hatethosebruins Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Didn't know where to post this, but TOR acquired Matthew Lombardi and Cody Franson from NSH for Brett Lebda and LW Robert Stanley. WHAT!? Maybe we can acquire Blake Geoffrion for moen and a 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grecohab Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 What an awful trade for Nashville. They could at least take back Bozak and Gunnarsson...They got ripped badly. Making room for Weber is no excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31Careyprice Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 What an awful trade for Nashville. They could at least take back Bozak and Gunnarsson...They got ripped badly. Making room for Weber is no excuse. agreed or take a 1st rounder from the leafs, I heard those end up being good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 agreed or take a 1st rounder from the leafs, I heard those end up being good. But Burke is saving the first round picks to offer sheet Stamkos! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grecohab Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 agreed or take a 1st rounder from the leafs, I heard those end up being good. lol, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Bah Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 agreed or take a 1st rounder from the leafs, I heard those end up being good. But Burke is saving the first round picks to offer sheet Stamkos! :lol: Burke is saving that pick for his honorary 2011 Stanley Cup ring as payment from Chiarelli and an autographed picture of the Bruins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 What an awful trade for Nashville. They could at least take back Bozak and Gunnarsson...They got ripped badly. Making room for Weber is no excuse. Agreed. I rip on Burke whenever possible, but he absolutely fleeced Poile in this deal, who in his own right is a viewed as a pretty good GM. Granted it's hard to identify with the additional financial constraints Poile is forced to deal with compared to teams like ours and the Leafs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 CAPITALS WORKING AROUND SALARY CAP Having dealt goalie Semyon Varlamov to Colorado and replaced him with Tomas Vokoun for a bargain basement (one year, $1.5 million) contract, added Joel Ward (four years, $12 million), Roman Hamrlik (two years, $7 million) and Jeff Halpern (one year, $825,000), plus re-signed center Brooks Laich (six years, $27 million), the Capitals find themselves with a little more than $544,000 of available cap space for next season. As the Washington Post observed, that won't leave enough to re-sign restricted free agents Karl Alzner and Troy Brouwer, making the likelihood of a salary-shedding trade a strong possibility. They're certainly not about to deal away Alzner or Brouwer. Perhaps they could get some cap relief if oft-injured blueliner Tom Poti ($2.875 million per season) retires, or is either placed on LTIR or demoted. Following the Capitals elimination from the second round of the 2011 playoffs, there was speculation management would trade away either left winger Alexander Semin (one year, $6.7 million) or defenseman Mike Green (one year, $5.25 million). http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/41210-Rumor-Roundup-Flyers-overhaul-not-finished.html Now there's an idea... 1) Hamrlik signed with the Capitals; 2) Spacek has partnered with Hamrlik for the Habs; 3) The difference in cost between Spacek and Semin for the Habs would be approximately +2.9 million and give the Caps the savings required to sign their RFA's; 4) It could give the Habs a bargaining chip (Semin) to trade for a top-four d-man and then some Both contracts are for one season and the Habs would probably have to take on another d-man (Erskine maybe at 1.5 million for two years), but would be able to get that and more back if Semin is flipped for that top-four d-man... but who? Well the Flames apparently were going hard after Brad Richards so they may be interested in a player like Semin and willing to part with a player like Cory Sarich (3.6 million) perhaps So... Spacek for Semin and Erskine = cost of 4.3667 Semin for Sarich = 3.1 million savings Cost for parting ways with Spacek and acquiring Sarich and Erskine = 1.2667 million Semin 6.7 + Erskine 1.5 = 8.2 - Spacek 3.8333 = 4.3667 + Sarich 3.6 = 7.9667 - Semin 6.7 = 1.2667 million TAH-DAH!!! Why it could work for all parties... 1) Washington gains the Cap space to sign Brouwer and Alzner and get an experienced partner for Hamrlik and is only on the hook for one year. 2) The Flames get a high profile scoring winger in lieu of missing out on Brad Richards 3) The Habs rid themselves of the Spacek contract; obtain a solid #4 d-man with size that shoots right (Sarich) and another experienced tough d-man with size as a 7th/8th d-man (Erskine). Now... that would be a miracle no doubt, but it was fun working it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grecohab Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 CAPITALS WORKING AROUND SALARY CAP Having dealt goalie Semyon Varlamov to Colorado and replaced him with Tomas Vokoun for a bargain basement (one year, $1.5 million) contract, added Joel Ward (four years, $12 million), Roman Hamrlik (two years, $7 million) and Jeff Halpern (one year, $825,000), plus re-signed center Brooks Laich (six years, $27 million), the Capitals find themselves with a little more than $544,000 of available cap space for next season. As the Washington Post observed, that won't leave enough to re-sign restricted free agents Karl Alzner and Troy Brouwer, making the likelihood of a salary-shedding trade a strong possibility. They're certainly not about to deal away Alzner or Brouwer. Perhaps they could get some cap relief if oft-injured blueliner Tom Poti ($2.875 million per season) retires, or is either placed on LTIR or demoted. Following the Capitals elimination from the second round of the 2011 playoffs, there was speculation management would trade away either left winger Alexander Semin (one year, $6.7 million) or defenseman Mike Green (one year, $5.25 million). http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/41210-Rumor-Roundup-Flyers-overhaul-not-finished.html Now there's an idea... 1) Hamrlik signed with the Capitals; 2) Spacek has partnered with Hamrlik for the Habs; 3) The difference in cost between Spacek and Semin for the Habs would be approximately +2.9 million and give the Caps the savings required to sign their RFA's; 4) It could give the Habs a bargaining chip (Semin) to trade for a top-four d-man and then some Both contracts are for one season and the Habs would probably have to take on another d-man (Erskine maybe at 1.5 million for two years), but would be able to get that and more back if Semin is flipped for that top-four d-man... but who? Well the Flames apparently were going hard after Brad Richards so they may be interested in a player like Semin and willing to part with a player like Cory Sarich (3.6 million) perhaps So... Spacek for Semin and Erskine = cost of 4.3667 Semin for Sarich = 3.1 million savings Cost for parting ways with Spacek and acquiring Sarich and Erskine = 1.2667 million Semin 6.7 + Erskine 1.5 = 8.2 - Spacek 3.8333 = 4.3667 + Sarich 3.6 = 7.9667 - Semin 6.7 = 1.2667 million TAH-DAH!!! Why it could work for all parties... 1) Washington gains the Cap space to sign Brouwer and Alzner and get an experienced partner for Hamrlik and is only on the hook for one year. 2) The Flames get a high profile scoring winger in lieu of missing out on Brad Richards 3) The Habs rid themselves of the Spacek contract; obtain a solid #4 d-man with size that shoots right (Sarich) and another experienced tough d-man with size as a 7th/8th d-man (Erskine). Now... that would be a miracle no doubt, but it was fun working it out Very nice and creative thinking. I wish GMs around the League, PG included, could work to make these kind of deals possible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Id offer up Matt Carle 2nd round pick Olivier Fortier For Jared Cowen from Ottawa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concreteveins Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 I would try and swing a trade with Capitals as they have only 700,000 to sign Alzner and Brower. Furthermore, they are signing older players which are just making it harder to sign some of their younger core pieces. I would get Eric Fehr for a 2nd round pick. Fehr shoots right, is standing at 6'2 220 and is a god defensive third liner who has scored 20 in the past. His cap hit is 2.2 M and he is restricted next year. Then I would sign Steve Eminger to a two year 3 million dollar contract. He shoots right and is a big shut down d-man. After that re-sign Gorges and White and the team is set with some depth. Paciorietty - Gomez - Gionta Cole - Plekanec - Cammalleri Kostitsyn - Eller - Fehr Darche - Desharnais - Moen White Markov - Gorges Gill - Subban Spacek - Eminger Weber Price Budaj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 PLAYERS FILED FOR SALARY ARBITRATION Arbitration cases will be heard between July 20 and August 4. A player can still sign or agree to a new deal with his team up until the arbitrator's ruling. Jannik Hansen Blake Wheeler Andrew Cogliano Andrej Sekera Teddy Purcell Chris Campoli Sergei Kostitsyn Blake Comeau Ryan Callahan Brandon Dubinsky Brian Boyle Michael Sauer Dan Sexton Derek Joslin Viktor Stalberg Kevin Porter Ryan Wilson Alec Martinez Brad Richardson Mark Fraser Lauri Korpikoski http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=371039 http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/41241-Four-member-of-the-Rangers-among-22-players-filing-for-salary-arbitration.html As Habs GM, which of these players would you be targeting should they be released by their respective club and become UFA's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Sergei Kostitsyn As Habs GM, which of these players would you be targeting should they be released by their respective club and become UFA's? Oh how I enjoy being sarcastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grecohab Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 PLAYERS FILED FOR SALARY ARBITRATION Arbitration cases will be heard between July 20 and August 4. A player can still sign or agree to a new deal with his team up until the arbitrator's ruling. Jannik Hansen Blake Wheeler Andrew Cogliano Andrej Sekera Teddy Purcell Chris Campoli Sergei Kostitsyn Blake Comeau Ryan Callahan Brandon Dubinsky Brian Boyle Michael Sauer Dan Sexton Derek Joslin Viktor Stalberg Kevin Porter Ryan Wilson Alec Martinez Brad Richardson Mark Fraser Lauri Korpikoski http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=371039 http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/41241-Four-member-of-the-Rangers-among-22-players-filing-for-salary-arbitration.html As Habs GM, which of these players would you be targeting should they be released by their respective club and become UFA's? This could be a very intresting market. Kind of a second free agency. Of course it is unlikely for a team to release a player filing for arbitration, i would be thrilled to pick up (in order): Callahan Dubinski Purcell Boyle Hansen Richardson Sekera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V-hab Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 PLAYERS FILED FOR SALARY ARBITRATION Arbitration cases will be heard between July 20 and August 4. A player can still sign or agree to a new deal with his team up until the arbitrator's ruling. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=371039 http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/41241-Four-member-of-the-Rangers-among-22-players-filing-for-salary-arbitration.html As Habs GM, which of these players would you be targeting should they be released by their respective club and become UFA's? That is a interesting list, however most of the list is made up from teams that have more than enough cap room available, even NY $16 million to my surprise. Nashville has $28 million available. I thought Gorges was going to file for SALARY ARBITRATION, perhaps they are closer than most think. I really don’t see PG making any big money moves for this season, even though a quality 3rd. line forward and a top 4 RH Dee man would make a difference. I think there is a small window of opportunity with Phoenix and Nashville where AK, Spacek and White might be tradeable for draft picks in 2012 and some players, so they meet the cap floor. Eller is not going to be available until late November or early December. My guess is Engqvist might get the replacement job as he is the only RH center man that is almost ready. My personal preference would be to pickup some low cost UFA’s such as Jacques, Bernier and Dumont. With Dumont being bought out, perhaps $1.5 mil. would do it. Bernier at $1.5 would be a fair deal, Then J.F. Jacques anywhere between $650- $750 k. So the 3rd. and 4th. lines would look like this. I have no suggestions for a RH D-man. Rozsival in Phoenix might be a option ?. Bernier- I watched him here in Vancouver and he is a good checker and hitter that can score, not so great fighter. 3rd. J.P.Dumont (LW) – Desharnais © Bernier (RW) 4th. J.F.Jacques ( LW) Engqvist © Moen (RW) I don’t see it happening, but it would ease the tensions of not having enough Quebec born player on the roster with Pouliot and Picard gone. I Know Pouliot is from Ontario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 That is a interesting list, however most of the list is made up from teams that have more than enough cap room available, even NY $16 million to my surprise. Nashville has $28 million available. I thought Gorges was going to file for SALARY ARBITRATION, perhaps they are closer than most think. I really don’t see PG making any big money moves for this season, even though a quality 3rd. line forward and a top 4 RH Dee man would make a difference. I think there is a small window of opportunity with Phoenix and Nashville where AK, Spacek and White might be tradeable for draft picks in 2012 and some players, so they meet the cap floor. Eller is not going to be available until late November or early December. My guess is Engqvist might get the replacement job as he is the only RH center man that is almost ready. My personal preference would be to pickup some low cost UFA’s such as Jacques, Bernier and Dumont. With Dumont being bought out, perhaps $1.5 mil. would do it. Bernier at $1.5 would be a fair deal, Then J.F. Jacques anywhere between $650- $750 k. So the 3rd. and 4th. lines would look like this. I have no suggestions for a RH D-man. Rozsival in Phoenix might be a option ?. Bernier- I watched him here in Vancouver and he is a good checker and hitter that can score, not so great fighter. 3rd. J.P.Dumont (LW) – Desharnais © Bernier (RW) 4th. J.F.Jacques ( LW) Engqvist © Moen (RW) I don’t see it happening, but it would ease the tensions of not having enough Quebec born player on the roster with Pouliot and Picard gone. I Know Pouliot is from Ontario. Gorges did file... I didn't include him because they are already talking with him. The list is not a sure thing in terms of being released and becoming UFA's, but there is a possibility that some may... even if the respective team does have sufficient cap dollars. It has happened before, just as it has happened that the majority never reach the arbotration hearing. It is a hypothetical exercise to be sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grecohab Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Washington signed Brouwer today putting themselves way above the cap. This means they must move salary back until the end of the summer. If i was PG i would be all over this. What do i need: Another big stay at home defensemen and another big grity forward who can park his body in front of the net. Who is expendable to me: Spacek and his huge contract for a 6-7 defensmen. What do i do: Trade Spacek and 2nd in 2012 (3,83M) for Fehr, Erskine and Schultz (6,45M) This trade goes down as Spacek for Erskine and Schultz and 2nd in 2012 for Fehr. I think the Caps would do this because they could then sign RFA Alzner, without loosing Semin as rumored, plus they reunite Hamrlik and Spacek. For us we can afford 2,7M plus in cap space and adress the needs i discribed above. Plus we still have money to sign Gorges and White. Our potencial line up: Price - Budaj Cole - Plekanec - Cammalleri Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta Kostitsyn - Eller - Fehr Moen - Desharnais - White (ex. Darche) Markov - Emelin Subban - Schultz Gill - Gorges (ex. Weber, Erskine) Erskine would be are present to the champions (Mr.Lucic beware) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfoundlandHab Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 ^We'd be lucky to get just Schultz for Spacek and a 2nd imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I've got a general question that doesn't really relate to being Montreal's GM in particular, but rather to being a GM in general. Mods, if this should be somewhere else, feel free to move 'er. Anyway, I'm just wondering: does an RFA have to agree to an offer sheet? For example, if someone gave a player a big offer sheet could he choose not to sign it in order to benefit the team that he's currently with? Or a more likely scenario: say someone gives Stamkos an offer sheet of $7M a year for the next ten years. Chances are he could get that or a better contract from Tampa, and I'll go ahead and assume that he likes playing there. So if a team, maybe from a less desirable market, offered him that, does he have a choice in the matter? I'm just curious because you never really hear of any players thinking about refusing these offer sheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying_Lion Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I've got a general question that doesn't really relate to being Montreal's GM in particular, but rather to being a GM in general. Mods, if this should be somewhere else, feel free to move 'er. Anyway, I'm just wondering: does an RFA have to agree to an offer sheet? For example, if someone gave a player a big offer sheet could he choose not to sign it in order to benefit the team that he's currently with? Or a more likely scenario: say someone gives Stamkos an offer sheet of $7M a year for the next ten years. Chances are he could get that or a better contract from Tampa, and I'll go ahead and assume that he likes playing there. So if a team, maybe from a less desirable market, offered him that, does he have a choice in the matter? I'm just curious because you never really hear of any players thinking about refusing these offer sheets. I could be way wrong on this. I always assumed that the difference between an RFA and a UFA was that an RFA was bound to remain with his club if they matched an offer from another team. I don't think, though, that the RFA is obliged to go to a team with a bigger offer than his current team if he chooses not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V-hab Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Washington signed Brouwer today putting themselves way above the cap. This means they must move salary back until the end of the summer. If i was PG i would be all over this. What do i need: Another big stay at home defensemen and another big grity forward who can park his body in front of the net. Who is expendable to me: Spacek and his huge contract for a 6-7 defensmen. What do i do: Trade Spacek and 2nd in 2012 (3,83M) for Fehr, Erskine and Schultz (6,45M) This trade goes down as Spacek for Erskine and Schultz and 2nd in 2012 for Fehr. I think the Caps would do this because they could then sign RFA Alzner, without loosing Semin as rumored, plus they reunite Hamrlik and Spacek. For us we can afford 2,7M plus in cap space and adress the needs i discribed above. Plus we still have money to sign Gorges and White. Our potencial line up: Price - Budaj Cole - Plekanec - Cammalleri Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta Kostitsyn - Eller - Fehr Moen - Desharnais - White (ex. Darche) Markov - Emelin Subban - Schultz Gill - Gorges (ex. Weber, Erskine) Erskine would be are present to the champions (Mr.Lucic beware) When you follow the cap problem premise for Washington, then this suggestion is far more realistic than not. One way or another, Washington has to dump some big cap numbers before the season starts. At the very least a target for PG to shoot for that improves at, top 6 winger and top 4 D-man and get rid of Spacek. Looks good for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grecohab Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 When you follow the cap problem premise for Washington, then this suggestion is far more realistic than not. One way or another, Washington has to dump some big cap numbers before the season starts. At the very least a target for PG to shoot for that improves at, top 6 winger and top 4 D-man and get rid of Spacek. Looks good for me. Thank you...This is exactly the whole idea. Take advantage of the aqward situation WAS has put themselves in. It's a bad move to rush and sign your RFA climbing above the cap, without before unload big contracts negotiating in your own terms. It's not like they had a time deadline or something like that. Now i can see a 60-70% chance of WAS accepting the deal i proposed. Not bad adds at all. Worth trying for. The price is not that far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfoundlandHab Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Pretty much every team in the league will be looking to take advantage of WAS cap situation. I'm sure atleast one of the other 28 teams will offer them more than a bottom pairing d man and a late second round pick for a top 4 guy, a good grinder and a decent depth guy. I just don't see it happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V-hab Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Pretty much every team in the league will be looking to take advantage of WAS cap situation. I'm sure atleast one of the other 28 teams will offer them more than a bottom pairing d man and a late second round pick for a top 4 guy, a good grinder and a decent depth guy. I just don't see it happening I think you may looking at this suggestion with blinders for whatever reason. Try and look at the plan as a financial remedy from Washington’s needs. As of today they are $1.8 million over the cap with 23 players signed. From your 28 teams remove 7 as they don’t have the cap space to take on $5-6 million and still sign their remaining players for a 23 man roster. Montreal is one of 20 teams that has the means to swing a realistic deal and still stay in a responsible financial position. The member clearly states only a 60% to 70% chance of it happening. Also one has to take into consideration how many other teams in the 20 are in need of what Washington has to offer. Try taking a second look at the whole picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grecohab Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Pretty much every team in the league will be looking to take advantage of WAS cap situation. I'm sure atleast one of the other 28 teams will offer them more than a bottom pairing d man and a late second round pick for a top 4 guy, a good grinder and a decent depth guy. I just don't see it happening The only players WSH is going to dump is in order Poti, Erskine, Fehr. They may consider Schultz too because by signing Alzner they are set in the top 4 plus 1(Green, Wideman, Carlson, Hamrlik). One of Poti, Erskine and Schultz will fill the final spot and one may stay for insurance policy. So a defensemen is going to walk. Is it enough? No. So a forward walks too. Fehr. There is your package Fehr and Poti/Erskine/Schulz. What would you offer for that? Remember no salary comes back. So now how many teams willing to trade prospects/picks for this package? Analyzing my proposal you can see it is based on a theory of "i'll take all of your defense dumping salary (Poti/Schultz and Erskine), if you take same back (Spacek)" and "i'll even take some extra salary (Fehr),for a 2nd". I still consider this fair value and the only thing i would maybe add is a d prospect (Carle). By the way i have already seen worse trades this year. TOR - NAS. I still can't believe the return TOR got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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