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wow....hot topic :rolleyes:

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Ummmm...

I think i've already explained my opinion on the instigator penalty. Feel free to go back and reread it, because i simply pointed out that a player needs to pick his spots.

On another note,,,without putting on my moderator hat, you need to tread carefully with comments like this. "Would you still moan and complain?"

That type of comment can be taken in a number of ways and is why we discourage members from getting personal. It could be interpreted as calling a member a moaner and complainer which is a personal attack. You may not have intended to imply so but,, it certainly comes across that way. Try using terms like "Would you still feel that way" instead. See the difference? ;)

You see, I did not say a player would cost us a game. You made a reference to it. All I asked is WHY do people think a "fighter" would cost us a game. There is a difference ;)

As for the 2nd part of the discussion. Noted. :)

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Slight difference comparing a 4 to 6 minute a game player with only a single agenda, to a player playing 2 to 3 times that amount with a different role

I don't recall arguing that point.

No difference. How can you say that. A player who gets a "bad" penalty and costs us a game should not be based on who the player is, or how much time he plays. You can't let one guy slide while another gets punished, otherwise others in the locker room will take notice.

As for the penalty itself, in alot of instances an instigator penalty can be justified just like a trip or hook. It all depends on the situation at hand.

is he our captain yet?

He should be. At the very least he showed he'll play with his heart on his sleeve, unlike alot of the current players. :P

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2 years at 900k IS a premium to be paying for a guy that can play 4 to 5 minutes a night, and fight. IF we were to sign him to a 2 year deal, it would likely be for league minimum. I suspect he would take that just for the security.

We have players down in Hamilton who could takeover that role. Schultz and Conboy will be ready next season. However I would have no problem with re-signing Staubitz as he could add some veteran presence.

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I would have no problem with re-signing Staubitz as he could add some veteran presence.

Buddy at work said he's curious if maybe Brad's gonna replace White....(is this PG's idea down the road)......I'm not sure I like that idea...I like whitey

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Buddy at work said he's curious if maybe Brad's gonna replace White....(is this PG's idea down the road)......I'm not sure I like that idea...I like whitey

Same here, White brings more to the table than just fighting. Don't get me wrong I love what Brad did last night but if we resign him it should be for league minimum.

We should keep one of these guys on hand so that every time we play a team with a cheap shot artist eg. Malone, Marchand etc he'll be in the lineup to take care of business. I'm so tired of this team looking weak and soft. Remember the days of Nilan. Odie and Ewan? I loved those guys just as much as the Lafleur's Roy's and Robinson. These type of players still have a role in the game even if their hands are tied by that damned instigator rule. Yes they are a dime a dozen but we should still have one regardless.

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, White brings more to the table than just fighting.

I like his energy for sure.

Sorry for going off topic here.

Remember the days of Nilan. Odie and Ewan? I loved those guys just as much as the Lafleur's Roy's and Robinson.

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Buddy at work said he's curious if maybe Brad's gonna replace White....(is this PG's idea down the road)......I'm not sure I like that idea...I like whitey

I would think Staubitz might replace Moen. I don't see White going anywhere, and I would expect Schultz to also get a shot with the team next year over Blunden and or if Darche is vanished.

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I would think Staubitz might replace Moen.

hummm....interesting thought ;)

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I would think Staubitz might replace Moen. I don't see White going anywhere, and I would expect Schultz to also get a shot with the team next year over Blunden and or if Darche is vanished.

I'm not the biggest believer in paying out for Moen, but he's a very different (and more valuable) player than Staubitz. Moen is a defensive specialist, not a fighter, whereas Staubitz is really more suited for a pugilistic role. These are both 4th-line players, but they fill different needs. I would see Darche, Blunden, or possibly White as being more suitable to try and groom into Moen's job.

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The homepage of this website has a nice article on Staubitz and how he intervened to help Emelin.

I'm not the biggest believer in paying out for Moen, but he's a very different (and more valuable) player than Staubitz. Moen is a defensive specialist, not a fighter, whereas Staubitz is really more suited for a pugilistic role. These are both 4th-line players, but they fill different needs. I would see Darche, Blunden, or possibly White as being more suitable to try and groom into Moen's job.

Hard to see Staubitz replacing Moen -- Moen is an different player. Secondary scoring, PK and shutdown skills, etc.

He could replace White as he's just a better version of White, but who knows.

Fundamentally, if this team is going for a rebuild it will need multiple enforcers.

Randy Cunneyworth had the following to say:

The players weren’t the only ones impressed by the newcomer’s willingness to get his hands dirty.

“Nobody will admit it openly, but I think it makes a team more cohesive,” admitted head coach Randy Cunneyworth, who was known for his gritty style as an NHL player. “When you’ve got that element and players can back up certain actions on the ice, the other team knows it. Players of that nature can even out things or not allow things of that nature to go on.

“I think it makes everybody a little more physical and a little bit braver to some extent,” he added. “Nobody will admit that, but I think I’m allowed to. I think that’s the element we’re trying to create. But it’s more about team toughness. It has to be everybody. I like it when a skilled guy plays a more physical game. If he can be effective at doing it in a legal way, that’s exciting hockey.”

While Cunneyworth still hasn’t had a chance to sit down with the new winger and lay out a specific job description just yet, it seems like Staubitz is already up to speed with what his coach – and teammates – are expecting to see from him.

“I think it’s pretty straightforward for me,” he shared. “Come in, play hard and compete.”

http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=619764&navid=DL|MTL|home

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And when is it that we play the goons again? B)

Not sure....but we play the goofs Saturday night.;)

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I'm not the biggest believer in paying out for Moen, but he's a very different (and more valuable) player than Staubitz. Moen is a defensive specialist, not a fighter, whereas Staubitz is really more suited for a pugilistic role. These are both 4th-line players, but they fill different needs. I would see Darche, Blunden, or possibly White as being more suitable to try and groom into Moen's job.

Do you honestly think Darche will be back next year? Even if we get the first draft pick and unless PG makes a splash for some free agents I can see the Habs giving some of the younger guys a shot.

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Because management chose not to get that type of player in the past. The BGL experiment was a failure.

I wonder why this is the case. Do you think that Montreal at the time thought they were going to try and rebuild in the same mold as Detroit? And then they would have the same respect from the refs and other teams that Detroit enjoys?

If that's the case then I wish the Habs could have realized the error of there ways long ago. The only thing a team will be without fighters(not fighter, fighters)is an easy TARGET!

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I wonder why this is the case. Do you think that Montreal at the time thought they were going to try and rebuild in the same mold as Detroit? And then they would have the same respect from the refs and other teams that Detroit enjoys?

If that's the case then I wish the Habs could have realized the error of there ways long ago. The only thing a team will be without fighters(not fighter, fighters)is an easy TARGET!

No idea Cata. They misjudged the importance of team toughness for whatever reason. There has to be a balance somewhere in there and they simply missed the mark i guess.

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Do you honestly think Darche will be back next year? Even if we get the first draft pick and unless PG makes a splash for some free agents I can see the Habs giving some of the younger guys a shot.

Maybe, but I might have thought that about this season too, and he's still here. I believe the fact that he's a hometown boy gives the team some added incentive to bring him back, rightly or wrongly. But as you said, there should be healthy competition for 4th line duties next season... White, Darche, Staubitz, Engqvist, Nattinen, Dumont, Schultz, Blunden, Moen, Geoffrion, etc. could all be guys who have a shot at a spot there. That's why it's going to be so important for guys like Staubitz and Geoffrion to make the most of the chance they're getting now to get a leg up on some of the guys who are injured or in the minors.

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They misjudged the importance of team toughness for whatever reason.

BG & his crew back when figured small,skilled speedy players was the need.<_<

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No idea Cata. They misjudged the importance of team toughness for whatever reason. There has to be a balance somewhere in there and they simply missed the mark i guess.

Yup, but successful teams have tough guys who can also play hockey. Boston, Vancouver, Philadelphia, San Jose, etc... all teams that have toughness and skill in the same players. It doesn't do much if all you have are guys who play 6 minutes a game and no one will fight them.

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BG & his crew back when figured small,skilled speedy players was the need.<_<

I'm glad they're trying to do an about face on that philosophy. I like the skilled players like DD but we also need bigger, tougher AND skilled players in the mold of Patches and Cole. Having a team of smurfs hasn't gotten us anywhere for the last 19 years.

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