jennifer_rocket Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Term is fine. Money is fine. I wouldn't be surprised when he's nit back next year, though. Which is fine. I look forward to Gill, Gorges, and Spacek all going UFA next summer. More flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Term is fine. Money is fine. I wouldn't be surprised when he's nit back next year, though. Which is fine. I look forward to Gill, Gorges, and Spacek all going UFA next summer. More flexibility. This deal was done to avoid arbitration IMO... more than I would have paid (and perhaps more than the Habs really wanted to pay for one year), but I can live with it (do we have a choice ) A nice gesture from both sides all things considered... I guess. It buys time for both sides and neither is really hurt by the outcome. And that, IMO, means a new contract and term could still be worked out if both sides want it... an extension can still be worked out before Josh becomes UFA next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsRuleForever Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Gorges signs, 1 year 2.5 million. Per Dreger http://twitter.com/#!/DarrenDreger/status/94587370720079872 A little higher than I expected, a little only. One year deal I am happy with. PG is doing a great job. Like other posters have said you want more money here or elsewhere then prove you're worth it this season. Especially coming off of knee surgery. Nice avatar roy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGESTHABSFAN123 Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Good deal, welcome back Josh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmarcello Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Personally I'm very glad to see Gorges signed, and $2.5 mil is a fair price. I think it would have been disastrous not to re-sign him. The guy continues to be consistently underrated. Sure he doesn't put up big points, but you can put him on the ice in almost any situation, and the fact that he's reliable and hardly ever a liability is very important IMO. How many Habs D-men can you say that about in the last few years? Players like Spacek, Hammer, Gill, Mara, Picard, Weber, OB, MAB, Komisarek, Wisniewski... I can't say how often I've cringed at times as a result of their defensive play in recent years. As for Josh, he's stellar on the PK, he has the ability to play against top lines if needed, he eats up a fair number of minutes each night, he's young, he's durable, he can play left or right side, he makes Hal Gill a better player, and he's a good leader and a character guy. If the Habs didn't re-sign him, they are left with a gaping hole. I'm somewhat glad that PG has some flexibility next year with Josh's 1-year contract, but I don't think they'll find anybody to replace what he brings to the team. In that respect I'm a little disappointed he didn't get a couple more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerplay2009 Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Personally I'm very glad to see Gorges signed, and $2.5 mil is a fair price. I think it would have been disastrous not to re-sign him. The guy continues to be consistently underrated. Sure he doesn't put up big points, but you can put him on the ice in almost any situation, and the fact that he's reliable and hardly ever a liability is very important IMO. How many Habs D-men can you say that about in the last few years? Players like Spacek, Hammer, Gill, Mara, Picard, Weber, OB, MAB, Komisarek, Wisniewski... I can't say how often I've cringed at times as a result of their defensive play in recent years. As for Josh, he's stellar on the PK, he has the ability to play against top lines if needed, he eats up a fair number of minutes each night, he's young, he's durable, he can play left or right side, he makes Hal Gill a better player, and he's a good leader and a character guy. If the Habs didn't re-sign him, they are left with a gaping hole. I'm somewhat glad that PG has some flexibility next year with Josh's 1-year contract, but I don't think they'll find anybody to replace what he brings to the team. In that respect I'm a little disappointed he didn't get a couple more years. +1. Just wish it was for a couple more years-although I imagine that was what the two sides were debating. Years instead of price. The fair price was obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIENS27 Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Now we to find out how his knee holds up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine1One Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 If he plays the same as he did last season and the year before after this surgery, do you resign him or let him go next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicalhab Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Sure he doesn't put up big points, but you can put him on the ice in almost any situation, and the fact that he's reliable and hardly ever a liability is very important IMO. How many Habs D-men can you say that about in the last few years? Players like Spacek, Hammer, Gill, Mara, Picard, Weber, OB, MAB, Komisarek, Wisniewski... I can't say how often I've cringed at times as a result of their defensive play in recent years. Is that so? Can he really be used on the power-play? So far up to this point in his playing career he's been decent on the Penalty Killing unit but that alone, to me, doesn't grant 2.5 million. Thankfully, PG made a good choice, or rather "both sides" agreed to only a one year deal. If he improves his two way game this year, stays healthy, and continues to be a steady (I use the term steady because as other users have stated he is not a shutdown D-man) defender, he might get re-signed, but I think next year may be the overhaul on defense season with Josh falling out of that scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmarcello Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Is that so? Can he really be used on the power-play? So far up to this point in his playing career he's been decent on the Penalty Killing unit but that alone, to me, doesn't grant 2.5 million. First off, I did say he can put on the ice in "almost" every situation. He's obviously not that great on the PP, but I surely don't feel uncomfortable with him on the ice. I can't say the same for Spacek and even Hamrlik (despite his good PP production)... I felt their speed was becoming a liability on the PP against aggressive PK forwards. By logging big PK and ES minutes though, he helps out the PP indirectly. It lets players like Subban and Markov take a breather so they can better perform at even strength and on the PP. Josh doesn't have to be a PP quarterback in order to be a good contributor to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxman Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 By logging big PK and ES minutes though, he helps out the PP indirectly. It lets players like Subban and Markov take a breather so they can better perform at even strength and on the PP. Josh doesn't have to be a PP quarterback in order to be a good contributor to the team. I think that's key, and also the fact Gorges has averaged only 36 PIM the last 4 seasons. We need to take less penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Another one year deal. It's right around what I predicted, I believe my first prediction was between 2.5-3 mil. These one year deals has me wondering what PG has up his sleeve. Is he doing this cos of the new CBA or is he wanting to do a complete over-haul next year. Think about it, apart from PK and Markov, all the other dmen we have are either entering their final year or have signed for a year. Very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmarcello Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Interesting blogger analysis on Gorges' value: http://habsloyalist.blogspot.com/2011/07/value-of-gorges.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheresthepuck Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Glad it's only for a year. And the money is what I expected - not much more. Wouldn't mind seeing him replaced with somebody who can be more punishing. Gorges wins his puck battles but sometimes it takes a while. He learned to adapt his abilities to the JM system without much obligation to offense. With these one year contracts to Gill and Gorges, next year will be another interesting one for the D. Wouldn't mind if Gauthier has his eye on a player like Tim Gleason to play on Markov's right next year. If Emelin progresses nicely put him with Subban. Let Diaz and Weber play 5th and 6th and sign another more physical, thirtiesh type player. Gorges could make decent trade bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 I usually respect Basu's work but I think he's dead wrong in his latest crusade on twitter and in article to justify why it was a mistake not to lock Gorges up. With the uncertainty of the new CBA after this season along with Carey and Subban needing extensions (not to mention Eller, particularly if he breaks out), I'm only interested in extending core players to long term deals ATM. We had the option of the 1-year with Gorges coming off knee surgery and we took advantage of it. I get the whole "heart, leadership ect." argument and it's great but we can't over prioritize it. We took the same approach with Kostitsyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmarcello Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I usually respect Basu's work but I think he's dead wrong in his latest crusade on twitter and in article to justify why it was a mistake not to lock Gorges up. With the uncertainty of the new CBA after this season along with Carey and Subban needing extensions (not to mention Eller, particularly if he breaks out), I'm only interested in extending core players to long term deals ATM. We had the option of the 1-year with Gorges coming off knee surgery and we took advantage of it. I get the whole "heart, leadership ect." argument and it's great but we can't over prioritize it. We took the same approach with Kostitsyn. Personally I do think it could have been a mistake to not sign Gorges to 2 or 3 years. If they don't re-sign him next year, who do the Habs have left on D? Gill is gone, Spacek is gone (a savings of about $6 mil), and we're left with pretty much just Markov and Subban. Weber has had a lot of ups and downs so far, and I'm not convinced that he will work out long term. Even if he does, he does not bring much defensive prowess to the team. Yemelin is a complete question mark, and after those 4, the question marks get even bigger. I don't think $2.5 mil for 2-3 years is too much to pay for a reliable guy who can comfortably play 2nd pairing and brings a lot of intangibles to the team. Sure they could re-sign him anyways at the end of this year, but the price tag may go up (especially with salaries going up in general with higher salary caps). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AarifDeenReport Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 he'll regroup imo and play a great contract yr and receive a nice raise next yr.. whether from the habs or another team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheresthepuck Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Personally I do think it could have been a mistake to not sign Gorges to 2 or 3 years. If they don't re-sign him next year, who do the Habs have left on D? Gill is gone, Spacek is gone (a savings of about $6 mil), and we're left with pretty much just Markov and Subban. Weber has had a lot of ups and downs so far, and I'm not convinced that he will work out long term. Even if he does, he does not bring much defensive prowess to the team. Yemelin is a complete question mark, and after those 4, the question marks get even bigger. I don't think $2.5 mil for 2-3 years is too much to pay for a reliable guy who can comfortably play 2nd pairing and brings a lot of intangibles to the team. Sure they could re-sign him anyways at the end of this year, but the price tag may go up (especially with salaries going up in general with higher salary caps). There are plenty of 5th / 6th / 7th d-men available. Who will be left if Gorges leaves? Subban and Markov will stay. That's a pretty good start. Spacek more than likely will be gone. Gill will probably re-sign if has the opportunity. I hope not but I wouldn't be surprised. If Emelin and Diaz both progress I think it's looking pretty good. Weber may surprise again this year. And then there are trades and UFA signings. I'm not worried if Gorges would walk because I wouldn't want the Habs to play close to 4 mil for a d-man who tries to be physical but can't really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptWelly Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Personally I do think it could have been a mistake to not sign Gorges to 2 or 3 years. If they don't re-sign him next year, who do the Habs have left on D? Gill is gone, Spacek is gone (a savings of about $6 mil), and we're left with pretty much just Markov and Subban. Weber has had a lot of ups and downs so far, and I'm not convinced that he will work out long term. Even if he does, he does not bring much defensive prowess to the team. Yemelin is a complete question mark, and after those 4, the question marks get even bigger. I don't think $2.5 mil for 2-3 years is too much to pay for a reliable guy who can comfortably play 2nd pairing and brings a lot of intangibles to the team. Sure they could re-sign him anyways at the end of this year, but the price tag may go up (especially with salaries going up in general with higher salary caps). I agree with this and I believe Georges is undervalued by a lot of people because he isn't "big & nasty". He is a very good defensive d-man. He also is 26 in his prime , and I believe is only going to get better. I would much rather have him than someone big like O.B. was or what Komesarik turned out to be even though their "big". I believe he "is" part of the core group going forward. Gill will be gone and Georges is in his prime and will be huge defensivly going forward. We already know how good he is defensivly now and are only hoping that Yemelim or Diaz will be as good. He can log big minutes against top lines which opens up the offensive game for guys like Subban and Markov. Like Stewart does for Detroit has helped make it easier for Lidstrom because he doesn't have to always play against the top players. I am glad he is signed and I hope before the season ends they lock him up long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmarcello Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 There are plenty of 5th / 6th / 7th d-men available. Who will be left if Gorges leaves? Subban and Markov will stay. That's a pretty good start. Spacek more than likely will be gone. Gill will probably re-sign if has the opportunity. I hope not but I wouldn't be surprised. If Emelin and Diaz both progress I think it's looking pretty good. Weber may surprise again this year. And then there are trades and UFA signings. But Josh has stepped in and played top 2 minutes in the past. I don't trust him there full time, but I feel very comfortable seeing him on a second pairing. I would much, much rather see him stay than Spacek or Gill. Weber hasn't really met most people's expectations, and I don't trust him playing 2nd pairing for 20 minutes a game like Josh. I also don't trust his even strength or PK defensive capabilities. Yemelin and Diaz are complete question marks. I'm not worried if Gorges would walk because I wouldn't want the Habs to play close to 4 mil for a d-man who tries to be physical but can't really. I wouldn't want to pay Gorges close to $4 mil next year either, so that's why I said it was possibly a mistake not to sign him for a couple more years at $2.5 mil. At that price he's definitely worth it, especially considering how thin the Habs are on D. And that's before even considering his intangible qualities. Also, defensemen don't necessarily need to be physical to be effective. Defense is so much about proper positioning and anticipation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Agreed, and in the case of Gorges, I'm happy with the one-year deal. We need flex on our backend next summer, when PK and Carey hit RFA status. At that time, Spacek and Gill will be UFA, and we'll have had a year to see where Yemelin and Weber are in their development. Agreed. It also gives us the chance to truly test this "he's a top 4 defensman who has been hampered by a torn ACL for the past 10 years" theory. If thats true, then he can show us & we can give him a proper contract next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmarcello Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Agreed. It also gives us the chance to truly test this "he's a top 4 defensman who has been hampered by a torn ACL for the past 10 years" theory. If thats true, then he can show us & we can give him a proper contract next year. Hasn't he already shown he can play top 4 minutes and opposition? When injuries have hurt us in the past, he has even stepped up and played top pairing at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Hasn't he already shown he can play top 4 minutes and opposition? When injuries have hurt us in the past, he has even stepped up and played top pairing at times. He's shown that he can be a top 4 fill in, yes. But I think most will agree that based on his time up until now, he is better served as a 3rd pairing defensman. Now, one of the arguments has been that he has been hampered by the torn ACL & now that its healed, he will prove he can play top 4 minutes day in & day out. It would be awesome if that was the case, but until that has been proven, I will still consider him a poor-man's top 4 dman & one who is likely better served as a #5 with occasional top 4 relief duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Hasn't he already shown he can play top 4 minutes and opposition? When injuries have hurt us in the past, he has even stepped up and played top pairing at times. He's done it, yes and at times been good but has also shown that he does wear down over the course of a season in that role. Probably a combination of the style he has to play and his size which likely leaves him as a fringe 4 or excellent 5 IMO, and that's great, it's just not worth over investing in. I wouldn't want to pay Gorges close to $4 mil next year either, so that's why I said it was possibly a mistake not to sign him for a couple more years at $2.5 mil. At that price he's definitely worth it, especially considering how thin the Habs are on D. And that's before even considering his intangible qualities. Also, defensemen don't necessarily need to be physical to be effective. Defense is so much about proper positioning and anticipation. Well getting him for more years at 2.5 million simply wasn't an option. It costs significantly more money to buy up player's UFA years, which is what we'd be buying up if we went after next year with Josh. Rumor has it the team explored a longer term deal but didn't like what it would cost and that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Hasn't he already shown he can play top 4 minutes and opposition? When injuries have hurt us in the past, he has even stepped up and played top pairing at times. Like Roy and Jed said, yes he can play top line minutes, but in a clutch (in case of injury). We saw pretty quick that top line minutes wasn't his strong suit. He's a great player to fill in for a few games or shifts, I wouldn't want to see him there for any significant amount of time. I'm happy with the 2.5 mil signing. Pretty much what I thought he was worth, so I'm happy with it. This one year deal may turn out to be a blessing. Josh did go through a pretty big operation, there's no guarantee he'll come back to the Josh we know. He wasn't a fast skater to begin with, we already have a few old and slow legs on our blueline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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