31Careyprice Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Well the old system is good, but if they can improve it then i'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I think part of the travel schedule complaints had to do with the time zone changes more than the physical distance. Somewhere like Dallas has got some distance to go no matter who they play, so might as well keep it in the time zone. At least that's one part of how I explain why we wound up with the floridas, or why the three current western canadian teams are sitting pretty with the 3 Cali teams. Also, in regards to the time zones. The Western conference with the 3 Canadian and 3 Cali teams still has 2 times zones. The mid-west also has 2 time zones. They didn't get ride of the time zone issue, there was no way they'd be getting rid of that. But, the distances that teams have to travel is still crazy lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmarcello Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I wonder if Carolina opposed it...? Instead of scraping for a top 8 finish every year, they now have to manage a top 4 against the likes of Pittsburgh, Philly, Washington, NYR, NYI, and New Jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I wonder if Carolina opposed it...? Instead of scraping for a top 8 finish every year, they now have to manage a top 4 against the likes of Pittsburgh, Philly, Washington, NYR, NYI, and New Jersey. I don't think the NYI would be too excited by it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmarcello Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I don't think the NYI would be too excited by it either. Probably not, but at least they have a young team with some star potential. In a few years when their best players are hitting their prime they could have something to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmarcello Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 One more thought about the Florida teams joining Montreal's conference. It's been brought up (and it's very true), that for us Nor'easter fans, Florida is a very popular and accessible travel destination. It works out well in that respect for the fans. When it gets cold in the Maritimes or in Quebec/Ontario, we can now fly down to sunny Tampa or Miami to see our Habs play in nice weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIASUN Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 HORRIBLE. 4 Seperate conferences!?!?!? Who's genius idea was that? Keep divisions. The re-alignment looks bush league. It's a bad idea, do any of those guys know anything about geography? I really hope the players show some guts and squash this terrible format. 4 teams from each conference? Why not at least leave 2 seperate conferences as usual and have the Top 8 advance. There will be some 95 point teams finishing behind 90 point teams, it's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I wouldn't be surprised if they were Detroit, Minnesota, Dallas and Winnipeg. Lol. I'd say Carolina. How can they compete with short bus/taxi rides and being home every night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I'd say Carolina. How can they compete with short bus/taxi rides and being home every night? Lol, probably, it's just a bad idea. They could have aligned the teams better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick-Habs4Life Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Instead of the Florida teams it was suppose to be the Flyers and Penguins in the Habs conference but they didn't want to lose their rivalries with the New York teams so that was vetoed. Imagine having to fight for a top 4 spot with the Flyers, Pens, Bruins, Sabres and the Leafs who are getting better. Its a bit easier with the Florida teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 This shake-up also allows the NHL to slide Quebec City into our conference if/when they leave Phx without affecting anything else. It also allows for two more expansion teams, which now seems inevitable (unless they contract by 2, which the NHLPA would never allow) to make everything equal (4 x 8 teams). If Phx moves East, this would give them one spot out West (Las Vegas? Seattle?) and one more out East in the New England area (Hartford?). It'll come eventually, and water down a product that doesn't need it even further. Personally, I'm rather see them contract two teams and get back to 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine1One Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 This shake-up also allows the NHL to slide Quebec City into our conference if/when they leave Phx without affecting anything else. It also allows for two more expansion teams, which now seems inevitable (unless they contract by 2, which the NHLPA would never allow) to make everything equal (4 x 8 teams). If Phx moves East, this would give them one spot out West (Las Vegas? Seattle?) and one more out East in the New England area (Hartford?). It'll come eventually, and water down a product that doesn't need it even further. Personally, I'm rather see them contract two teams and get back to 28. I like the 30 teams. I doubt The NHLPA will agree to contraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmarcello Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 What the NHL will lose in four-conference realignment: http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/What-the-NHL-will-lose-in-four-conference-realig?urn=nhl-wp19021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest archey Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 in baseball which i had some knowledge of it was bad news when milwaukee was in the american league after being in the national so long because it screwed up the port city balance. so much better when the ports were realigned as milwaukee came back into the national league. now we're in with port cities sure, but tampa and miami? what?? 70 year old tourists instead of new yorkers? so we put lounge chairs on the bench? just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine1One Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 i wonder how the entry draft order is going to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiLla Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Six games per season against Florida and Tampa? Yawn. I'd rather see us face the Rangers, Flyers, Penguins, and Capitals more often. No more real 1st round upsets either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine1One Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Six games per season against Florida and Tampa? Yawn. I'd rather see us face the Rangers, Flyers, Penguins, and Capitals more often. No more real 1st round upsets either ya, but I'm going to miss the caps , rangers, and pens games prolly the most :/and of course there are going to be more florida games the year i go to college in baseball which i had some knowledge of it was bad news when milwaukee was in the american league after being in the national so long because it screwed up the port city balance. so much better when the ports were realigned as milwaukee came back into the national league. now we're in with port cities sure, but tampa and miami? what?? 70 year old tourists instead of new yorkers? so we put lounge chairs on the bench? just a thought. Where do you think those tourists come from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmarcello Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Six games per season against Florida and Tampa? Yawn. I'd rather see us face the Rangers, Flyers, Penguins, and Capitals more often. What are you talking about? Martin vs Boucher six times a year! That'll sell tickets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn1990 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I heard(ie read a rumor) something about this change opening up talks for re-expansion to the 2 7-team divisions to make it a 32 team league and 8 teams in each division. /shrug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I heard(ie read a rumor) something about this change opening up talks for re-expansion to the 2 7-team divisions to make it a 32 team league and 8 teams in each division. /shrug The last thing this league needs is more teams. We have enough teams already losing money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I heard(ie read a rumor) something about this change opening up talks for re-expansion to the 2 7-team divisions to make it a 32 team league and 8 teams in each division. /shrug Not a chance. The way I see it, Phoenix moves to Kansas or Hartford and Either our conference gets 8 or the Atlantic one gets 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince1975 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 It is strange to have 16 teams in the West and 14 teams in the East. When clearly there are more teams in the eastern half of North America. IMHO the NHL should have fewer teams. If teams are losing money then those teams hurt the salary for players and the overall revenue for the NHL. My guess is that both Florida teams lose money, Phoenix loses money for sure, Dallas loses money for sure, the Islanders lose money, and I guess that at least one of the California based teams loses money which is really pathetic considering the fact that California has a bigger population then all of Canada. I would prefer 28 teams in the NHL. Even though this would mean fewer NHLPA players I think the NHLPA would prefer the higher revenue and higher salary cap for the remaining 28 teams. I would not automatically assume that the NHLPA would be against fewer teams. I believe this is a wrong assumption. I would like the Phoenix team to be moved like an expansion team since the NHL does own the team it should be able to sell the franchise to someone willing to put the team in southern Ontario. From a financial point of view it would be very easy to have a profitable team in southern Ontario be it Hamilton, Kitchener, or Markham. I am not sure that it is easy to have a profitable team in Quebec City especially considering the $300+ million for the new arena likely coming from tax payers. I believe the two Florida teams could dramatically increase ticket and TV revenue with the new alignment. I was looking at going to TB this December for hockey and sun. So I believe that lots of hockey fans from Ontario and Quebec would love to combine hockey and sun. After two or three years of having the Florida teams in the same division as Toronto, Boston, and Montreal those teams should become profitable. If they are not profitable after two or three seasons then call them done and close at least one of them down. The Islanders need a new arena but I don't think it is going to happen. Maybe the Islanders will be moving to a new city. Very sad that a team that won 4 Cups could be moving. Maybe the truth is that the owner should be paying for the new arena instead of tax payers. I get the impression from the article that after the first two rounds the teams are then ranked again to determine the next round of matches. I think this is a huge mistake as this will result in eastern teams playing against west coast teams. Huge travel. Terrible TV revenue with 10pm starts. Of course I am assuming 10pm is a terrible start time. Maybe it would be great for bars and restaurants. I like that Montreal is playing in the same division as Boston. I am happy that in theory it is easy to be top 4 versus top 8 to make the playoffs. I think that Toronto could have been moved to the same division as Detroit which would allow the Jackets or Nashville to move to the East which likely means more revenue for those teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 They'll never go for it, but the best thing would be to contract to 28 teams. Fold up Phoenix and whichever other team is struggling the most. Columbus maybe? Realistically though, the only thing that might happen by next year is a Phoenix relocation, but even then I think we'll have a wait a bit. They do need some way to even up things in terms of who makes the playoffs though, it just doesn't seem fair to have an extra team to beat in each "western" conference. I think having top 3 from each conference, or maybe even just top 2 get in, and then have league wide wilcard spots for the remaining positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Here's an interesting take on the "alignment", from Habs World. That it's more about $$$ for the Forida teams than re-alignment. http://www.sbnation.com/users/Kevin%20van%20Steendelaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 On the fan590 they were saying today that Montreal, Pittsburgh, Florida and Tampa may have been the four teams to object. On the Florida teams, it's more about travel and clearing customs so much now that they're in a conference with Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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