grecohab Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Detroit picked Zetterberg 210th in 1999 and Datsyuk was picked 171st in 1998. I'd say Detroit got pretty lucky with these two low draft picks. Coincidence that repeats its self, is not a coincidence. Its 25% luck and 75% capability in scouting and evaluating talent. Not to mention prognosis, that no one would would have picked them out, in the previous rounds. If you study these actions as a whole, you can recognize 100% elite proffesionalism. This is what Montreal lacks, for so many years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 NHL.com draft experts pick the first round of the Draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I see Malcom Subban is the #1 rated NA goalie. He has a 1.98 GAA,,,and a .937 SV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East_Coast_Juggalo_13 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I think Gaunce in this weak a draft is a top 5 pick...Just as valid a pick as anyone in the top 5...He is the best combination of size, skill and leadership...He fills more holes for MTL both short and long term; He's the top pick imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGESTHABSFAN123 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I think Gaunce in this weak a draft is a top 5 pick...Just as valid a pick as anyone in the top 5...He is the best combination of size, skill and leadership...He fills more holes for MTL both short and long term; He's the top pick imho I thought this was a strong draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 NHL.com draft experts pick the first round of the Draft Morreale has us taking Faska at 8, Hoffner has us taking Faska at 8, and Kimelman has us taking Faska at 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerdunner Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Morreale has us taking Faska at 8, Hoffner has us taking Faska at 8, and Kimelman has us taking Faska at 8. Bob Mckenzie see's his value rising if anything from here in, and called him possibly the sleeper pick of the draft so if the habs aren't in the lottery he could end up a hab. I think almost for sure we will draft a forward so it just matters who is available. GRIGORENKO FORSBERG GALCHENYUK FAKSA As Yakupov is 99% going first overall and habs probably won't be in the lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Morreale has us taking Faska at 8, Hoffner has us taking Faska at 8, and Kimelman has us taking Faska at 8. Yeah, I saw that too... and we may well end up with that type of second-tier center, akin perhaps to a Mika Zibanejad or Mike Richards... Faksa may not be a bad pick, unless you have aspirations of grabbing one of the top 4 forwards in the draft. What I think is more telling is that despite the wealth of D men, the three "experts" here all have the top 4 forwards gone by the 7th pick and only one has a guy (Forsberg) still available after the top 5 picks. Given that we're sitting at the 6th pick now, this would indicate to me that even at this spot, our chances of landing a top-tier forward are slim. Bob McKenzie also has his mid-season rankings out and has Yakupov, Grigorenko and Forsberg all gone in the top 4, and Galchenyuk down at #7, likely only there because of his ACL. If we look at the other teams in the lottery running, Columbus is a lock to pick 1st or 2nd overall and will undoubtedly take one of Yakupov/Grigorenko. Edmonton, if they don't end up in the top 2, may be inclined to take a D man. Anaheim, as well, may need help on the blue line, but with Koivu and Selanne possibly retiring, I think they'd reach out for a forward. Carolina and Buffalo likely want forwards too, and TB is a toss-up as to what they go for. All this to say that most teams are likely going to opt for the top-4 forwards before going for a D man, a fact that doesn't help us, since we need help on our 1st line not a D prospect. My current prediction on the draft's top picks: 1. Clb - Yakupov 2. Edm - Grigorenko (but if they end up at #2, I can see them willing to deal down and take a D man a few picks later) 3. Ana - Forsberg 4. Car - Dumba 5. Buf - Galchenyuk 6. Mtl - ??? Our best hope is that Edm wins some games and falls out of the 2nd pick... if Ana, for example, takes Grigorenko at #2, I can see Edm taking Murray at #3 and allowing us to Forsberg to slide to us at #6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I would be hugely upset if we end up selecting someone on D with our first round choice. Although I suppose Ryan Murray is pretty highly touted. But, yes... I do imagine the forwards will be quick to go. Galchenyuk is quite interesting, but has missed the entire season so far. I'm not sure when he's expected to start playing or how far he might fall. Right now I think we still have a shot to draft in the top-five. Number one or two... I doubt it, but we could be anywhere from 3-10, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markmws Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 The draft blog is probably my favorite because it's just a lot of fun to predict! There are a lot of very good players that we may be in position to get. It is sooooo hard to predict where we are going to finish in the standings, but if I had to guess I'd say the Habs will be somewhere between the 2-8 range, and most likely in the 4-6 range (I'd much rather they be in the playoffs too). Obviously, if they win the lottery, they could move up 4 spots and get a shot at first overall (unlikely as it seems). Then it's a matter of who's been choosen before our pick. I'll say the Habs pick at the 4 or 5 spots because, honestly, I just don't see them finishing any higher then that, but I don't think they're going to finish worse then Carolina in the East and the Jackets and Oilers, IMHO, will finish with worse records too. The Habs have every bit of a chance to finish in last in the East though, at least as it stands now, and could likely get the 2nd overall pick. The Habs could also finish with better records then Buffalo, NYI, Tampa and the Jets too (Although I just don't see that happening this year). That said, I think the 4th pick is a likely spot. Again, predicting is tough, but I see the Jackets picking Yakapuv 1st overall instead of Mikhail. What happens then? If the Oil pick second, I'll say they help their backend and pick Dumba. 3rd? The Canes get Mikhail, even though they really could use a d-man like RM. So, if the Habs pick 4th, I think they'll get Galchenyuk. But it'll be hard to pass up on Forsberg or Faksa. Faksa reminds me a lot like Mika Zimbanjad of last year: just shot up from an afterthought to a top 10 pick. I really like the guy. He'll be their at 7-8, so if we pick at those spots, we'll get him. But at 4-6 we'll have a shot at Galchenyuk or Forsberg, and even have an unlikely but outside shot at Mikhail if the Canes and Oil both go d-men. If we pick fifth (lets say buffalo has the forth pick) they either Galchenyuk or Forsberg would be gone and we'll have to choose between the one that's left and Faksa. If we pick 6th (lets say Buffalo AND Tampa finish with worse records and they both choose forwards) then we'll get the leftover. The draft is so unpredictable, we never know who could be available. I was SHOCKED last year that Sean Coutorier fell to 8th and that Hamilton went 9th. Beaulieu at 17th? Most scouts had him, at the very least, at 11, and some had him in the top 10. We could see a draft where both the oil and canes choose d-men and we get Mikhail, or we have the 9th pick and Forsberg, for no reason, falls in our lap. You never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markmws Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 The more and more I watch Faksa the more I like him. He's really impressive. While I like Gaunce, I am just not as excited about him. I think he'll be a very good NHL player, but he's not a top ten pick for me: that upside just isn't there. So my list is: Yakapuv (unlikely, but you never know) Mikhail (again, unlikely, but you never know) Galchenyuk Faksa Forsberg (he's a winger, and honestly he hasn't impressed anyone this year) After those five, I think the decision gets tough because, in reality, those are the only top-end forwards in the draft. After that, you might as well trade your pick and maybe get a Tom Wilson or Matteau with a late 1st round pick and a prospect. To me, it's those five forwards. If we fail to get one of those five, we should trade. If we feel that we won't get one, then we should trade up to get into position to get one. Honestly, I think we'll draft in the top 10 and most likely in the 4-6 hole, making this conversation a mute point. We'll get one of them, it's just a matter of who. For what it's worth, I think all 5 of those forwards, even Galchenyuk, play in the NHL next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I would be hugely upset if we end up selecting someone on D with our first round choice. Although I suppose Ryan Murray is pretty highly touted. But, yes... I do imagine the forwards will be quick to go. Galchenyuk is quite interesting, but has missed the entire season so far. I'm not sure when he's expected to start playing or how far he might fall. Right now I think we still have a shot to draft in the top-five. Number one or two... I doubt it, but we could be anywhere from 3-10, IMO. He's hoping to be back some time in March from what I understand. If he looks healthy and has a strong playoff run he might actually rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGESTHABSFAN123 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 He's hoping to be back some time in March from what I understand. If he looks healthy and has a strong playoff run he might actually rise. That's what I'm afraid of, he was right behind Yakupov and Grigorenko before he got hurt. He might actually be picked ahead of them if he does good. Which is not good for us, because were unlikely to pick any of those two anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell75 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I would be hugely upset if we end up selecting someone on D with our first round choice. Although I suppose Ryan Murray is pretty highly touted. But, yes... I do imagine the forwards will be quick to go. Galchenyuk is quite interesting, but has missed the entire season so far. I'm not sure when he's expected to start playing or how far he might fall. Right now I think we still have a shot to draft in the top-five. Number one or two... I doubt it, but we could be anywhere from 3-10, IMO. Every time I see that yellow rocket on the left side of the page, I read the text on the right side of the page. And every time after I read that text, I think "yes, exactly". And then I think I should post to let Jennifer Rocket know I agree with her on everything. Next GM: Jennifer Rocket! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Every time I see that yellow rocket on the left side of the page, I read the text on the right side of the page. And every time after I read that text, I think "yes, exactly". And then I think I should post to let Jennifer Rocket know I agree with her on everything. Next GM: Jennifer Rocket! Ummmmm,,,,jennifer_rocket is a guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grecohab Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I am going to play Mr.Gauthier at draft day. Assuming that during the deadline i couldn't transform any pending vets (Gill,Moen,AK) of mine, in 1st round picks. I decide to go at the first round with a sizeable forward, because my defense pool looks better than the offensive one. This actually means i wouldn't pick the best player available, but the player i need. My pick list, in order, would be: 1.Grigorenko 2.Yakupov 3.Galtsenyuk 4.Forsberg 5.Faksa 6.Gaunce 7.Grigersons 8.Wilson 9.Hertl 10.Frk The sure think is that we cant predict the exact spot that we are going to draft. For me it is probably going to be from 3-7. So it is likely, we will miss the top-2 Russians, if no trade occurs. Many experts predict that Forsberg will go No3, and i am not thrilled in drafting hime either because he is a winger and we need a centerman. So the next available centerman is Galtsenuyk (to me he has the most odds to be picked by us), who is predicted to go at No7. The very interesting part will be if we pick 4th or 5th, missing on the top-3 above. We may trade down, spot by spot, and still pick Galtsenuyk at No7, because teams like EDM,ANA,TBL,NYI,BUF will probably pick a defender (Murray,Dumba, Trouba,Reinhart,Reilly, all prodicted in the top 10). If we play our cards right we will pick the player we want, by adding something, every time we drop a spot. I am not familiar though, with the value of dropping down a spot. Is it another pick? How does this work? Best case scenario in this draft is to pick Galtsenyuk at No7, and somehow add another 1st rounder in the 15-20 range,(AK+Weber for NSH 1st?) picking up Gaunce/Grigersons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 We may trade down, spot by spot, and still pick Galtsenuyk at No7, because teams like EDM,ANA,TBL,NYI,BUF will probably pick a defender (Murray,Dumba, Trouba,Reinhart,Reilly, all prodicted in the top 10). If we play our cards right we will pick the player we want, by adding something, every time we drop a spot. I am not familiar though, with the value of dropping down a spot. Is it another pick? How does this work? Best case scenario in this draft is to pick Galtsenyuk at No7, and somehow add another 1st rounder in the 15-20 range,(AK+Weber for NSH 1st?) picking up Gaunce/Grigersons... The value of dropping a spot is pretty subjective, but most often you see trades such as "X trades their 6th overall pick and a third rounder for Y's 10th overall pick and a second rounder" and that sort of thing. I like the idea of trading down in theory, but it might not work for the same reasons that it would be a good idea. Like you said, we may think that many of the teams below us want a defenceman. Likewise, though, they're going to know that we're likely going to want a forward. Why trade up to pass us when we're not going to take the guy they want anyway? The only way it would work is if we traded with a team that had a slightly lower pick (like three below us) to let them pass a few of the other defenceman-minded teams in front of them. At that point, thought, you're starting to take a big chace that the forward you want won't be drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Faksa on the rangers is an itneresting big centre. We could always trade our first round pick for an elite centre and move down a few spots and get a decent winger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 We could always trade our first round pick for an elite centre and move down a few spots and get a decent winger That would work if the big center is (or would be) available, fairly young (23-27), and is a minimum 60-75 PT. guy (the caveat would be his contract). The "few spots down" would likely become the 25-39 spots IMHO. Could you trust PG to look at all of the options, and not just who he will be drafting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Faksa on the rangers is an itneresting big centre. We could always trade our first round pick for an elite centre and move down a few spots and get a decent winger Yes, he does sound interesting. Radek Faksa I'd be a little leery about picking Galchenyuk if he was available. After what has happened with Markov I'm not sure I'd want to spend a high draft pick on a player who has had a torn ACL already. In my mind the Habs aren't in a position to take the gamble. If we we're a top tier team I could see us taking the chance on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yes, he does sound interesting. Radek Faksa I'd be a little leery about picking Galchenyuk if he was available. After what has happened with Markov I'm not sure I'd want to spend a high draft pick on a player who has had a torn ACL already. In my mind the Habs aren't in a position to take the gamble. If we we're a top tier team I could see us taking the chance on him. I think we'll have a lot more information on how the injury has affected him before the draft. He was targeting a March return. Also, an 18 year old kid can probably bounce back and put an injury behind a lot easier than a 32 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Bah Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 If the Habs have a decent run at the playoffs their best bet for the draft might be swapping picks for next year with Columbus.They need as many good players as possible right away,Montreal could try to make a deal for Brassard as well.The Habs have depth in defence and Columbus can use help there.Otherwise the Habs best bet would be Cristobal Nieves,he will need at least three to four years before he's ready for the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie6898 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Why do you think that we don't even have a chance for a playoff spot and our winning streak will be over in a game or two. We are lucky that the streak even started. So let's not push our luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grecohab Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 I am concerned about some public comments that Gauthier have made in the past. He has said that at the draft, you dont pick the player you need, but the best player available. What if the 4 centers (Yakupov, Grigorenko, Galtsenyuk and Forsberg) are gone, as predicted, in the top-5 picks and we pick in the 6-10 range (quite likely). Does this mean he will draft another defensemen (Dumba, Trouba, Reilly, Reinhart, Murray)? If so, is he willing to make a package of, an already Canadien d-prospect (Tinordi-Beaulieu), to gain the much needed offensive prospect, we lack? I have a bad feeling about this...we might well end up, with the deepest d-prospect pool (Tinordi-Beaulieu-Dumba-Subban) in the league, and no offensive talent at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie6898 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 I agree that we'll need some strong forward prospects but having a strong d line in the NHL is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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