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#15 Petteri Nokelainen 2011-2012


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Quite strange signals i get from this signing and right before july 1st too. One never signs a 13th forward before you actually got what you want for a 4th line c. This is so strange, is Noks going to be the new Moen (think he going out west) on this team now ??

Just meh.....

Saving money some say...wow 35k at the most, add 150k and you get a good 4th liner.

What a waste!

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It's being over analyzed, it's a depth move in case the thin free agency year causes people to go crazy. He could be in Hamilton, he could be the 13th forward or he could be the 4th line center. None of those options are that troubling.

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It's being over analyzed, it's a depth move in case the thin free agency year causes people to go crazy. He could be in Hamilton, he could be the 13th forward or he could be the 4th line center. None of those options are that troubling.

Agreed, its not like we threw out mega dollars at him either, so its fine by me.

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We're now set to win the cup woooo!!!! :lol:

Seriously though, I dont mind this signing. That's dirt cheap (for NHL hockey) and I'd rather have him sit out games than a prospect whose time is better spent on the ice in Hamilton.

I don't mind it either, although I will say that I am surprised. I really didn't think he brought much to the team last season. Fourth line center position, locked. :lol:

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It's being over analyzed, it's a depth move in case the thin free agency year causes people to go crazy. He could be in Hamilton, he could be the 13th forward or he could be the 4th line center. None of those options are that troubling.

True. It doesn't really matter. We have let Darche go and kept Nokelainen. That's actually an upgrade, IMO.

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True. It doesn't really matter. We have let Darche go and kept Nokelainen. That's actually an upgrade, IMO.

I don't see it as an upgrade. If you plan to use Noke as the 13th or 14th guy, then it shouldn't make too much difference. But if the plan is to stick him back on the 4th line, it's a terrible decision. When metropolit and Halpern were here in that role, we got guys with more experience (and veteran leadership for the bottom 6), better defensive skills, a little bit more offensive capability, and the same face-off skills. Outside of the draw, Noke hasn't shown he can do anything well. He wasn't a stand-out on the penalty kill, he provided zero offence, and he didn't hit or fight. To me, a guy has to bring more than one skill to stay in the league. You can't just be a face-off guy or a shoot-out specialist or a fighter who can't skate. I would have rather seen us go after a guy like Torrey mitchell and paid him a touch more or settled on a guy like Halpern if we really did want a guy to play for the league minimum. I couldn't care less that Nokelainen is 26 because his long-term future here is largely irrelevant. He'll be gone (or at least should be) within a year or two, so whether we sign a 26-year-old or a 33-year-old doesn't mean much to me so long as the guy can play at an NHL level this coming season.

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I don't see it as an upgrade. If you plan to use Noke as the 13th or 14th guy, then it shouldn't make too much difference. But if the plan is to stick him back on the 4th line, it's a terrible decision. When metropolit and Halpern were here in that role, we got guys with more experience (and veteran leadership for the bottom 6), better defensive skills, a little bit more offensive capability, and the same face-off skills. Outside of the draw, Noke hasn't shown he can do anything well. He wasn't a stand-out on the penalty kill, he provided zero offence, and he didn't hit or fight. To me, a guy has to bring more than one skill to stay in the league. You can't just be a face-off guy or a shoot-out specialist or a fighter who can't skate. I would have rather seen us go after a guy like Torrey mitchell and paid him a touch more or settled on a guy like Halpern if we really did want a guy to play for the league minimum. I couldn't care less that Nokelainen is 26 because his long-term future here is largely irrelevant. He'll be gone (or at least should be) within a year or two, so whether we sign a 26-year-old or a 33-year-old doesn't mean much to me so long as the guy can play at an NHL level this coming season.

Fair enough.

When it comes to Nokelainen I agree with you that he is one dimensional and never showed anything of relevance last year while playing for Montreal. I am surprised by the move, but I am also not really concerned about it. Sure he's a pretty poor player, but I will give him a second shot to show me he can at the very least improve on his penalty killing duties. If he's the 13th/14th forward and is only going to be playing 20-25 games I'm not too worried. He's better than Darche defensively, IMO, and although he may not provide any offense, I'm not really expecting the fourth line to provide any regardless of who's on there.

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Fair enough.

When it comes to Nokelainen I agree with you that he is one dimensional and never showed anything of relevance last year while playing for Montreal. I am surprised by the move, but I am also not really concerned about it. Sure he's a pretty poor player, but I will give him a second shot to show me he can at the very least improve on his penalty killing duties. If he's the 13th/14th forward and is only going to be playing 20-25 games I'm not too worried. He's better than Darche defensively, IMO, and although he may not provide any offense, I'm not really expecting the fourth line to provide any regardless of who's on there.

In the grand scheme of things, this isn't a make-or-break move, I agree. But at the same time, it worries me a bit that management would accept signing him on a one-way deal before July 1st after the way he played last season. Was there really such a rush to sign him when there would have been a dozen equally cheap, equally capable players we could have signed later in the summer if our Plan A didn't work out? I'd actually rather have seen us give Dumont a shot over Nokelainen.

As for a 4th line, no I don't expect a ton of offence out of anyone there, but that line has to be able to generate energy for the team, to get the crowd into the game, and to stick up for the guys who do have talent. White is the perfect example of what you can get out of a fourth line player who doesn't have all the tools to be a top 9 guy. Shawn Thornton is another good example. With Nokelainen, not only does he bring a lack of offensive ability, he also failed to bring any type of positive momentum to the squad last season. It doesn't really mean that much to win draws if your line just dumps the puck back over to the other team. Again, it's not the biggest decision one way or the other, but improving our 4th line should have been (and still could be) one of the easier fixes on the team. I'd like to get a guy there who can be a >50% face-off guy but who can also do a little more, whether that's providing relief for Pleks on the penalty kill the way Halpern did or providing toughness and grit. To me, it was obvious from last season that Noke fell into the Tom Pyatt one-dimensional player category and I'm just a bit shocked that with so many guys in the front office, no one noticed that.

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Fair enough.

When it comes to Nokelainen I agree with you that he is one dimensional and never showed anything of relevance last year while playing for Montreal. I am surprised by the move, but I am also not really concerned about it. Sure he's a pretty poor player, but I will give him a second shot to show me he can at the very least improve on his penalty killing duties. If he's the 13th/14th forward and is only going to be playing 20-25 games I'm not too worried. He's better than Darche defensively, IMO, and although he may not provide any offense, I'm not really expecting the fourth line to provide any regardless of who's on there.

You mean you don't expect Staubitz and white to score 15 goals each?

JR I am glad your not running the team.

:P kidding :lol:

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In the grand scheme of things, this isn't a make-or-break move, I agree. But at the same time, it worries me a bit that management would accept signing him on a one-way deal before July 1st after the way he played last season. Was there really such a rush to sign him when there would have been a dozen equally cheap, equally capable players we could have signed later in the summer if our Plan A didn't work out? I'd actually rather have seen us give Dumont a shot over Nokelainen.

As for a 4th line, no I don't expect a ton of offence out of anyone there, but that line has to be able to generate energy for the team, to get the crowd into the game, and to stick up for the guys who do have talent. White is the perfect example of what you can get out of a fourth line player who doesn't have all the tools to be a top 9 guy. Shawn Thornton is another good example. With Nokelainen, not only does he bring a lack of offensive ability, he also failed to bring any type of positive momentum to the squad last season. It doesn't really mean that much to win draws if your line just dumps the puck back over to the other team. Again, it's not the biggest decision one way or the other, but improving our 4th line should have been (and still could be) one of the easier fixes on the team. I'd like to get a guy there who can be a >50% face-off guy but who can also do a little more, whether that's providing relief for Pleks on the penalty kill the way Halpern did or providing toughness and grit. To me, it was obvious from last season that Noke fell into the Tom Pyatt one-dimensional player category and I'm just a bit shocked that with so many guys in the front office, no one noticed that.

Good points. I also find is surprising that Bergevin should sign him before July 1st. There would have any number of fourth line players out there who could have filled that particular spot and possibly brought something more to the team at the same time. Perhaps Bergevin likes Nokelainen (not sure why) and wanted to get a cost-effective deal done now instead of later on with a different free agent.

You mean you don't expect Staubitz and white to score 15 goals each?

JR I am glad your not running the team.

:P kidding :lol:

Har har! :lol: I'd probably run the team straight into the ground!

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I see the points made on how Noke will be a good extra player and I do think thats a great deal. However I could also see him being used as a vet presence in Hamilton, seeing as we lost a big centre in Engqvist....if not I hope we sign Moore/Halpern/Konopka on July 1st.

I suppose it's possible he ends up in Hamilton although I think veteran presence might've come cheaper than $500,000+ on a one way deal.

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I thought it was a two way deal :/

Didn't hear anything about it being a two way. As far as i know, he'll have to be waived to go down and it will be at full wage.Not likely Hamilton bound.

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I thought it was a two way deal :/

It doesn't matter. We had so many injuries last season that I think we tend to forget that normally, we should have 3 guys watching the game from the press box on any given night. You cant have a promising prospect in that role.

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