Forever_Habs10 Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 Now That The Hockey Hall of Fame officially welcomed four new members, as Ed Belfour, Doug Gilmour, Joe Nieuwendyk and Mark Howe were inducted as the Class of 2011 in a ceremony. HOCKEY HALL OF FAME WELCOMES ITS NEW MEMBERS We Now Ask Ourselves...WHO SHOULD BE IN THE HALL OF FAME CLASS OF 2012? As the Hockey Hall of Fame Class of 2011 gets enshrined in Toronto, the buzz about the next crop of Hall-eligible inductees for 2012 has already begun. In short, the field is stacked. Remember, the Hall of Fame committee can select no more than four players for enshrinement each year. And the new batch, coupled with those who struck out on their previous attempt or attempts, will make the upcoming selection a major debate. First, the anticlimactic. Barring a major oversight, two of the spots should already be set in stone with first-time eligibles Joe Sakic and Brendan Shanahan. They are two names that pass one of the simple Hall of Fame tests: that is, before even looking at their numbers and accomplishments, their careers stand out. The numbers and accomplishments simply drive the point home that we have known all along: Sakic and Shanahan were dominant and wildly successful winners over the course of their NHL careers. For Burnaby Joe: 1378 games, 625 goals, 1,016 assists. 1,641 points. Two-time Stanley Cup Champion. And then scroll down and wrap your head around these accomplishments over his 20-year career - spent entirely with one entire franchise. As for the current league disciplinarian, Shanahan played in 1,524 games, racking up 656 goals, 698 assists and 1,354 points. He's a three-time Cup champion, and like Sakic, was near the top of the league in most offensive categories in his prime. Which leaves only two spots for these fantastic careers. Let the debate begin. We'll start with the rest of the first-time eligible players. Mats Sundin The Line: 1,346 GP, 564 goals, 785 assists, 1,349 points Claims to Fame: Ranks 27th all-time in career scoring, and averaged a point per game during his 18-year career. A two-time selection to the All-NHL second team, and with eight all-star game appearances. Led Sweden to a gold medal at the 2006 Olympics in Turin. Disclaim the Fame: If you're from the school of thought that winning counts, then that would affect Sundin, who never won a Stanley Cup - let alone played in a Final. He won no major awards over the course of his career, and scoring wise, finished in the top 10 in scoring just twice during his career, and had just a single 100-plus point campaign. Jeremy Roenick The Line: 1,363 GP, 513 goals, 703 assists, 1,216 points Claims to Fame: Ranks 40th on both the all-time scoring and all-time games played list. A veteran of nine all-star games, Roenick helped lead the Blackhawks to the Stanley Cup Final in 1992, where they were swept by the Penguins. Only the third American-born player ever to score 500 career goals. Disclaim the Fame: Like Sundin, Roenick was never able to win the big one in his career. He was in the top-10 in goals and points just twice over his 17-year career. He was never named to an all-NHL team, and won no prominent end-of-year awards. The only category he ever led was game-winning goals, during the 1991-92 season. Gary Roberts The Line: 1224 GP, 438 goals, 472 assists, 910 points Claims to Fame: A prominent piece to Calgary's lone Stanley Cup win in 1989. Winner of the Bill Masterton Trophy in 1995-96, the award given to the player most exemplifying qualities of perseverance and sportsmanship. Roberts also returned from a devastating neck injury to play 21 NHL seasons, and rank in the top 100 in all-time scoring. Disclaim to Fame: The Cup win looks good on the resume, but other than the Masterton trophy, Roberts doesn't have the accolades or statistical data of others in the field. He was never selected as an all-star but played in three all-star games and had just one 50-goal season, which was also the only year he finished in the top 10 in scoring in his career. Curtis Joseph The Line: 943 GP, 454-352-96, .906 save pct., 2.79 GAA, 51 SO Claims to Fame: CuJo makes his claim virtually all in statistics, and they show that he was, during the best years of his career, one of the best goalies in the NHL. During a 15-year stretch from 1991-92 to 2005-06, Joseph ranked in the top 10 in wins 10 times. Over that same period, he finished in the top 10 in fewest total goals allowed 10 times, and led the league in 1989-99. From the 1991-92 season through the 2001-02 campaign, he led the league in total saves three times, and never finished outside the top five. The two-time all-star finished in the top 10 in shutouts seven times, and his 51 career shutouts rank him 21st all-time. His 454 wins are fourth best all-time, and he also won a gold medal at the 2002 Winter Games in Salt Lake City. Disclaim to Fame: All those wins, and Joseph has no Vezina trophies as the league's top goalie, and was never named to an all-NHL team. As well, he never played in the Stanley Cup Final. Six times in his career, Joseph ranked in the top 10 in losses. His 352 losses ranks second all-time NHL history. And don't forget about some of returning candidates: Eric Lindros The Line: 760 GP, 372 goals, 493 assists, 865 points The Goods: A Hart trophy winner as league MVP, an Art Ross trophy as scoring leader and a Pearson award winner as MVP as voted by the Players' Association. Named to the All-NHL team two times. Career cut short by concussions. Pavel Bure The Line: 702 GP, 437 goals, 342 assists, 779 points The Goods: Calder Trophy winner as league's top rookie, as well as a three-time Rocket Richard winner as the leading goal scorer in the league. Can't discount the fact that he was, in his prime, arguably the best player in the league. Career derailed by knee injuries. Adam Oates The Line: 1337 GP, 341 goals, 1079 assists, 1420 points The Goods: 16th on the NHL all-time scoring list. Ranks sixth all-time in total assists. Named to the All-NHL second team in 1990-91. Arguably the biggest omission from the 2011 class. Dave Andreychuk The Line: 1639 GP, 640 goals, 698 assists, 1338 points The Goods: A Stanley Cup Champion at the tail end of his career with the Lightning, Andreychuk ranks 14th all-time on the NHL goal scoring list. Phil Housley The Line: 1495 GP, 338 goals, 894 assists, 1232 points The Goods: Named to the 1982-83 NHL All-Rookie first team and a second team all-NHL selection in 1991-92. Ranks 37th all-time on the NHL scoring list. Second all-time in scoring and games played by an American-born player. Theoren Fleury The Line: 1084 GP, 455 goals, 633 assists, 1088 points The Goods: Helped lead the Flames to their lone Stanley Cup win in the 1988-89 season. An all-NHL second-team selection in the 1995-96 season, Fleury also helped Canada to Olympic gold in 2002. Finished in the top 10 in goals and points three times in his career. Ranks 57th all-time in NHL scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine1One Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 Adam Oates should get in this time. WHy is there a 4 person limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 Pat Burns. That said, they'll probably ignore him yet again. I predict: Cujo, Sundin, Sakic, and Shanahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 Pat Burns. That said, they'll probably ignore him yet again. I predict: Cujo, Sundin, Sakic, and Shanahan. Pat Burns has the best resume of them all,,,a no-brainer, if you ask me, even then it would be 2 years too late. (yes, I am STILL ticked-off) Of the rest of the candidates, it seems these days you just have to be "pretty-good" not "consistantly excel" in the game, to become a candidate. Of these candidates, most of them don't have even 1 major individual award (looking at you Sundin, Joseph, J.R. ). IMHO,,,the induction credentials have become watered down over the years. Heck Doug Jarvis with his Masterton, Selke trophies and 6 Stanley Cups (4 as a player and 2 as an assistant coach), isn't even in there, even tho I don't think he should be. I hardly pay any attention to the HOF inductees, anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 Of the rest of the candidates, it seems these days you just have to be "pretty-good" not "consistantly excel" in the game, to become a candidate. Of these candidates, most of them don't have even 1 major individual award (looking at you Sundin, Joseph, J.R. ). But Mats and Cujo have the HOF's most important criteria of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 But Mats and Cujo have the HOF's most important criteria of all. Fan favourite of the leafs? Player of the leafs? Resident of Toronto? they meet all of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Fan favourite of the leafs? Player of the leafs? Resident of Toronto? they meet all of them! Bingo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted November 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 I hardly pay any attention to the HOF inductees, anymore. Oh thanks a lot friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsRuleForever Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Oh thanks a lot friend. Yeah they let anyone in now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Oh thanks a lot friend. Ya know 10,,,,your the only HOFer I've seen on these boards. That's a lot like being put in a dory, that is anchored in the Bay of Fundy. Everyone knows your out there,,,,but your all alone. Yeah they let anyone in now. ya,,,kinda like the Mods,,,,,,(poke,,poke) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted December 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Theoren Fleury The Line: 1084 GP, 455 goals, 633 assists, 1088 points The Goods: Helped lead the Flames to their lone Stanley Cup win in the 1988-89 season. An all-NHL second-team selection in the 1995-96 season, Fleury also helped Canada to Olympic gold in 2002. Finished in the top 10 in goals and points three times in his career. Ranks 57th all-time in NHL scoring. and speaking of Fleury... It appears Theoren Fleury may get his Stanley Cup ring back after all. Fleury lost his 1989 Stanley Cup ring at last year's Heritage Classic at McMahon Stadium but now, according to the Calgary Sun, the ring is on the Craigslist website with a message that appears to be intended for Fleury. "This item will only be released to a Calgary Flames Stanley Cup winner of 1989 ... you know who you are," read the message on Craigslist. The report indicates Fleury intends to follow up on the posting in hopes of getting the ring back. "We're on it," Fleury wrote in a text to the Calgary Sun. Fleury, who participated in the alumni game before the Heritage Classic, said the ring fell out of his pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Pat Burns has the best resume of them all,,,a no-brainer, if you ask me, even then it would be 2 years too late. (yes, I am STILL ticked-off) Of the rest of the candidates, it seems these days you just have to be "pretty-good" not "consistantly excel" in the game, to become a candidate. Of these candidates, most of them don't have even 1 major individual award (looking at you Sundin, Joseph, J.R. ). IMHO,,,the induction credentials have become watered down over the years. Heck Doug Jarvis with his Masterton, Selke trophies and 6 Stanley Cups (4 as a player and 2 as an assistant coach), isn't even in there, even tho I don't think he should be. I hardly pay any attention to the HOF inductees, anymore. Yup.... The HOF used to be reserved for the greats of the game. I've never really been a proponent of a player needing to win a cup or a major individual award to get into the Hall. Great players on losing teams are held back just by playing with mediocre linemates/teammates and yet they excel. Some great players were great because they played on good teams with great linemates/teammates. Having said that, if I absolutely had to pick to entries into the Hall of Fame they would be Sundin and Oates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwdemonwolf Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Pavel Bure has to get in. What a hockey player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizardking89 Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Bure, Oats, J.R. and Cujo should get in next year. Hopefully they correct the oversight of not inducting Burns as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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