JuniorSTLB Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 No question in my mind that he's ready for a try as the second-line center. He's played extremely well the past few weeks, and it's high time we got to see him as the guy who gets Pacioretty as a winger and gets the 2nd PP unit time. Yeah, he's shown some tremendous progress. But I still think, for the remaining of this short season, that Desharnais should finish the job as the second center. Next year, Eller definitely deserves the shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Yeah, he's shown some tremendous progress. But I still think, for the remaining of this short season, that Desharnais should finish the job as the second center. Next year, Eller definitely deserves the shot I think we've waited long enough. Maybe Eller can kick start that line so they can all start producing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Yeah, he's shown some tremendous progress. But I still think, for the remaining of this short season, that Desharnais should finish the job as the second center. Next year, Eller definitely deserves the shot Disagree. I'm not saying Eller needs to spend the rest of the season on the second line, but we need to make a decision on DD/Eller/Gally by the end of the season with respect to who we're keeping, who will play center, etc. We need to gather information as to whether Eller can handle second-line duties. You don't want to ruin DD's trade value completely but developing Eller is more important at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanahan1024 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Nothing against desharnais he produced last year and can be a solid second line center...however given ellers size, skill and defensive awareness Id trade DD in the off season, move Gally to second line center and Eller 3rd line. Lars would be perfect suited for that role and give him second line powerplay time for an entire season and I see no reason why he cant put up 50 points like a Jordan Staal or Ryan O'reilly type player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine1One Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Nothing against desharnais he produced last year and can be a solid second line center...however given ellers size, skill and defensive awareness Id trade DD in the off season, move Gally to second line center and Eller 3rd line. Lars would be perfect suited for that role and give him second line powerplay time for an entire season and I see no reason why he cant put up 50 points like a Jordan Staal or Ryan O'reilly type player. Those two players are first liners on most teams. I see eller more in the dave bolland mold I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuniorSTLB Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Disagree. I'm not saying Eller needs to spend the rest of the season on the second line, but we need to make a decision on DD/Eller/Gally by the end of the season with respect to who we're keeping, who will play center, etc. We need to gather information as to whether Eller can handle second-line duties. You don't want to ruin DD's trade value completely but developing Eller is more important at this point. Sadly that's not how things work. I think it's obvious moving forward, Desharnais will not be signed here next year. Look, we're first in the east conference. While we have a shot for the cup, Desharnais WILL remain the second center. The only reason Eller would become the second center this season is if Desharnais gets injured, OR Eller outplays him (which I highly doubt at this point). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Sadly that's not how things work. I think it's obvious moving forward, Desharnais will not be signed here next year. Look, we're first in the east conference. While we have a shot for the cup, Desharnais WILL remain the second center. The only reason Eller would become the second center this season is if Desharnais gets injured, OR Eller outplays him (which I highly doubt at this point). Except that Eller IS outplaying Desharnais right now. I don't see what's wrong with having Eller on the "second" line and Desharnais in the "third." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Sadly that's not how things work. I think it's obvious moving forward, Desharnais will not be signed here next year. Look, we're first in the east conference. While we have a shot for the cup, Desharnais WILL remain the second center. The only reason Eller would become the second center this season is if Desharnais gets injured, OR Eller outplays him (which I highly doubt at this point). Desharnais is obviously playing with 110% effort most nights, but he just isn't getting the results anymore. Eller is also playing with 110% effort and creating more chances and spending less time on his knees/rear than Desharnais. I love DD as much as the next guy, but I think Eller so far has proven that he deserves a shot in the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiLla Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Except that Eller IS outplaying Desharnais right now. I don't see what's wrong with having Eller on the "second" line and Desharnais in the "third." This. Eller's been one of our best forwards for a while now, he's responded very well to being a healthy scratch at the beginning of the season. With Desharnais, however, I don't see much improvement although he keeps on getting quality minutes on the PP. Frankly, I haven't been impressed at all. Just like Cole, he's been a non-factor on most nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 This. Eller's been one of our best forwards for a while now, he's responded very well to being a healthy scratch at the beginning of the season. With Desharnais, however, I don't see much improvement although he keeps on getting quality minutes on the PP. Frankly, I haven't been impressed at all. Just like Cole, he's been a non-factor on most nights. Part of DD not being a factor has been related to his wingers' lack of production too. Cole's drives to the net have stopped short more often than not this year, so he puts in less goals (giving DD fewer points) and he draws less coverage, whereas last season, DD scored a number of his goals jumping on loose pucks in the slot/crease because Cole or Pacman had drawn double coverage. Hard to tell what's the chicken and what's the egg, as to whether his wingers are not helping him or he's not helping his wingers, but either way, it'd be nice to see the lines changed and give Eller a chance to work with Pacman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine1One Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Part of DD not being a factor has been related to his wingers' lack of production too. Cole's drives to the net have stopped short more often than not this year, so he puts in less goals (giving DD fewer points) and he draws less coverage, whereas last season, DD scored a number of his goals jumping on loose pucks in the slot/crease because Cole or Pacman had drawn double coverage. Hard to tell what's the chicken and what's the egg, as to whether his wingers are not helping him or he's not helping his wingers, but either way, it'd be nice to see the lines changed and give Eller a chance to work with Pacman. I'd like to keep some things the same perhaps through paciorety onto the eller galchenyuk line and give them second line minutes. then when Gallagher is healthy Cole DD Gallagher? I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Seeing as we're basically going with more of a line 2A/2B scenario anyway, it's kind of a moot point for me at the moment. As long as he's on the second or 3rd line he's going to have some decent guys to play with and solid ice time. Eller actually got a little more ice time than DD last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 eller is playing great he really took the message he got at the start of the year to heart. i feel he is playing his best hockey of the year now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 No question in my mind that he's ready for a try as the second-line center. He's played extremely well the past few weeks, and it's high time we got to see him as the guy who gets Pacioretty as a winger and gets the 2nd PP unit time. I dont care what we call the lines (ie 1a 1b, 2nd, kid line - whatever) but I do agree that Eller needs more quality ice time. Its been coming though, the last few games. Playing alongside Gally, he's shown some real chemistry with the kid and i like that they are getting PP time. I still think, for the remaining of this short season, that Desharnais should finish the job as the second center. Next year, Eller definitely deserves the shot The thing is, I dont see how DD plays into our long term plans. The only reason to give him ice time this year would be to pump up his trade value, but I dont a lot of interest in him from other teams. Maybe Im wrong but I dont know that it makes much sense to play him over Eller in most situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerplay2009 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Therrien played him with Galchenyuk and Prust as the second line last night IMO and they were awesome together. I know people would grunt at Prust being labeled a top-6 player, but it's working. Why not try long term? My kneejerk reaction would be to throw Pacioretty on a line with Eller and Galch, but his rediscovering of chemistry with Desharnais(IMO) makes it a tough call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Therrien played him with Galchenyuk and Prust as the second line last night IMO and they were awesome together. I know people would grunt at Prust being labeled a top-6 player, but it's working. Why not try long term? My kneejerk reaction would be to throw Pacioretty on a line with Eller and Galch, but his rediscovering of chemistry with Desharnais(IMO) makes it a tough call. A guy like Prust can absolutely play in your top 6 - IF - if, the centre is an elite player. We've seen it countless times before with guys like Gretzky, Crosby etc. You get one elite guy who is so skilled at finding his 'finisher' (the RW in this case) that the LW spot can easily be filled by a grinder/plugger who opens up a little space. Gally is probably not there yet and Im not sure if Eller will ever be a high enough quality finisher to make this type of line work with these three, but for now with the assignments/ice time they are getting, it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine1One Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 A guy like Prust can absolutely play in your top 6 - IF - if, the centre is an elite player. We've seen it countless times before with guys like Gretzky, Crosby etc. You get one elite guy who is so skilled at finding his 'finisher' (the RW in this case) that the LW spot can easily be filled by a grinder/plugger who opens up a little space. Gally is probably not there yet and Im not sure if Eller will ever be a high enough quality finisher to make this type of line work with these three, but for now with the assignments/ice time they are getting, it works. Still can't believe how good Crosby is and how many points he gets with Kunitz And Cooke as wingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werzoth Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Still can't believe how good Crosby is and how many points he gets with Kunitz And Cooke as wingers You mean Kunitz and Dupuis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsology2 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 You mean Kunitz and Dupuis I disagree. I think Kunitz and Dupuis are very good players. They just get overshadowed by crosby and everyone sees them as pluggers. I would love to have either one on our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine1One Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 You mean Kunitz and Dupuis oh he's got dupuis on his wing now? They are good players, just not the players that crosby should have on his wing. He should have at least 1 high end winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 It probably gets overstated with Kunitz. He's a solid player and has been a 50-60 point guy for most of his career. Dupuis on the other hand while a very useful 3rd line type player has no business on a top line under most circumstances IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine1One Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 It probably gets overstated with Kunitz. He's a solid player and has been a 50-60 point guy for most of his career. Dupuis on the other hand while a very useful 3rd line type player has no business on a top line under most circumstances IMHO. Lars eller would look good there. /trades for crosby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskeg2 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 A great game by Eller--the pass to the set-up Galchenyuk's goal was a thing of beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 In my eyes, he was the best player on the ice tonight. He's been playing his way up the ladder really quickly. Might truly end up being his breakout season as a two-way second line center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine1One Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 In my eyes, he was the best player on the ice tonight. He's been playing his way up the ladder really quickly. Might truly end up being his breakout season as a two-way second line center. And that's awesome even though it pushes galchenyuk to the wing. Galchenyuk can be a bigger goal threat on the wings as well,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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