FirstStar Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Curious to know also what they were willing to give up to get Kaberle. After all we gave up Spacek so I guess the other teams just didn't have the assets to match. Carolina did say they were looking for a forward. I'd laugh if they inquired about cole. :lol: Worked once, oilers did trade him back to carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Carolina did say they were looking for a forward. I'd laugh if they inquired about cole. :lol: Worked once, oilers did trade him back to carolina. I'll bet Cole's name was mentioned. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I'd laugh if they inquired about cole. :lol: He's not going any where's.....cause I say so. I'll bet Cole's name was mentioned. :lol: Too damm bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Cole has that NTC so it wasn't in the cards. Yet I'm still curious to know if they at least inquired. They were looking for a forward and I'm pretty sure with them looking for a forward, that Staal put in his 2 cents. He really didn't want to see cole sign somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 or, other teams wanted Carolina to take on longer contracts than Spacek's This would be my guess too. Carolina said after the deal they were happy to take only a one year deal back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 This would be my guess too. Carolina said after the deal they were happy to take only a one year deal back. I agree. Only the habs are willing to take on questinable contracts. This is also a team on a budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme-1 Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I just want to say I think this was a great trade. We got a player who is best case a top-pairing offensive dman, worse-case a serviceable depth guy. The risk is relatively small: 2 more years at 4.5 million isn't insane. But our team has really struggled offensively, and to be able to get an elite puck-mover / PP specialist for Spacek was a great opportunity. The team needed a change and it's difficult to do something "big" without giving up a lot, but here Gauthier found a way to make a potentially big, season-changing move without giving up a single prospect or draft pick, and really the only caveat is there are some questions if Kaberle will be overpaid in the next couple of seasons. I agree. Only the habs are willing to take on questinable contracts. This is also a team on a budget. It's a questionable contract, sure, but one he's 100% capable of living up to, it's not like he's necessarily overpaid, just not having a great season. With someone like Gomez, we knew at the time we were taking a player who was overpaid, and barring something extraordinary happening, would at best be 'only slightly overpaid'. Kaberle can completely live up to the contract and be seen as good value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 On that Cole PPG last night, him being on the ice had the Islanders split and when the Puck went to Subban they were so spread out that it opened up the ice for them. This is why you need two threats back there on the PP and so far Kaberle and his presence has done its job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 On that Cole PPG last night, him being on the ice had the Islanders split and when the Puck went to Subban they were so spread out that it opened up the ice for them. This is why you need two threats back there on the PP and so far Kaberle and his presence has done its job. The difference in our PP is significant, more than I imagined it would be actually. We're generating a lot of puck movement and even though we've only actually scored a couple PPGs, it's not sapping momentum like it was. Anyway, I believe his 5 on 5 play will get better when he's paired with a more fitting partner and he adjusts to the system but with his PP work, he can take all the time he needs. He's made some passes, under duress, right to a guy's tape that just have me shaking my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 The difference in our PP is significant, more than I imagined it would be actually. We're generating a lot of puck movement and even though we've only actually scored a couple PPGs, it's not sapping momentum like it was. Anyway, I believe his 5 on 5 play will get better when he's paired with a more fitting partner and he adjusts to the system but with his PP work, he can take all the time he needs. He's made some passes, under duress, right to a guy's tape that just have me shaking my head. Not all Kaberle's passes were great. There was a PP where Subban was waiting for a one-timer and 2-3 passes in a row were too far in front of him to get it off. I'll chalk that up to new partners playing together, but yes, the PP has looked a hundred times better, it's scored in consecutive games (that we essentially won by 1 goal each), and we're 2-0 with Kaberle. So far, so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 A small sample, but some improvement nevertheless on the PP. However he has been soft (as expected) on two goals against at 5-on-5. I suppose it doesn't help playing with two d-men playing their off-wing in Emelin and Campoli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Not all Kaberle's passes were great. There was a PP where Subban was waiting for a one-timer and 2-3 passes in a row were too far in front of him to get it off. I'll chalk that up to new partners playing together, but yes, the PP has looked a hundred times better, it's scored in consecutive games (that we essentially won by 1 goal each), and we're 2-0 with Kaberle. So far, so good. I know he made a few bad passes, didn't mean to imply he's perfect or was perfect and I wasn't even directly referring to the PP. The way he moves the puck is elite and we haven't had that in so long that there's times when I'm a little bit taken aback at something he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Not all Kaberle's passes were great. There was a PP where Subban was waiting for a one-timer and 2-3 passes in a row were too far in front of him to get it off. I'll chalk that up to new partners playing together, but yes, the PP has looked a hundred times better, it's scored in consecutive games (that we essentially won by 1 goal each), and we're 2-0 with Kaberle. So far, so good. He's also made his career on the PP passing to lefties for the one timer, it's probably a bit of an adjustment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 He's also made his career on the PP passing to lefties for the one timer, it's probably a bit of an adjustment. Yeah, they mentioned that on RDS last night and I immediately thought of all the passes the period before which went into Subban's skates. How this trade is getting the bad press that it is is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Yeah, they mentioned that on RDS last night and I immediately thought of all the passes the period before which went into Subban's skates. How this trade is getting the bad press that it is is beyond me. Same here. He actually signed at or even below market value and on a reasonable term. Of course because of his terrible start in Carolina, the contract looks brutal all of a sudden, and no one in the media is willing to consider it may in fact just be a bad start. A few more games like this though and I expect some of the talking heads will have to start eating a little crow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detritus Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I was pretty frustrated when I saw this trade, but have let those emotions slide to try and give him a fair shot. So far, his offensive play has been incredible. The passes are a thing of beauty. What impresses me even more though is how calm he is, and how apt at controlling the blue-line and preventing clears. He's fantastic at either being able to swat a puck back out, or knock it to the ice and walk it out of danger. It's great to watch. On the other side of the ledger, I've been thoroughly unimpressed by his play in his own zone. Again, when he can get a stick on the puck, he's golden. The pucks up and out. But, watching forwards walk around him is painfull. Did he play more than a minute in the 3rd period last night? I started to think he was injured! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I was pretty frustrated when I saw this trade, but have let those emotions slide to try and give him a fair shot. So far, his offensive play has been incredible. The passes are a thing of beauty. What impresses me even more though is how calm he is, and how apt at controlling the blue-line and preventing clears. He's fantastic at either being able to swat a puck back out, or knock it to the ice and walk it out of danger. It's great to watch. On the other side of the ledger, I've been thoroughly unimpressed by his play in his own zone. Again, when he can get a stick on the puck, he's golden. The pucks up and out. But, watching forwards walk around him is painfull. Did he play more than a minute in the 3rd period last night? I started to think he was injured! I noticed how well he handles pressure as well. When he's maintaining control of the puck he's especially calm. I love his ability to handle the blueline in the offensive zone while working a PP. Some of our players are so bad under pressure on the PP. He's definitely got good composure when in those situations. He also seems to make quality passes along the blueline. Something that Subban, or Weber, or Diaz get me very nervous about sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I dont get why people hated this trade, we traded an aging bottom pairing defenseman who is not the greatest on special teams for a decent 2nd pairing PP man. Term is an issue but if hes that bad we have Beaulieau Tinordi and others in the links as well as possible UFAs. We can bury him in the final year its not as bad as burying 7 million for the next 3. Just think people, Im sure the rangers would gladly have given us Redden for Spacho man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepingminotaur Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 He's not a PP specialist. People keep saying he is and I don't think it's true. He's a legit top-four guy, you don't have to hide him at even strength. He's made some positional errors the past two games, but he is only two games into playing with his new team and is also coming off a grueling Cup-winning season that kept him playing into June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSD Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 He's not a PP specialist. People keep saying he is and I don't think it's true. He's a legit top-four guy, you don't have to hide him at even strength. He's made some positional errors the past two games, but he is only two games into playing with his new team and is also coming off a grueling Cup-winning season that kept him playing into June. Add that to the fact that this is the fourth system he's learning in less than a year. It is going to take some time for him to get a hold of it. Anyway, he was just a scapegoat for Carolina's garbage season so far. He's clearly not the sole reason why they've been losing games. People saw this trade, immediately went to the standings and listened to the media like they are Gods of it all. Spacek was hated around here from the day we signed him to the Habs, all people wanted to do was trade him. The noise that was made when we moved Spacek was amazing. Lol. What annoys me about how the media, and people who believe it, reacted to this trade is that most of those in the media are ex-gms, coaches and players who couldn't get on a team if they paid their own salaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwdemonwolf Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Kaberle may excel in the PP but he is not only a PP specialist. He has played about 25 minutes a night for basically entire his career, save for his stints in Boston and Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 He's not a PP specialist. People keep saying he is and I don't think it's true. He's a legit top-four guy, you don't have to hide him at even strength. He's made some positional errors the past two games, but he is only two games into playing with his new team and is also coming off a grueling Cup-winning season that kept him playing into June. Martin has been hiding him at even strength so far as the only players the last two games with lower even strength time are the 4th liners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepingminotaur Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Martin has been hiding him at even strength so far as the only players the last two games with lower even strength time are the 4th liners. He's new to the team, his minutes at even strength reflect that, and our biggest need at the moment is to revitalize our PP. So obviously he's not playing a lot at even strength. But I don't expect that to last. Jacques will start feeding him more minutes as he gets more comfortable in our system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Not all Kaberle's passes were great. There was a PP where Subban was waiting for a one-timer and 2-3 passes in a row were too far in front of him to get it off. I'll chalk that up to new partners playing together, but yes, the PP has looked a hundred times better, it's scored in consecutive games (that we essentially won by 1 goal each), and we're 2-0 with Kaberle. So far, so good. That's because Kaberle passed the puck to a spot where Subban should have been. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 That's because Kaberle passed the puck to a spot where Subban should have been. :lol: Not sure if you're joking or not, but to clarify... Subban was a right-handed player playing on the left side of the ice on this sequence. The passes were heading to Subban's left. If you expected Subban to step into those, he would have either had to take the pass on his back-hand or else be wheeling back as he tried to one-time the pass forward. The chemistry between Subban and Kaberle will come, but this is another reason why I'd like to see the two paired at even strength as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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