'm no huge Penguins fan and I don't think you'll find many people who dislike Matt Cooke more than I do (for many of the same reasons as I dislike guys like Gilles). But that was disgusting, and I mean that in the truest sense of the word. There's no place for that in hockey (or anywhere for that matter), and I would be happier if he was suspended for the season if not banned outright. The Habs/Bruins game had a lot of fights, and many were one-sided, but it was nowhere close to what went on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 . He has a guy on his team who goes around trying to cause career ending injuries to players and the guy barely ever gets suspended. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncivilengineer Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 It was absolutely warranted in my opinion. Here's the video, you can see the replays of the two hits that resulted in suspensions at 3:41 and 6:20: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0OO46418P8 In the first one Martin come up to Talbot from behind and just starts hitting him in the face. That's not a hockey fight, that's just thuggish violence. The second actually makes me sick to watch it. Gilles delivers an intentional blindside elbow to the head of Tangradi, who is actually playing hockey at the time. Tangradi immediately crumples; this alone would have been suspendable in my opinion, let alone what happens next. Gilles doesn't even let Tangradi hit the ground, he instead holds him up and keeps punching his head as Tangradi hangs there completely limp. It's like knocking a guy out in boxing and then sitting over him while he's on the ground continuing to hit him in the head. Forget suspension, I honestly think Trevor Gillies should face criminal charges. Nine games is nothing, and Lemieux is 100% correct. Now I'm no huge Penguins fan and I don't think you'll find many people who dislike Matt Cooke more than I do (for many of the same reasons as I dislike guys like Gilles). But that was disgusting, and I mean that in the truest sense of the word. There's no place for that in hockey (or anywhere for that matter), and I would be happier if he was suspended for the season if not banned outright. The Habs/Bruins game had a lot of fights, and many were one-sided, but it was nowhere close to what went on here. Now that I see it the hits were terrible. I don't agree with Godard only getting a suspension though, I mean BOTH Johnson and Godard were hitting Haley, which is just not right especially when they landed blows at the same time. Bylsma should have gotten a fine or something as well, it just seems rather lopsided in how this was handled in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Now that I see it the hits were terrible. I don't agree with Godard only getting a suspension though, I mean BOTH Johnson and Godard were hitting Haley, which is just not right especially when they landed blows at the same time. Bylsma should have gotten a fine or something as well, it just seems rather lopsided in how this was handled in my opinion. Yeah, I'm not disagreeing that Pittsburgh may have gotten off easy, but at least they did get Goddard. It's just that Gilles in particular was so far beyond what is considered acceptable in the game of hockey that I really think they should have absolutely thrown the book at him. For those bringing up Cooke, I say: exactly. Cooke should have been punished in other instances just like Gilles should be punished here. Two wrongs don't make a right, especially when it's peoples livelihoods (and possibly lives) on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncivilengineer Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 This could quickly become a state of the league thread. I don't see much more coming in harsher punishments anytime soon. Long gone seem the days of Bertuzzi-like punishments (who ended the career of a young player might I add) even for repeat offenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0OO46418P8 Thanks for posting this video....WOW...what a game or fight night ...yea,super Mario wants heads huh,looks likes his boys got taken to the woodshed for an old-fashion whooping. PS....can we sign this Haley,Haley,Haley dude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiLla Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I'm a bit on the fence about this. I generally agree with Lemieux in that I don't think the league can afford to let games like DAL-BOS, MTL-BOS or PIT-NYI happen without handing out suspensions. On a personal note, while I really enjoy the physical aspect of hockey in general, games that really get out of hand like the ones I just mentioned tend to bore me to death after the initial excitement surrounding a line brawl wears off. This is nothing but my personal opinion though and I understand that there's hockey fans who have a different opinion and really enjoy such games. As for Lemieux speaking out though, I think it's hypocrisy at its best for obvious reasons. His team leads the entire NHL in fighting majors, he employs or used to employ cheap-shot artists like Cooke and Armstrong and his head coach reserves roster spots for guys like Godard, Rupp or Engelland. That's perfectly fine and within rules, but it strikes me as extremely weird to complain about it when other teams resort to the very same tactics. Where I agree with him again is that the league has failed to send a message just like it did many times before. It's not the fighting that bugs me, not at all actually, it's the blatant goonery and bush-league like behavior on the ice that needs to be eliminated from the game once and for all. I don't want to see hockey players jumping unsuspecting opponents from behind like last Friday in New York or last Wednesday in Boston and I think the only way to go about this is handing out hefty suspensions and fines. Placing a bigger burden on the referees to keep the really ugly stuff out of the game is an important factor as well, although this is probably not going to happen as long as the same old boys club is running the show. This is a supposed to be a professional sports league and it has no obligation whatsoever to 'create employment opportunities' for goons, bullies, scrappers and brawlers as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to come off as a moralist or something but this really seems to be the only pro league that not only tolerates but apparently encourages borderline criminal behavior. I mean try jumping a guy from behind in a bar after a verbal altercation and start swinging away, I assume we all know what's likely going to happen next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 This could quickly become a state of the league thread. I don't see much more coming in harsher punishments anytime soon. Long gone seem the days of Bertuzzi-like punishments (who ended the career of a young player might I add) even for repeat offenders. Yep, 100% agreed. And it's too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Next time these two teams meet...Fri Apr 8, 2011 Penguins/ Islanders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIENS27 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 By now, everyone knows even the goaltenders got into it and the revelation here is I'm the one posting this information. Is anyone wondering why no one mentioned this before? On the other hand, why bother asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Is anyone wondering why no one mentioned this before? I'm thinking because we seen it it the above video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsRuleForever Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Next time these two teams meet...Fri Apr 8, 2011 Penguins/ Islanders The game being that late in the season, most likely nothing will happen. Well I guess that depends on the Islanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddienmike Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 I saw the game and it was travesty just like our game against the Booins,I don't care that Mario is a hypocrite I agree with every word he said,one of the things they should do is deduct points to penalise teams that fight, then they couldn't get to the playoffs and that would mean each player would lose money,you would soon see the players police themselves .The way the Booins came out looking to fight against us,they had every intention of bullying us into submission,as far as I am concerned that's dirty play which is cheating,and people who cheat should never win,I would like them to stop the game when it gets out of hand,but that is a bit unfair for the fans who paid a lot of money to be there,so take away points for cheating and thuggery,you would soon see a difference in the game,for the better as far as I am concerned. I do like the contact in the game but it doesn't have to be cheating, a good hit can be nice to see but how many of them are good and even when they are it can start a fight. There is enough violence in this world without watching it on the ice,there are some teams that never fight and they do well. GO HABS GO <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 This reminds me of a post that First Star put up. I remember this because I agree with it so strongly, even though i wasn't around in the time period hes talking about. He said that before the instigator rule, there was a code. No one threw a dirty hit from behind, to the head, left their feet, because they knew that someone would have the victims back...and the hitter would just become a target and probably lose a few teeth once the night was over. Not to mention a league ruling most likely. (Or at least thats how I understand what FS said). Now with the instigator rules, theres no need for the code because they can't start a fight, and so when they hit dirty theres a fine and a suspension. Big deal, few games away and a couple thousand dollars later their back in the game. I agree with everything Mario said, I'm glad he said it, and I hope more owners, gm's, coaches, players, and alumni speak up. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canardien Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Mario stood up for his team, he rarely speaks & it usually is relevant when he does like that time. Milbury after Gillies' 2nd barbarian act: “I love guys that play tough hockey but this is a guy that doesn’t get it. This is a guy that crosses the line and doesn’t know what’s appropriate and what’s inappropriate behavior in a hockey game and that’s a dangerous, dangerous thing. When you have guys like that it’s not just to win a hockey game, it’s to get rid of some personal demons that he has in his own background. It becomes scary. “The league has to step in here and the Islanders general manger, the Islanders coach, and the Islanders owner have to figure this out. They’ve embarrassed themselves here one time too many. OK you have an incident, that happens from time to time, but Garth Snow should be embarrassed for his team and so should Jack Capuano. They happen to be friends of mine. I hope they get it and if they don’t get it, I hope the league gives it to them.” “He’s not a hockey player. This guy is not a hockey player. Get him out of the league as soon as you can. When you have that, he’s not trying to play hockey, he’s trying to make a personal statement.” I absolutely agree. There should be a rule that any *cough* player *cough* that finishes a season with more penalty time than ice time should be banned for life. Cooke may be vicious on occasions but he's not stupid and he CAN play hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted March 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Cooke may be vicious on occasions but he's not stupid I beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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