RSD Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 assistant GM to become assistant coach Oh Boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Luc Gelinas is already complaining that Gauthier hired a non-French speaking coach, even as interim. Really? Can we please stop with "the coach must speak French" crap that's mentioned everytime we're close to firing/hiring a new coach? And it begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 assistant GM to become assistant coach Oh Boy. Well, I suppose someone has to take over the position in the short-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmarcello Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 HIO media. Media: "Direct question! Anyone in this room want him fired?" Hal Gill: "Not that I know of." What a dumb question to ask. What were they expecting Hal Gill to start naming names. "Oh yeah, Kostitysn especially so!" I wish they would have a little more respect than to try getting players to say they wanted him gone. Might have been more to try and get a reaction. Obviously the answer is standard, but sometimes the off-the-cuff reaction can say more than the actual words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Well, let's hope we get the short-term boost that firing a head coach brings. I'm meh about this. I'm not a Martin fanatic, but it seems to be that he did the best with what he had, but what he had -- when factoring in injuries, bad contracts, and the awful D -- wasn't very much. This. Frankly, Im more surprised than upset or happy. It just seems so out of the blue. I know we have some players underacheiving & there's no question many would have played things differently than Jacques, but does anyone honestly think we would be in a better position with another coach at the helm all year? At least still being in a playoff spot, after the decimating injuries & the poor showing from our "top 3 smurfs" this year is pretty amazing in my books. What irks me about this firing is that once again, our ultimate goal seems to be just making the playoffs. What would be terrible about missing the playoffs for a year, if it allowed us to draft high and reload for a deep playoff run in a year or two? Also agree. Guess we'll wait & see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob616 Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Whatever. Martin was a good coach, but it's not like we're going to win the cup now that he's gone. As weep said, hopefully we'll get the short term boost from firing him, but otherwise it seems to be a wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAMEITONPKSUBBAN Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Good. We can now find a more effective coach who employs the crutch known as the neutral zone trap after the end of the season(Carlyle's gooning it up is remarkably attractive). I'm rejoicing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzzsaba Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 I had a feeling that Jacques Martin's turn was next with the recent firings even though i think he was doing better than the rest. In all fairness to Randy C, he did do pretty well last year with the bulldogs taking them to the western finals. I think he will fit pretty well. And what does it matter if he speaks french as long as he gets the job done. Looks like the next on the firing list would probably be Ron Wilson for the leafs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 This one killed me ... We all know it's going to be French... great he can become the new headcoach he already mets some of the criteria Former Player Speaks French No experience at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyez Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 As Hab's head coach JM went 96 wins - 75 losses - 25 OT losses (so 96 - 100) thats not that great. As head coach of a loaded Sens team he got nowhere near a cup. As GM of Florida nothing happened & they blew chunks (funny how a few after he leaves Florida is now doing MUCH better) JM had Cole stapled to the bench because he didn't score on the PP (for the canes LOL) we are seening how smart that was now that Cole has been unleashed. Shoot out after shoot out DD is our #1 shooter ? (really?) AK , Patches , Plecks , Cole , Cammy on the bench because they are cold? (ever hear of pratice makes perfect).. oh wait I forgot about the story i read about JM having a soft spot for DD .... LOL A coach does NOT motivate the star players by benching them & using players that will never be in the same league skill wise. This move is 100% fine by me... I see the story on the main site now showing Randy "involved" with a ref , perhaps he will motivate the players by actually looking as if he "cares".... ( what we didn't see was JM (poker faced) & writing in his note book ... "fired , seek new job, location not important , job title not important ,salary not important , getting hired not important) .. still I hope he manages to do ok where ever he goes... just NOT here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Just heard the news. First reaction,,,,,,,,,not surprised. I'm not sure how Randy will do behind the bench but hopefully his player management is better then what JM has shown. We need for our vets to be more accountable for their ice time. No more free passes based on your salary and years in the League. First order of business,,,can he wake up Cammy??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 ,can he wake up Cammy??? of course he can. Martin's gone. I'ts the land of milk and honey now! Cammi will win the Maurice Richard award now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepingminotaur Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 For the most part I agree, but I do believe that coaches do play some part in motivation. I don't expect a coach to be in there giving pep talks and big speeches, but I do believe player motivation is somewhat tied to the decisions a coach makes. If players are on the same page as their coach, it's easy to be motivated. If players are left befuddled or are constantly second-guessing decisions made by the coach, then motivation can become a problem. I'm not saying this was completely the case in Montreal, but I'm not giving the coach a free pass in this area. Thing is, you can tell when a team has quit on a coach. The team hadn't quit on Martin, unless you count rallying three times from one-goal deficits against the Flyers to be quitting on a coach. They execute his system well, the talent is just lacking outside of a few key pieces like Price, Plekanec, Markov (obvs when healthy), and Subban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 We need for our vets to be more accountable for their ice time. No more free passes based on your salary and years in the League. This is one positive. I liked a lot of what Jacques brought to the table, but I hated how a player like Gomez could take bad penalty after bad penalty & not be on the scoresheet for games at a time but still get solid ice time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Thing is, you can tell when a team has quit on a coach. The team hadn't quit on Martin, unless you count rallying three times from one-goal deficits against the Flyers to be quitting on a coach. They execute his system well, the talent is just lacking outside of a few key pieces like Price, Plekanec, Markov (obvs when healthy), and Subban. One of my biggest concerns now is what new system (if any) do we adopt. Like yourself Weep,,,i believed our team did well with JM's system as far as the talent we actually have on this team. It goes without saying that injuries have been crippling for us the past couple years,, yet Martin always seemed to squeeze orange juice out of apples. I had problems with some of his line combinations and player management with regards to delegating ice time, but overall,,,,he brought some stability in his reign as Coach after several years of aimless strategy. Hope Randy can build on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 When Jacques Martin was hired, I was a little skeptical that he was the right choice. And all in all, I was not happy with the job he did the first year to year and a half he was here. We were frequently outshot and outplayed and we squeaked by because our goalies played incredibly well. I was not pleased with the way JM managed some of the younger players (OB, Lapierre, Pouliot, etc.) and I thought he made a number of recurrent mistakes in the way he used players like Spacek, Hamrlik, Gomez, and especially Moen. If anything, I thought the job he was doing this year was much better. We were outplaying our opponents in the majority of games, even when we lost. And a large part of why we are where we are is because a lack of execution on the part of our scorers, particularly on the PP. To echo what some others have said, I don't think changing the coach is going to fix the big issues with this squad. It's simply that guys like Cammalleri, Gionta, Gomez, even Plekanec need to bring more to the ice. On the other side of the equation, I am pleased to see Cunneyworth get a chance. He's a guy who's had success at other levels and who's paid his dues in the minors. I think he's actually a better choice than Muller, who I don't think is ready to coach in the NHL yet. Obviously, Carolina felt differently and maybe he'll have success, but they'll have to be patient with him. I'm extremely disappointed in the media (like Luc Gelinas) for expressing their discontent with having an anglophone coach. It's unacceptable to me to refuse someone a job that doesn't require speaking french on the basis of language alone. In fact, I think it borders on prejudice and it's an antiquated notion that can only hold us back. I'm glad to see Molson and PG had the balls to put a guy in place that they believe in, regardless of language. What will determine how much success Cunneyworth has is whether he can get more out of the supposed snipers. I have a feeling that if he gets us into the playoffs that he'll be retained as the head coach going forward, and I'd be okay with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BennyBlanco Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 i really doubt fire Martin will change anything. i am French and i welcome an English speaking coach i don't care we just want to win games ..in any language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony5775 Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 There "seemed" to be a total lack of urgency in everything that Jacques did. I believe this is what got Pearn let go and that did nothing to light a fire under him, so he went as well. We need some emotion behind the bench. Every veteran has been guilty of making bad plays this year that helped us lose games. They need to be held accountable. Patrick Roy might not be the right choice, but someone with a that attitude is needed to get this team playing they way they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caperns Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 This should have come earlier in the season, but a good time none the less. Maybe we can get a coach who will allow the growth of some young kids.... He was never really was able to adapt well on teh fly and he hampered the growth of quite a few young players taht were in this organization... his system worked well and players like gomez, gionta played the system well that is why they got the icetime....younger players he never really associated well with older player were held less accountable ... its time ti give icetime to a young kid if he is having a good game and sit the veteran if there struggling do not continue to try to put a square peg in a round hold just because its your system. even having said this --- its just as much on the talent we have here as it is on jm as a coach....i would just like to see more forgiveness for the young players, more accountability for the older players, more adapting on teh fly and a far more up tempo game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepingminotaur Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Every three years, we turf a coach and delude ourselves into thinking that someone else will be able to transform a mediocre team into a Cup winner. #notlearningfromhistory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habby67 Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Only in Montreal. Will Gauthier make the right choice this time? I seriously doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepingminotaur Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Of course, now that I want the team to tank, they'll put together a short winning streak, finishing 8th or 9th, so we can draft another third-line center (LeblancRedux) and keep telling ourselves that if we just make the playoffs, anything can happen!1!1!1! (#noitwont) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkheart Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 As Hab's head coach JM went 96 wins - 75 losses - 25 OT losses (so 96 - 100) thats not that great. As head coach of a loaded Sens team he got nowhere near a cup. As GM of Florida nothing happened & they blew chunks (funny how a few after he leaves Florida is now doing MUCH better) JM had Cole stapled to the bench because he didn't score on the PP (for the canes LOL) we are seening how smart that was now that Cole has been unleashed. Shoot out after shoot out DD is our #1 shooter ? (really?) AK , Patches , Plecks , Cole , Cammy on the bench because they are cold? (ever hear of pratice makes perfect).. oh wait I forgot about the story i read about JM having a soft spot for DD .... LOL A coach does NOT motivate the star players by benching them & using players that will never be in the same league skill wise. This move is 100% fine by me... I see the story on the main site now showing Randy "involved" with a ref , perhaps he will motivate the players by actually looking as if he "cares".... ( what we didn't see was JM (poker faced) & writing in his note book ... "fired , seek new job, location not important , job title not important ,salary not important , getting hired not important) .. still I hope he manages to do ok where ever he goes... just NOT here. + 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Of course, now that I want the team to tank, they'll put together a short winning streak, finishing 8th or 9th, so we can draft another third-line center (LeblancRedux) and keep telling ourselves that if we just make the playoffs, anything can happen!1!1!1! (#noitwont) I was going to say after your previous post that this is probably what will happen. This is the direction we were headed in anyway IMO (making the playoffs). I'm not overly upset or happy about the firing either way. I feel bad for Jacques (I've made my opinions pretty clear on him over the past 2 years), but at the same time it will at least be interesting if nothing else to see what changes, if any, occur. In the same vein a new coach isn't going to magically make us an elite team, it isn't going to magically plummet us to last place either IMO. Randy, like Jacques, is a good coach so I'm expecting a similar performance. I'm actually expecting us to climb the standings a bit since we had some hard luck earlier in the season and we should have some players returning from injury soon. I think this would have happened with Jacques too, but whatever. I'm actually most intrigued by the fact we're finally taking a stand and letting a non-French head coach run the show. For that reason, I'm pulling for Randy to have success because it could go a long way in the long-term to abolish this idiotic and archaic policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine1One Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 I thought jacques was doing a fine job, he had his shortcommings like all coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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