ramcharger440 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 i have liked what i have seen from him the last few games he has really put the effort in.i would like to see him center cole and patches for a bit just to see what would happen. they are not super fancy players but it would be a fairly big line sizewize it would be tough for dd and mix our lines a bit but i have a feeling it could work. and he has worked his but off, it would be a just reward. at least for a trial of a period or two. if it doeas not work we switch back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 I agree 440. he's really putting in the effort. He doesn't want to be scratched again, his hustle is very evident. One of our better players over the past few games. 5 points in 11 games, is respectable for a 3rd liner. And with gally playing 3rd line centre, he's had time on the 4th line as well. Only Patches and PK have more points with less games played. Cole and DD have played all 13 games in our top 6 with a good amount of icetime. Eller with reduced minutes on the lower lines and less games played has the same amount of points as DD and one more than cole. I don't think his effort has gone unnoticed by the coaching staff. With the effort he's been putting forth, I wonder if pairing him with Cole would spark his game. He's definitely earned more icetime with his play as of late. Don't want to split up the Pleks line since they've done well so far. We need to split up DD and Cole, just isn't working. Swap Eller with DD and see what gives. It isn't working with DD, so why not give Eller more icetime and reduce DD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 it is worth a shot you never know what might work sometimes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleky14-mtl Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 I agree 440. he's really putting in the effort. He doesn't want to be scratched again, his hustle is very evident. One of our better players over the past few games. 5 points in 11 games, is respectable for a 3rd liner. And with gally playing 3rd line centre, he's had time on the 4th line as well. Only Patches and PK have more points with less games played. Cole and DD have played all 13 games in our top 6 with a good amount of icetime. Eller with reduced minutes on the lower lines and less games played has the same amount of points as DD and one more than cole. I don't think his effort has gone unnoticed by the coaching staff. With the effort he's been putting forth, I wonder if pairing him with Cole would spark his game. He's definitely earned more icetime with his play as of late. Don't want to split up the Pleks line since they've done well so far. We need to split up DD and Cole, just isn't working. Swap Eller with DD and see what gives. It isn't working with DD, so why not give Eller more icetime and reduce DD's. 100% put Eller with Cole and Moen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 100% put Eller with Cole and Moen! Id still rather not have Moen in a top 6 capacity though. My ideal lines at this point would be: Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta Patches - Eller-Cole Prust - Gally A - Gally B Moen - DD- Armstrong Now, I know it seems crazy to put DD on the 4th line, but lets face it, your top 3 lines are ALL defensively capable of going head to head with the opposition's scoring lines. You dont really need a "checking" line so the DD/Moen/Armstrong line wouldnt have a specific assignment. The 2 wingers would protect DD, and the matches should be a bit simpler. It could even wakeup Armstrong a little, who i believe could still chip in some pucks at this stage of his career. It also lets us put Prust back on the Gally line - which I actually really like for now. Either way, I would like to see Eller get more than 4th line duties. More likely, if MT wants to change things up, we will see this: Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta Eller - DD-Cole Patches - Gally A - Gally B Moen - Prust- Armstrong Which I could live with also. If you agree with Weep and Roy (who believe Eller's vision makes him better suited to top 6 winger, than centre) then this wouldnt be a bad experiment either. Of course we could go really crazy and try: Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta Patches - Gally A -Cole Prust - Eller - Gally B Moen - DD - Armstrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 IMO, Eller appears to be a totally different player when he plays center as compared to playing wing. I'd love to see the Habs give him a shot between Patches and Cole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 IMO, Eller appears to be a totally different player when he plays center as compared to playing wing. I'd love to see the Habs give him a shot between Patches and Cole. This could be worth a try if Eller can learn to feed his wingers at the appropriate times. Both Pacioretty and Cole are what I would consider North/south wingers. Neither possesses great stick-handling abilities on their own and need a player who can feed them at speed to drive the net. Desharnais was doing that quite well last year and still has that ability (but lacks size). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 IMO, Eller appears to be a totally different player when he plays center as compared to playing wing. I'd love to see the Habs give him a shot between Patches and Cole. I dont disagree with this - but - I also "get" what both Roy and Weep are arguing: that he may have excellent 3rd line centre skills but his vision may limit his effectiveness as a #1 or #2 centre. If thats true, its possible that as a top 6 winger he can still be productive (points-wise) even if his passing doesnt translate to top 2 centre duties. Im not willing to agree with that 100% just yet because he's never been given a sustained chance there (centring one of the top 2 lines), but it is a possibility for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 IMO, Eller appears to be a totally different player when he plays center as compared to playing wing. I'd love to see the Habs give him a shot between Patches and Cole. I agree, I was really questioning his place in the NHL when JM had him on wing. Then he was put on the 3rd line at centre and we saw he was much more comfortable there. Even seemed to spark AK46's production for a while. It's been a few seasons since he's played wing (minus the odd shift/game), so may be worth a shot. By a shot, i mean more than a few shifts or game. Give him a series of games, a chance for him to get use to playing the wing. It seems odd in hockey when they skate all over the ice, that a player wouldn't feel comfortable sliding over to wing or playing on the opposite wing. But there is a bit of a transition, automatically when skating you have a tendency to slide over to your side. With a centre it's totally different, they have different responsibilities. So i hope they give him more than a game to see how he does on the wing. i feel he's a better centre than winger, but he does have a few years under his belt and he may be better this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I agree, I was really questioning his place in the NHL when JM had him on wing. Then he was put on the 3rd line at centre and we saw he was much more comfortable there. Even seemed to spark AK46's production for a while. It's been a few seasons since he's played wing (minus the odd shift/game), so may be worth a shot. By a shot, i mean more than a few shifts or game. Give him a series of games, a chance for him to get use to playing the wing. It seems odd in hockey when they skate all over the ice, that a player wouldn't feel comfortable sliding over to wing or playing on the opposite wing. But there is a bit of a transition, automatically when skating you have a tendency to slide over to your side. With a centre it's totally different, they have different responsibilities. So i hope they give him more than a game to see how he does on the wing. i feel he's a better centre than winger, but he does have a few years under his belt and he may be better this time around. Well it would be an adjustment and the first time they tried it, it wasn't great but I would argue that while Pacioretty was out (only a few games) Lars did look very good on the wing with Desharnais and Cole. In fact, that little mini stretch was the best that those 2 have looked this season. I think in theory Lars has a game better suited to the wing in some regards, great on the boards/down low, will go to the net, good hands, not a high end passer, not great in the circle. I'm not prepared to say it failed based on how he looked as a rookie, I'd like another sustained looked because I liked what I saw earlier. Plus Lars with DD and Cole allows Prust to play the 4th line with Moen, where he belongs and Pacioretty to play with the kids. Although I'd preface that by saying Therrien would need to do a better job at getting Pacio minutes. 11-13 minutes is WAY too low for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Well it would be an adjustment and the first time they tried it, it wasn't great but I would argue that while Pacioretty was out (only a few games) Lars did look very good on the wing with Desharnais and Cole. In fact, that little mini stretch was the best that those 2 have looked this season. I think in theory Lars has a game better suited to the wing in some regards, great on the boards/down low, will go to the net, good hands, not a high end passer, not great in the circle. I'm not prepared to say it failed based on how he looked as a rookie, I'd like another sustained looked because I liked what I saw earlier. Plus Lars with DD and Cole allows Prust to play the 4th line with Moen, where he belongs and Pacioretty to play with the kids. Although I'd preface that by saying Therrien would need to do a better job at getting Pacio minutes. 11-13 minutes is WAY too low for him. So Lars is possibly the better choice than Pacioretty with DD and Cole. I do believe Lars has better hands of the two... but Pacman has the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 So Lars is possibly the better choice than Pacioretty with DD and Cole. I do believe Lars has better hands of the two... but Pacman has the contract. Well Pacioretty is the better player and has the better future and I expect him to play more with PP factored but just for the sake of changing things up, I didn't mean it as a demotion for Pacio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbaker8787 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 It's really unfortunate that if this kid was born on Quebec he would have supplanted Deharnais' position already, but Daveys got one of those extendable leashes that just keeps going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 It's really unfortunate that if this kid was born on Quebec he would have supplanted Deharnais' position already, but Daveys got one of those extendable leashes that just keeps going Desharnais-Gallagher... small guys together??? Hopefully in-game things could be different for Lars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Desharnais-Gallagher... small guys together??? Hopefully in-game things could be different for Lars. DD with Gallagher could actually have success at first. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it works. But at the end of the day, small player combos rarely if ever work out long-term. Eller is a big guy with good potential and it's somewhat odd that in every set of line combinations Therrien's come up with, Eller ends up on the 4th line with non-scorers. In the one chance he did get to play with DD and Cole, he actually performed reasonably well but he somehow hasn't been able to supplant a handful of players playing markedly worse than him. It'd be nice to see him get the chance, especially when this is a year to use to evaluate whether Eller can make that jump into the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamez74 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I think the reason Eller has not been given a chance on the first line is because DD is to small to play on the 4th line. Hopefully when Noke comes back they sit DD for a game and let Eller centre the first line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 I think the reason Eller has not been given a chance on the first line is because DD is to small to play on the 4th line. Hopefully when Noke comes back they sit DD for a game and let Eller centre the first line. Eller is by no means a better player than DD right now. I don't think it's unreasonable to play DD ahead of Eller, but as a personal choice, I'd prefer to see Eller there because he has the higher ceiling and the better chance of being a part of the long-term plan here. I don't think there's any size requirement to play on the 4th line (many are calling for Dumont to play there, even though he's not that big either), especially when you've got two of Moen, Armstrong, and White next to you. But no matter who's there, it's someone who is wasting their offensive talents with little ice time and no finish on the wings. I'd personally much rather see Eller on the 2nd line LW than have him lull about on the 4th line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newf420 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 According to John Lu, Eller is playing with patches and DD tonight, lets hope that he brings it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbaker8787 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 According to John Lu, Eller is playing with patches and DD tonight, lets hope that he brings it. Let's hope that at some point Eller moves to centre, he's better on draws and he's much bigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerplay2009 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Let's hope that at some point Eller moves to centre, he's better on draws and he's much bigger Actually, I think DD has been our best center on draws this year... No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob616 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Nice, the only silver lining in Gallagher being out is that Eller gets a chance with some skilled players. Excited to see how he does tonight, really hope he can put up some points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbaker8787 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Actually, I think DD has been our best center on draws this year... No? I haven't seen any statistics, just been hearing of late he hasn't been doing the best I could be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Eller's FO% is better than DD and Pleks at the moment. He's right at 50%. Our best faceoff guy, granted it's been a smaller sample size, has actually been Ryan White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caperns Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Really good game by Eller last night, most noticable was his back check on Staal when he stripped the puck... The problem is he has a good outing or two and then disapears for games on end...He needs to build games like that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 No question in my mind that he's ready for a try as the second-line center. He's played extremely well the past few weeks, and it's high time we got to see him as the guy who gets Pacioretty as a winger and gets the 2nd PP unit time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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