Bobineau Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 I'm wondering what people think about this because finishing a low as possible for a high draft pick has never been done by the Habs. I'd like to see this happen because we NEVER get high draft picks and I think it's time to rebuild this team the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Trade off what we can for NHL ready prospects/young players and draft picks. Get us a good draft pick, and rebuild from within. Train our draft picks, take those prospects and young players and despite the fact that they were drafted and developed else-where, have them develop in our system to become a Hab. Id try to get players like Pietrangelo or Sbisa for defense, on offense id be looking at Blake Geoffrion. we probably wont get any of those guys though, so id try to move Gill Campoli Weber Cammy and Gionta for picks/prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydrostatic Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 At this point in time, given our standing and the direction we seem to be going in them, I think it's minor rebuild time. At the trade deadline, we should be sellers, not buyers. The last thing I want to see is the team battle furiously and make bad patch-up trades to try and make the playoffs and wind up in 9th or 10th. That would simply be infuriating. We should identify our core and move forward with them. Price is obviously the star here, and honestly is my only true untouchable. Subban I wouldn't trade unless a no-miss deal came about, I feel like some team might just offer something insane to get him and I think we should listen. The Gorges signing clearly indicates he's in our long term plans. Guys like Patches, Eller and Desharnais are starting to show us what they have and I'd keep them around. Same for Diaz and Emelin. Pleks and Cole are still of good value to us. I'd try to flip one or two of Gomez, Cammy, Kostitsyn, Gio or Kabs by the trade deadline for picks and prospects to free up space. Weber and Campoli should also be traded off for as much as possible. I really hope the team gets a top-five draft pick this year, and would love to see us trade and get a second mid-level first round pick to compliment this. Build the team with our youngsters and prospects, and hopefully we won't be running wild at free agency like in 2009, but will do more like last year and just sign a good solid piece (Cole) to compliment the team and fill the real need. Start the 2012 season fresh and see if we need more years of rebuild. My impression is we won't. The team just needs to be fine tuned, not overhauled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkheart Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Going to have to go via the draft , Major Free agents don't want to sign here , and watching the latest dramma around this team , and the silly language issues , I'm Embarrassed to be a Habs fan right now , and I have been for almost 50 years. It is one of the saddest times I can remember in all the years , not for the play of team but for the ugly politics being played with mt Beloved Canadiens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Major Free agents don't want to sign here , and watching the latest dramma around this team , and the silly language issues , This is why Biron,Briere stays clear....among others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MkGee Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 the way i see it... if your over thirty trade em for sure.. i would trade pleky for a bigger tougher center, cole i would trade to vancouver for burrows to bring in some quebcois, and i like burrows. As for the others i wouldn't really care as long as we got good BIG prospects in return. Make some smart draft picks and sign a big name ufa ie suter parise, and withint two years you could be a team like chicago or pitsburgh when they won the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 12-3 in favor of bottoming out! Given the team's predicament I think dealing away some assets in favor of draft picks/prospects is the way to go right now. I don't think the team is in such bad shape that we need a full Bob Gainey style "five year plan," but we could use a good pick in the next few drafts, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Habs10 Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Given the team's predicament I think dealing away some assets in favor of draft picks/prospects is the way to go right now. See my recent post in "THE STATE OF THE HABS". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Even if we battle for a PO spot and get say 7th or 8th,,,,,we will be gone in the 1st RD., and have a lousy draft pick. I would rather go with young draft picks who want to win and give their all every game. AND PICK BIGGER GUYS THIS TIME. This "We will pick the best player available" stuff isn't working and hasn't worked for a long time. Pick the "best player available" at the position you will need to fill in 2-3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canine64 Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Going to have to go via the draft , Major Free agents don't want to sign here , and watching the latest dramma around this team , and the silly language issues , I'm Embarrassed to be a Habs fan right now , and I have been for almost 50 years. It is one of the saddest times I can remember in all the years , not for the play of team but for the ugly politics being played with mt Beloved Canadiens I am right there with you. So frustrated and disappointed by the play of the team and the general ineptitude of management. Read a quote recently that the 3 worst managed teams in all of professional sports are: the Pittsburgh Pirates, the Cleveland Indians, and the Canadiens. Sad. Very sad..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habby67 Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 This team has too many needs, too many deficiencies, too many problems and not a long term direction/system in place. Blow it to smithereens.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 12-3 in favor of bottoming out! Given the team's predicament I think dealing away some assets in favor of draft picks/prospects is the way to go right now. I don't think the team is in such bad shape that we need a full Bob Gainey style "five year plan," but we could use a good pick in the next few drafts, IMO. Maybe not a five year plan but it's going to take some time since there's nothing in Hamilton. So there's going to be a 2-3 year gap with no real prospects being ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habby67 Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 They simply need to draft bigger. Everyone knows it but it seems that management are dead set against it. I cannot fathom why as it seems that they simply cannot compete with what they have. I do not doubt that the players we have are talented however I do see the need for bigger players to create room for these smaller and faster players to do what they do best. It is very disheartening watching this team repeatedly fail..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Maybe not a five year plan but it's going to take some time since there's nothing in Hamilton. So there's going to be a 2-3 year gap with no real prospects being ready. I could live with either/or really. As long as the direction in indicated by team management and the goal is there. I don't mind being bad. Especially so if it's the route we have to take to being good. Clearly our foray into the world of free agent signings to build a team didn't work. We might as well attempt to make something through the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddienmike Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 So you guys want to give up,well let me tell you about trading,if you want something good you have to give up something good,and there is no way any one will give us anything for Gomez Gio Cammy Campoli maybe something for Webber because of his versitilty,so what are you going to do trade away our good guys,then we are left with the above and maybe our new guys will be alright then again maybe not. We have some good youngsters coming up,there are five in the junior tournament now,so where the talk that we have no youngsters come's from I don't know. Blowing up did not work for us last time,will it this time,I don't think so.Okay it worked for the Flies but they had good players to trade,we don't. There is no easy solution,we have no assets that I am prepared to lose,and it is beyond me to think of tanking although that maybe out of our hands. I say we keep fighting to the bitter end at least it builds character,I could never respect anybody who just gave up. GO HABS GO :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 So you guys want to give up,well let me tell you about trading,if you want something good you have to give up something good,and there is no way any one will give us anything for Gomez Gio Cammy Campoli maybe something for Webber I will respectfully disagree with this blanket statement (Gomez being the exception - after his horrible 2010-11, and his injuries this season, i dont think anyone is giving us anything for gomez). However, "value" on Gio, Cammy etc is all debatable. There will be teams out there looking for a boost that a proven playoff goal scorer (Gio/Cammy) could provide & they would most definitely give up picks or prospects to do so. Depending upon the team, their desires for the postseason & their own financial obligations, they may very well be interested in guys like that. Further, players like Campoli, Weber, Gill, AK and etc will all be of interest to teams. However, I am not advocating a fire-sale. If i were GM, I would start taking as many calls as I could for players who I deem not to be part of "the core" - assuming that would not trade all of them away. By the trade deadline I would have my entire core (Price, Subban, Eller, Patches, etc) and I would expect to have at least a few of my veterans left. I would also have a few promising prospects and some decent 1st and 2nd round picks. Based on this now-depleated team, most likely we would end up in a lottery position - hopefully a top 3 or top 5 pick. Selective trading & strong drafting and we could be a competitive team in 1-2 years. I think if we remain with the status quo & find band-aid solutions, we will be squeaking into the playoffs for years to come with no real payoff at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIASUN Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 What I think is funny about this poll is that, It's worded as if the second option is viable. The Habs are not good enough to battle back and make the playoffs and don't have enough room under the cap/tradeable assets to immediately improve. The only way this team makes the playoffs is as THIS TEAM, performing a miracle. Our only option is to ride out these players, let the young guys earn their ice and put the word out that our veterans are available to anyone offering young assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CATATAFISH Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 I will respectfully disagree with this blanket statement (Gomez being the exception - after his horrible 2010-11, and his injuries this season, i dont think anyone is giving us anything for gomez). However, "value" on Gio, Cammy etc is all debatable. There will be teams out there looking for a boost that a proven playoff goal scorer (Gio/Cammy) could provide & they would most definitely give up picks or prospects to do so. Depending upon the team, their desires for the postseason & their own financial obligations, they may very well be interested in guys like that. Further, players like Campoli, Weber, Gill, AK and etc will all be of interest to teams. However, I am not advocating a fire-sale. If i were GM, I would start taking as many calls as I could for players who I deem not to be part of "the core" - assuming that would not trade all of them away. By the trade deadline I would have my entire core (Price, Subban, Eller, Patches, etc) and I would expect to have at least a few of my veterans left. I would also have a few promising prospects and some decent 1st and 2nd round picks. Based on this now-depleated team, most likely we would end up in a lottery position - hopefully a top 3 or top 5 pick. Selective trading & strong drafting and we could be a competitive team in 1-2 years. I think if we remain with the status quo & find band-aid solutions, we will be squeaking into the playoffs for years to come with no real payoff at the end. I agree, in fact I don't think there is any way to debate this. If you can get A 1st round pick and Josh Georges for an old man like Rivet than we should be able to get something pretty nice for a playoff performer like Cammy. Cammy was at the top of the playoff point charts while he has played here. Imagine what he could do on a team that is built for the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CATATAFISH Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 i am disturbingly comfortable with the idea of tanking and picking up a couple spare 1st rounders and/or prospects while we are at it. we couldn't pick a better draft to do it. usually I would be so insulted at the concept of tanking but I don't know, I'm just kind of numb to the idea now. Plus I believe that we are already too far out of the race to come back. There are teams out there who could come back from our position. But not this team, not with this roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob616 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Isee Price, Pacioretty, Eller, Subban, Leblanc, as our core going forward. I see gill, Campoli, Weber, Cammalleri, AK, Gorges (if the price is right), Gionta, Gomez, Nokkelainen, even Cole as expendable. I see Kaberle, Diaz, Markov as keepers because their value won't be high right now (Markov/Diaz) and in Kaberle's case I think he has a place on the team in the long run. Same for Pleks, I don't think it's worth trading him, Plekanec at 5M is one of the best contracts in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concreteveins Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 This deadline is the opportunity for the team to become a contender. A select few should be traded for whatever can be obtained. The vets to be kept are Cole, Gionta and Plekanec that's it. Good obtainable picks and young roster players can be obtained with the assets the habs have now. Every team that has won a stanley cup in the last 5 years has done it with two top 15 picks in the same or consecutive draft years. Anahiem - Perry and Getzlaf. CHI - Kane and Toews. PIT - Crosby and Malkin. Boston - Seguin and Krecji. It's pretty obvious what the trend is to win. Montreal can do that this year if PG plays his cards right. Cammy to the islanders for a young forward like Josh Bailey and a 1st rounder I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mando Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Hate to say but I think it's time to officially start the rebuild - dump what you can while they still have some value - as well as get rid of the poison's in the dressing room/ ice such as Subban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endo519 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 I had started a vote to rebuild or not thread earlier in the season, about 20 games in I think. My vote was to re-build then and it def has not changed . I wanted a proper re-build before Gainey had a free for all and signed anyone that owned a hockey stick. I had been saying re-build for years now and am quite surprised most habs fans did not see this coming. Give your head a shake. I want habs to tank and start drafting some good players. I would like to see a team look something Like this in 2-3 years (please the positions or lines are not as important here as some are wrong) Cole-plekank-(Yakopov, Grigorenko, Forsberg, etc.) Kostistyn- Big center (free agent or trade) - Pacioretty eller-Leblanc-Kristo (or free agent that has size) ghallager -White - ? (big strong energy forward) Markov-Seah webber (trade picks that we could aquire at dealine for camm, Gionta could possibly fetch late first round picks for each) Subban-Emmelin Beaulieu-Tinordi Diaz price, (and who ever to backup) *we would have lots of cap to sign a big strong proven Center for the second line if we get rid of Gomez, Camm, Gio, Kaberle. Also markov could be traded or replaced if need be. Anyway something along these lines. let me know what you think. Please keep in mind the draft picks we could aquire for giving up Camm, Gio, Dasharnai, Moen etc. etc. Plus our own First round picks if we sucked for 2-3 years would be very valuable. I think come playoff time Any team could use the services of a proven leader like Gio, and proven playoff performer like Camm. Dash and Moen could fetch us some decent picks maybe 3rd or 4th but these things could be used in trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob2h Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 I say do a quick re tooling.I also want to see how we play with a full roster. There are some good pieces here for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CATATAFISH Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Isee Price, Pacioretty, Eller, Subban, Leblanc, as our core going forward. I see gill, Campoli, Weber, Cammalleri, AK, Gorges (if the price is right), Gionta, Gomez, Nokkelainen, even Cole as expendable. I see Kaberle, Diaz, Markov as keepers because their value won't be high right now (Markov/Diaz) and in Kaberle's case I think he has a place on the team in the long run. Same for Pleks, I don't think it's worth trading him, Plekanec at 5M is one of the best contracts in the NHL. I don't get it. What did Cole do to get on this list? The only thing that Cole is doing is keeping Montreal from drafting first over all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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