markmws Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 The way things are going, it's looking like we may end up in a lottery situation. Now, 4 teams (Columbus, Anaheim, Carolina, and the Islanders) are going to easily finish with a worse record. They're just aweful. But lets be honest (as much as we all don't like it) there's a really good chance we may be between the fifth worst to the 14th worst. Right now we're in the 9 hole. Realistically, we're probably the 7th worst team. That's the 7th pick. If we actually won the lottery, we could pick as high as 4th. I know we have to choose the best player available, but I want a forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 I know we have to choose the best player available, but I want a forward Wouldn't it be a good idea to pick the best big forward available? We've been picking the "best player available" for years, and where has it got us? I would rather pick what we will need in 2-3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31Careyprice Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Please draft a forward with our first pick this year, last 2 years it was defensemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detritus Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 a) I hope we stick it out with this team, with no knee jerk moves. ie: if we're destined to be out of the playoffs, sell-off some players and get us a higher pick. I'm firmly entrenched in the BPA approach. Some of the defensemen this draft are being looked upon as franchise corner stones. I realize we need an elite forward. That being said, if our picking position allows an elite defensemen. We take it. Murray has been compared to a Neidermeyer. If it comes down to a Neidermeyer clone vs. a 2nd line center, who do you choose? I take the D-man everytime. While everyone points out that nearly all of our recent picks have been Dmen. Great, now we're dealing from a position of strength. If Murray works out we could either have a top-4 of: Murray-Subban Beulieu-Tinordi I would rather try to sign a top-tier forward (ie: Semin)than acquire a truly elite Dman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markmws Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 I like BPA too, but we choose two d-men two years in a row in that BPA approach. We now have a lot of really good defensive prospects. I like them all, but we've really been missing a top end forward. I'm not talking about Semin or Kovalev type of player, but like an elite, top flight player. We may have that opportunity to get one this year since we're a dreadful hockey team that, in all reality, will get a high lottery pick in this years draft. We sit as the 7th worst team in the league right now. In reality, we've played like 3 more games then the number 6 and 5 teams, so we're basically sitting at the 5 hole. A lot can happen, I know. We could shoot up the standings and into a playoff spot for all I know. But if the draft started today, we'd have the 5th pick (and that's not even counting the lottery). Yakapuv is going number one. After that the trio of Forsberg, Giriegenko and Galenchuk (I know I'm off on their spelling!) are projected to be top tier first line players. Not second line centers but first line, franchise forwards. We need that and we haven't had that since the 70's. Defense is good, But I always liked balanced teams, like Chicago, Detroit, or Philly for instance. They have great, top tier forwards, some great defensemen and good to very good goaltending. We have great goaltending, defense that is projected to be great, but an average at best offense. Without a top tier forward or two we're never going to win a cup. We just won't. It's depressing, but we'll never beat Philly, Boston, Pitt, Washington, New York or heck, even New Jersey. All those teams are more bananced then we'll ever be. We just got SMOKED by the Jets! They're going to be even better in a few years. I'm sick of playing a year with Scott Gomez, Mike Cammelleri, Brian Gionta, Lars Eller and Tomas Pleckanec as our top guns. That's pathetic. Pleckanec MAYBE battles for the second line center role in Philly with Danny Briere. Gomez doesn't even make the team, which is laughable, Eller would be in the minors and Holmgrem would have found a way to turn <edit> Cammy into a trade. I WANT GALENCHUK!!!! I WANT MIKEL GIRENGENKO!!! I just want someone who can make things happen offensively, not Travis Moen on the first line. Is that too much to ask? I don't want to trade for Semin because I know what's going to happen: a very good GM (McPhee) is going to <edit> PG and get like Beaulieu, a first, and like Leblanc for Semin. And Semin, who by the way, every Caps fan would volenteer to drive to the airport for his flight out of town, would underproduce even more so then he does in DC with great player around him. I'm thinking a stat line of like 5 goals after the trade dead line and then he signs in Russia because, lets face it, we have too much money tied up to GREAT offensive players like Gomez, Giona, and Cammy and still need to sign Subban and Price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MkGee Posted January 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 i would take mikhail gigrenko or whatever his name is... first he plays for the remparts and Roy could very well be our head coach so that would be good, second he is a big russian center that has the ability to be a top five center in the league f things go right. I see that being the best pick we could get, also i like stephan matteau jr, try and draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 With the way the season is going for the Habs I guess it would be prudent for me to start following this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grecohab Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 If we manage to make the top-5 draft lottery and after the draw we pick from 1-3 then things are quite set and we pick one of Yakupov,Grigorenko,Forsberg, though this seems quite unlikely. What will happen in my opinion is we draft in the 4-8 range. After the first three picks there are some quality defensemen available in Murray, Trouba, Dumba, Ceci. I would personally pass all those to go and pick from the 8-10 range one of Grigersons,Galtsenyuk. They have size, skill and are projected to be top line forwards that we must aim for. They ideal senario would be drafting No4 with Murray in our hands, and then trade down to No8 with a team desperetly needing a defensemen, for a high prospect like: Montreal 1st for Buffalo 1st+Pysyk Montreal 1st for Edmonton 1st+M.P.Svensson Montreal 1st for Washington 1st(COL)+Orlov Montreal 1st for Tampa Bay 1st+Nemestnikov These examples demonstrates a method of gaining the most of a profit from a situation( 2 picks instead of 1). Bottom line is i am a believer of drafting the player you need, not the one with the higher value available. It is a strategic game, that if planed properly, can benefit your team big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31Careyprice Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 I wouldnt mind the habs draft Murray, he is predicted to be a future #1 defensemen. But I still hope the habs pick a franchise forward instead. top 5 for the habs 1. Nail Yakupov 2. Mikhail Grigorenko 3. Filip Forsberg 4. Ryan Murray 5. Matthew Dumba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MkGee Posted January 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 i would trade up for mikahil we need that guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markmws Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 I'd love a center. My rankings for the Habs: 1. Galchenyuck 2. Girgeninko 3. Zemgus Girgerison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31Careyprice Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 I think its for the habs to start tanking properly, trade away vets put youth and start stock pilings pick for this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grecohab Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 There is a D in the draft, predicted to be chosen in the 10-20 range, with decent size, Codi Ceci. Tinordi seemed to be a great choise at the time, but from what i have seen, he is more like a Hal Gill guy, rather than a Zdeno Chara type of player. I wonder if maybe it is worth packaging Cammalleri+Tinordi for a 1st in that range to pick him up, as our second pick in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 There is a D in the draft, predicted to be chosen in the 10-20 range, with decent size, Codi Ceci. Tinordi seemed to be a great choise at the time, but from what i have seen, he is more like a Hal Gill guy, rather than a Zdeno Chara type of player. I wonder if maybe it is worth packaging Cammalleri+Tinordi for a 1st in that range to pick him up, as our second pick in the first round. The big problem we have with the draft right now is that it is heavy with D prospects in the 3-15 range, which is most likely where we're going to end up. So unless we really bomb and get a top 3 pick (whereby we have a shot at Yakupov, Grigorenko, or forsberg) then we are going to end up with the dilemna of choosing a D man, going for a lower-ranked player, or dealing the pick. I have nothing against Ceci or any of the other D men ranked highly, but right now we have Gorges, Subban, Emelin, Diaz, Beaulieu, St-Denis, Tinordi, etc. who may all be playing here 3-4 years from now. What we lack in a big way is a true first-line forward in the system. We don't have a single one in the pipeline and a top-line guy in his prime is something that's hard to buy via trade or free agency. I'm usually of the opinion that you take the bets player available no matter their position, so ultimately, if we end up in a spot where we have a #6 or #10 pick and all we see on the board is D men, I'd think hard about either trying to trade up for a top 3 or trade down to a 15-20 spot. If, as you say, we're able to get a second 1st round pick though, then it's open season on choosing another young D man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 The big problem we have with the draft right now is that it is heavy with D prospects in the 3-15 range, which is most likely where we're going to end up. So unless we really bomb and get a top 3 pick (whereby we have a shot at Yakupov, Grigorenko, or forsberg) then we are going to end up with the dilemna of choosing a D man, going for a lower-ranked player, or dealing the pick. I have nothing against Ceci or any of the other D men ranked highly, but right now we have Gorges, Subban, Emelin, Diaz, Beaulieu, St-Denis, Tinordi, etc. who may all be playing here 3-4 years from now. What we lack in a big way is a true first-line forward in the system. We don't have a single one in the pipeline and a top-line guy in his prime is something that's hard to buy via trade or free agency. I'm usually of the opinion that you take the bets player available no matter their position, so ultimately, if we end up in a spot where we have a #6 or #10 pick and all we see on the board is D men, I'd think hard about either trying to trade up for a top 3 or trade down to a 15-20 spot. If, as you say, we're able to get a second 1st round pick though, then it's open season on choosing another young D man. We could always take malcolm subban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East_Coast_Juggalo_13 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 As it stands as of Jan 19th, 2012, we pick 7th if the draft were today. Grigorenko is ranked 7th by central scouting...He should be MTL's pick because he could potentially step into the line up right away...He's the most skilled if available and satisfies both a short and long term need...Skill with size... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGESTHABSFAN123 Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 As it stands as of Jan 19th, 2012, we pick 7th if the draft were today. Grigorenko is ranked 7th by central scouting...He should be MTL's pick because he could potentially step into the line up right away...He's the most skilled if available and satisfies both a short and long term need...Skill with size... I like Mikhail, but he will most likely be picked in the top 3 or 4. Doubt he'll go down to 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31Careyprice Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I like Mikhail, but he will most likely be picked in the top 3 or 4. Doubt he'll go down to 7th. I see him dropping 4 or 5 max, not too 7 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markmws Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 If we stay in seventh, we'll never get Mikhail. I think, unfortunetly, that we'll fall to around 5th (anywhere, really, from 4-9 are really possibilities). Who knows: maybe we win the draft lottery and we draft first or second. Everyone's records are so close right now, we could be jumped by any number of the Eastern trio behind us (Tampa, Carolina, and esp. the Islanders) and the Ducks are surging right now. But I would hedge my bets on a pick in the 5-7 range. That said, Nail and Mikhail are basically out of it for us. I'm suprised nobody is really talking up Alex Galchenuk here. I know he's out all year with a torn ACL, but this kid is CRAZY talented and still considered a top four offensive prospect and the second best center in the draft (some even consider him better then Mikhail. I've heard comparisons to a bigger, more physical version of Claude Giroux. AND, if that's not enough, he's an American: he choose to play for USA instead of Russia in the under 18's. He's probably the safest Russian player to draft in terms of worrying if they would go to the KHL or not. I'd be willing to be he'll still be there at 5 or 6, and maybe at 7 if we get lucky. Most people tend to agree that Nail, Mikhail, Dumba, and Forsbeg will go in the top 6, with a whole slew of other d-men mixed in (anyone from Murray, Rielly, Trouba, Reinhart and Finn have all been Mock drafted in the top 7). We got a real shot at a game changer with Galchenuk. I also really like the things I've heard about Brendan Gaunce, Zemgus Girgenson, and Faska: all are big, physical two way centers who are very talented offensively. I've heard Gaunce compared to Mike Richards, and Zemgus and Faska have both been compared to Anze Kopitar. I like that. I know everyone always says "Draft the best player available." Sometimes I agree, but I will disagree when a situation calls for it. The Habs have drafted two top-flight d-men, both in completely different styles, the past two first rounds, and this team is screaming for a big, top flight center. Galchenuk, Gaunce, Zemgus Girgenson, and Faska fit all of those molds. Who knows, maybe we'll make a trade to get another first round pick. Then we can draft a d-man, as this draft is deep with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Bah Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Grigorenko has been my choice ever since the Euro/Draft and Patrick Roy chose him.All he needed to do was come over to the CHL and play,once he did that he was #1 overall IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 If we stay in seventh, we'll never get Mikhail. I think, unfortunetly, that we'll fall to around 5th (anywhere, really, from 4-9 are really possibilities). Who knows: maybe we win the draft lottery and we draft first or second. Everyone's records are so close right now, we could be jumped by any number of the Eastern trio behind us (Tampa, Carolina, and esp. the Islanders) and the Ducks are surging right now. But I would hedge my bets on a pick in the 5-7 range. That said, Nail and Mikhail are basically out of it for us. I'm suprised nobody is really talking up Alex Galchenuk here. I know he's out all year with a torn ACL, but this kid is CRAZY talented and still considered a top four offensive prospect and the second best center in the draft (some even consider him better then Mikhail. I've heard comparisons to a bigger, more physical version of Claude Giroux. AND, if that's not enough, he's an American: he choose to play for USA instead of Russia in the under 18's. He's probably the safest Russian player to draft in terms of worrying if they would go to the KHL or not. I'd be willing to be he'll still be there at 5 or 6, and maybe at 7 if we get lucky. Most people tend to agree that Nail, Mikhail, Dumba, and Forsbeg will go in the top 6, with a whole slew of other d-men mixed in (anyone from Murray, Rielly, Trouba, Reinhart and Finn have all been Mock drafted in the top 7). We got a real shot at a game changer with Galchenuk. I also really like the things I've heard about Brendan Gaunce, Zemgus Girgenson, and Faska: all are big, physical two way centers who are very talented offensively. I've heard Gaunce compared to Mike Richards, and Zemgus and Faska have both been compared to Anze Kopitar. I like that. I know everyone always says "Draft the best player available." Sometimes I agree, but I will disagree when a situation calls for it. The Habs have drafted two top-flight d-men, both in completely different styles, the past two first rounds, and this team is screaming for a big, top flight center. Galchenuk, Gaunce, Zemgus Girgenson, and Faska fit all of those molds. Who knows, maybe we'll make a trade to get another first round pick. Then we can draft a d-man, as this draft is deep with them. I agree. If we fall out of the top 5 and Galchenuk is available, take him. A lot of people had him right behind Nail and Mikhail before he got hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grecohab Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 This is the year of lucky number seven. Trade Kostitsyn+Weber for NSH 1st round pick, and draft Galtsenyuk at No7 and Girgensons at No17 (NSH pick)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Bah Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 This is the year of lucky number seven. Trade Kostitsyn+Weber for NSH 1st round pick, and draft Galtsenyuk at No7 and Girgensons at No17 (NSH pick)... Galchenyuk will be gone by #7 IMO and if the Habs have picks 7 & 17,I would prefer they picked Rinehart at #7 and Ceci at # 17.Trading with that kind of depth at defence would bring huge returns later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grecohab Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Galchenyuk will be gone by #7 IMO and if the Habs have picks 7 & 17,I would prefer they picked Rinehart at #7 and Ceci at # 17.Trading with that kind of depth at defence would bring huge returns later. Don't you think it is time to draft some talented, sized forwards? They will have, even or more, return value, afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGESTHABSFAN123 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 There are 4 top forwards, Yakupov, Grigorenko, Forsberg, and Galchenyuk. With the number of talented D men, you have to believe one of them will fall to 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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