Guest Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 What is it with these idiots that participate in riots? Are they not aware of the probability of being filmed in the commitment of a criminal act?? Are people really this stupid?? Once again i'm left stunned by events like last night. What steps can be taken to avoid situations like this? Officials need to throw the book at these people. No more slaps to the wrist. There needs to be circulated information, prior to an event like this, that ANYBODY found guilty of rioting/looting will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. No mercy will be shown. I would even add that all convicted participants should have to undergo psychiatric evaluation, at their own expense,,, followed by treatment if needed ( willing to bet the numbers are high). As a fan of hockey, i detest people like this that give the whole country and true NHL fans a bad reputation. My sympathies to everybody who had damage to personal property last night. Get these fools off the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsRuleForever Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I haven't been on any other websites(because I don't want to see the Bruins holding the cup) but I'm sure it was a certain group of "fans" that just wanted to cause trouble. I agree there needs to be tougher penalties. However when you let that many people gather at one place and add alcohol, you're asking for trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiLla Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I haven't been on any other websites(because I don't want to see the Bruins holding the cup) but I'm sure it was a certain group of "fans" that just wanted to cause trouble. I agree there needs to be tougher penalties. However when you let that many people gather at one place and add alcohol, you're asking for trouble. I'm not sure about that my friend. During the 2006 soccer WC in Germany, public viewing events were organized throughout the entire country, drawing crowds of up to 750.000 people in Berlin for example. Yet we didn't see burning police cars, vandalism and looting. Needless to say that alcohol was readily available during those events as well and drinking in public is perfectly legal in Germany anyway. Or just think about the biggest rock festivals in the world, where hundreds of thousands of intoxicated people get together to have a good time without looting shops, burning cars, and suddenly behaving like cave-dwellers. IMO it's too easy to blame big crowds and alcohol for what happened in Vancouver or Montreal last year. Crowd control is certainly a problem, but it does work elsewhere. I have a hard time understanding why some people seem to completely loose it after hockey games over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsRuleForever Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Sorry what I meant was disgruntled people or people who are looking to cause trouble, not people gathered to have a good time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiLla Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Sorry what I meant was disgruntled people or people who are looking to cause trouble, not people gathered to have a good time. Yeah, it's really frustrating to see that a few bad apples can totally ruin a family-oriented event for everybody. And that's why I agree with htl, those guys should be punished as severely as possible IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsRuleForever Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Yeah, it's really frustrating to see that a few bad apples can totally ruin a family-oriented event for everybody. And that's why I agree with htl, those guys should be punished as severely as possible IMO. Yes they should be made an example of however that probably won't stop the next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Yes they should be made an example of however that probably won't stop the next one. Advertisement is a powerful tool HRF. IMO, if they publish/advertise the consequences PRIOR to the event, then it becomes a case of RIOTERS BEWARE,,,,you WILL be caught and severely punished. The technology available today should ensure this outcome. If people are still STUPID enough to proceed, they they absolutely do need to be mentally tested and treated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncivilengineer Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Advertisement is a powerful tool HRF. IMO, if they publish/advertise the consequences PRIOR to the event, then it becomes a case of RIOTERS BEWARE,,,,you WILL be caught and severely punished. The technology available today should ensure this outcome. If people are still STUPID enough to proceed, they they absolutely do need to be mentally tested and treated. To be honest, it probably won't be THAT much of a deterrent. If you look at some of the photos on CBC some of the rioters/looters have no one piece of canucks gear on them (who would do that in downtown Vancouver last night). Not to mention many were wearing handkerchiefs on their faces. These people went downtown with a clear purpose (and the resources to start large fires) and this would've happened either way in my opinion. While despicable, its giving the true hockey fans a bad rep because of these idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 To be honest, it probably won't be THAT much of a deterrent. If you look at some of the photos on CBC some of the rioters/looters have no one piece of canucks gear on them (who would do that in downtown Vancouver last night). Not to mention many were wearing handkerchiefs on their faces. These people went downtown with a clear purpose (and the resources to start large fires) and this would've happened either way in my opinion. While despicable, its giving the true hockey fans a bad rep because of these idiots. I've watched a lot of coverage so far, and although you make a point about those in disguise,,, i don't agree about the lack of hockey fans being involved. I saw video of fans (with Jersey's) dancing on overturned cars and tossing objects at police and breaking windows. It's a case of whatever the media tries to portray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I've watched a lot of coverage so far, and although you make a point about those in disguise,,, i don't agree about the lack of hockey fans being involved. I saw video of fans (with Jersey's) dancing on overturned cars and tossing objects at police and breaking windows. It's a case of whatever the media tries to portray. Anyone can put on a jersey though. We've seen riots in Montreal after wins and losses. I just find it hard to believe that all those who were rioting can/should be considered hockey fans because they had a jersey on. They could have been bandwagon idiots who just came out because they knew it was game 7 and one way or another they were there to cause trouble. It wouldn't have been any different if Vancouver had won. These are the same people who would have broken into stores, started fires and caused fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncivilengineer Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I've watched a lot of coverage so far, and although you make a point about those in disguise,,, i don't agree about the lack of hockey fans being involved. I saw video of fans (with Jersey's) dancing on overturned cars and tossing objects at police and breaking windows. It's a case of whatever the media tries to portray. True there were many involved, but how many of them actually started things or just got swept up in the emotion at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Anyone can put on a jersey though. We've seen riots in Montreal after wins and losses. I just find it hard to believe that all those who were rioting can/should be considered hockey fans because they had a jersey on. They could have been bandwagon idiots who just came out because they knew it was game 7 and one way or another they were there to cause trouble. It wouldn't have been any different if Vancouver had won. These are the same people who would have broken into stores, started fires and caused fights. It wasn't a case of ALL those involved being hockey fans RSD. Let's not however exclude them,,, as the media is trying to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncivilengineer Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 It wasn't a case of ALL those involved being hockey fans RSD. Let's not however exclude them,,, as the media is trying to do. From all I've seen in the media, they called all of them hockey fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 It wasn't a case of ALL those involved being hockey fans RSD. Let's not however exclude them,,, as the media is trying to do. Of course, I'm sure there were fans involved. The degree of hockey fan is what I will question though. I mean, my cousin is a hard core Canucks fan and he lives in BC. He was out last night, but he called me around midnight est. and was talking to me about the game from his home. Him and his friends got out of there, as I'm sure many others did, before all this started because they were bummed about the game and just wanted to go home. There are always going to be idiots, I'll put them in the 15-20ish age group. How many of these people rioting last night were actual fans of the Canucks or just young fools out for boozing and nonsense is one that is going to be debated for a while. It's the same when riots happen after Montreal beats a team to advance to the next round. Stores get smashed, and people riot. How many of them are actually fans of the team and how many are just there in jerseys to take advantage of the situation? I think the media is trying to point out that it's not fair to lump the term Canucks/Hockey Fans and Rioters together today. Idiots exist everywhere, apparently a large population live in and around Vancouver though. What they did last night to their own city was beyond stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinnipegJet Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I've watched a lot of coverage so far, and although you make a point about those in disguise,,, i don't agree about the lack of hockey fans being involved. I saw video of fans (with Jersey's) dancing on overturned cars and tossing objects at police and breaking windows. It's a case of whatever the media tries to portray. Spot-on. People are too quick to say that these aren't hockey fans - there are plenty in Canucks gear (jerseys, shirts, hats, colours) wreaking havoc. From CBC's overhead shots, there were definitely tonnes of people in the streets without obvious Canucks gear too during the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinoCyber Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 At least it didn't get as bad as Detroit in '67 - back then they had to call out the National Guard and break out several tanks, which had to fire on rooftop snipers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsRuleForever Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Advertisement is a powerful tool HRF. IMO, if they publish/advertise the consequences PRIOR to the event, then it becomes a case of RIOTERS BEWARE,,,,you WILL be caught and severely punished. The technology available today should ensure this outcome. If people are still STUPID enough to proceed, they they absolutely do need to be mentally tested and treated. However in the heat of the moment they are obviously not thinking of any type of onsequences of their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddienmike Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Even morons can be hockey "fans",that doesn't mean to say they didn't go out with the idea of starting trouble,they did, they had molatov cocktails in their possession,that means whatever happened in the game,there would have been the same result,I used to live in downtown Vancouver until just over a year ago,there are a lot of trouble makers and gangs in the area,and other parts of the city,but most of the people are really nice,it was the same in Europe with the football hooligans,they go to games with the intent of causing trouble. They closed all the liquor stores at 4 pm in Vancouver last night,but it didn't make any difference,they were intent on going looting,picked the stores they wanted it was not random.It had nothing to do with the game it was just taking the opportunity,I hope they all go to jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 What is it with these idiots that participate in riots? Are they not aware of the probability of being filmed in the commitment of a criminal act?? Are people really this stupid?? Yes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Spot-on. People are too quick to say that these aren't hockey fans - there are plenty in Canucks gear (jerseys, shirts, hats, colours) wreaking havoc. From CBC's overhead shots, there were definitely tonnes of people in the streets without obvious Canucks gear too during the game. Agreed completely. For me I say the following two statements together paint the most accurate picture: Most hockey fans were not rioters. Most rioters were hockey fans. And not everyone who rioted came equipped with a gas can and a sledge hammer. Sure there were a few 'professionals' who were probably looking to start things just to loot the stores, but the majority of the damage was caused by 20-something guys in Canucks jerseys. And even if some weren't burning cars or hitting cops, standing around cheering it on is almost as bad. If the hockey fans had just cleared out and gone home then the police would have had no trouble rounding up the worst of the trouble-makers. Even those who were drunk and fighting took police/hostpital resources away from going after the ones damaging property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Spot-on. People are too quick to say that these aren't hockey fans - there are plenty in Canucks gear (jerseys, shirts, hats, colours) wreaking havoc. From CBC's overhead shots, there were definitely tonnes of people in the streets without obvious Canucks gear too during the game. I think what should come across is that in my opinion,its not the fans who initiate the riots....but yes,the fans do end up getting involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 NEARLY 150 INJURED, SOME SERIOUSLY, IN VANCOUVER RIOT VANCOUVER - Vancouver's police chief painted a starkly contrasting picture Thursday of rioters intent on causing mayhem and attacking police officers with citizens linking arms to protect others from further harm. Police Chief Jim Chu said nine officers were injured, including one that required 14 stitches after being hit with a brick. Another suffered a concussion and several were bitten by rioters. But he also said when one person fell to the ground and was surrounded by an increasingly dangerous crowd, other spectators encircled the injured to allow police to get to the person to safety. Chu referred to the rioters as "criminals, anarchists and thugs." "We are fully committed to tracking down these criminals." As hospitals tended to almost 150 injured in Vancouver's hockey riots, dawn broke with dozens of volunteers patrolling the city's entertainment strip, picking up debris and garbage. Al Cyrenne carried his broom downtown as he made his way downtown on the Canada Line. "I'm all choked up," he said, as he surveyed broken windows and debris on a downtown street. "I can't believe the scene. Just talking about it bring me to tears. I can't believe the people of Vancouver would do this. It's just a few idiots." While police said it was mostly young thugs responsible for the mayhem overnight, an equally young crew turned up in jeans and rubber gloves, some with Canucks jerseys, all carrying plastic garbage bags. Dozens of remorseful and dismayed commuters crowded around the smashed and plywood covered display windows at the flagship Bay store, a historical building that was the first focus of rampaging looters Wednesday night. Someone had tacked a rough, hand-painted sign that read: "On behalf of my team and my city, I am sorry." People waited in line to sign it. Mayor Gregor Robertson said there has been an outpouring of support from citizens. "People coming downtown to try and help cleanup, trying to get our city back," he said as he toured the damage. "What we saw last night was atrocious behaviour." But others appeared to glorify in what they did. "Tonight the social peace was exploded," wrote D on the Vancouver Media Co-Op webpage in a posting triumphant about the mayhem. "Single acts of defiance become the more heroic as one window gave way to another." D went on to describe the trashing of downtown stores, mayhem that began with The Bay, where windows were smashed and high-end purses and cosmetics were looted by rioters who poured into the store. Across the street at London Drugs, the windows were also smashed. Wynn Powell, the president and CEO of London Drugs, estimated the damage there at $1 million alone. Powell, sounding angry, said in an interview the looting wasn't the random consequence of a mob mentality "The rioters attacked us for two hours before they got into the store. They were down attacking the stores of Vancouver to try to steal product." He said high-end cosmetics in particular were targeted. Hospital officials reported two stabbing victims had been admitted and an unidentified man is in critical condition with head injuries. It's believed that person may have fallen 12 metres after trying to jump from the concourse of Rogers Arena to the sidewalk of a nearby elevated roadway after Thursday night's game. Vancouver Coastal Health said most of the rioting victims were treated at St. Paul's Hospital in downtown Vancouver, while about 40, including the stabbing cases and the head injury patient, are being treated at Vancouver General Hospital. Vancouver Police Chief Jim Chu called a news conference for later Thursday morning to discuss rioting and looting that also left cars burned over a roughly ten block radius of the city's main shopping district. Social media urges public to submit riot pics to help police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest archey Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 i have a slightly different take on the rioters than most i see. i feel sorry for them. i mean i watch hockey and pretty much nothing else, but i can't see my self so upset about being bettered in a game that i would go out and break something or steal something or set fire to something. what type of friends do these people have after all? And, i have no compunction about hating boston and all its fans and will be more than happy to separate myself from anything bruins in the future. a wave of the hand or a simple please remove yourself i am sure will be as understood 50 years from now as it is today so why worry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 i have a slightly different take on the rioters than most i see. i feel sorry for them. But the thing most forget Arch is that the initial rioters have no interest in hockey at all.....just to start trouble in a big way,for attention. They are criminals,period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31Careyprice Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 rioting is cool boyz, steal some awe$ome stuff and girls like bad boyz common now, we alll should riot together <3. /Sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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