Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 The Habs new patsy? He is still young, has potential and can contribute to the Habs success IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdubbs Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 I would definitely put Eller in and give DD a night off after last nights performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerplay2009 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 canadiens.com reporting that at today's practice lines are the same as last night, so Eller would be sitting out another game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Well I'd like to have him back in, but at the same time it's hard to argue with the success that was yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 canadiens.com reporting that at today's practice lines are the same as last night, so Eller would be sitting out another game. Dont love this. Too early to know for sure, but I really think 2 games is too much. 1 game I can live with, but we're not talking about some spare-part here, Eller should be a key part of our forward core for the next decade if they handle him correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Dont love this. Too early to know for sure, but I really think 2 games is too much. 1 game I can live with, but we're not talking about some spare-part here, Eller should be a key part of our forward core for the next decade if they handle him correctly. I'd rather him be in the line up as well, though it's tough to decide where you slot him in after last game. I can't see him sitting for long unless we go on a big tear with the entire forward core playing great which I guess would be an OK problem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob616 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 WEll now that Gomez is gone and Subban's a regular (when he's under contract lol) we need someone new to throw under the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 WEll now that Gomez is gone and Subban's a regular (when he's under contract lol) we need someone new to throw under the bus. I thought that was going to be Webber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 I'd rather him be in the line up as well, though it's tough to decide where you slot him in after last game. I can't see him sitting for long unless we go on a big tear with the entire forward core playing great which I guess would be an OK problem to have. Yeah, its not the "end of the world" i just dont necessarily agree with it. At this point though, we still dont know for sure who's in and who's out - a lot can change in 30 hrs. The video of Lars on the NHL video centre this morning was good though - he's clearly frustrated but seems motivated & ready to come out flying when he gets his chance. Lets face it: some great players have been sat at points in their career & often it works out favourably in the long run (although I think the frustrating thing for Lars is that part of this is beyond his control - the numbers game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caperns Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 3 yrs of professional hockey and he hasn't accomplished much at all. Don't know what the fuss is over this guy still.. not sure why anyone would want to replace DD with Eller... this is much liek when latendresse was with us, complaints about him not getting to paly of teh big lines, or being teh skapegoat... maybe its the player, other then having scored 4 goals in one game, over 3 professional season what has he done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 I would definitely put Eller in and give DD a night off after last nights performance. DD was still working hard as ever though. There were times when a guy had gotten him down to the ice but he still managed to make a play, even on one of markovs goals I agree Eller does have more upside though and if we need to move a centre I would move Desharnais over Eller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 3 yrs of professional hockey and he hasn't accomplished much at all. Don't know what the fuss is over this guy still.. not sure why anyone would want to replace DD with Eller... this is much liek when latendresse was with us, complaints about him not getting to paly of teh big lines, or being teh skapegoat... maybe its the player, other then having scored 4 goals in one game, over 3 professional season what has he done? Obviously he hasnt "done" much yet, but at 23 I dont see why you'd close the book on him either. A couple of points: 3 years of professional hockey? We're counting the AHL now in evaluating an NHL player? He's played only 2 nhl seasons (164 games) and has put up 47 points. Not spectacular in the least, but considering he's only 23, had at least 1 of those years as an "adjustment" period coming over from Europe and has spent most of his time with guys like Moen on his wing, I dont consider that too bad. He's also been getting increasingly better defensively and he's one of the best forwards on our squad at using his size to protect the puck. If you look at arguably our best forward (Plekanec) he didnt start scoring well until he was 25 and he had 3 full seasons in the AHL to "adjust." Now, if your argument is that Eller should have spent at least another year in the AHL, i wholeheartedly agree. But that is neither Eller, nor current management's fault. The previous braintrust would not allow him more time to develop in the minors because they wanted to show "immediate return" on the trade for Halak. A mistake imho, but not one that will hurt long-term, I do not believe. But, in answer to your question: what has he done? Nothing, but he also hasnt done anything to make me think he is not going to be capable of being either a 2nd line centre, or a premier shut down 3rd line guy within a couple more years. If he was 25 and had spent a whole season getting solid ice time, PP assignments and decent line-mates then yes, Id absolutely be worried about his future with the team. Right now, I am not. As a side note, I think its funny you mention Latendresse who actually has had really good numbers since leaving montreal (82 games since leaving, 35 goals) the only reason he's a "bust" is that his body appears to be made of glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caperns Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Obviously he hasnt "done" much yet, but at 23 I dont see why you'd close the book on him either. A couple of points: 3 years of professional hockey? We're counting the AHL now in evaluating an NHL player? He's played only 2 nhl seasons (164 games) and has put up 47 points. Not spectacular in the least, but considering he's only 23, had at least 1 of those years as an "adjustment" period coming over from Europe and has spent most of his time with guys like Moen on his wing, I dont consider that too bad. He's also been getting increasingly better defensively and he's one of the best forwards on our squad at using his size to protect the puck. If you look at arguably our best forward (Plekanec) he didnt start scoring well until he was 25 and he had 3 full seasons in the AHL to "adjust." Now, if your argument is that Eller should have spent at least another year in the AHL, i wholeheartedly agree. But that is neither Eller, nor current management's fault. The previous braintrust would not allow him more time to develop in the minors because they wanted to show "immediate return" on the trade for Halak. A mistake imho, but not one that will hurt long-term, I do not believe. But, in answer to your question: what has he done? Nothing, but he also hasnt done anything to make me think he is not going to be capable of being either a 2nd line centre, or a premier shut down 3rd line guy within a couple more years. If he was 25 and had spent a whole season getting solid ice time, PP assignments and decent line-mates then yes, Id absolutely be worried about his future with the team. Right now, I am not. As a side note, I think its funny you mention Latendresse who actually has had really good numbers since leaving montreal (82 games since leaving, 35 goals) the only reason he's a "bust" is that his body appears to be made of glass. Actually its 33 goals in 84 games since leaving Montreal, and well we know there are two ends to a rink, Lats doesn't... You really see Eller as a second line center? I am not even sure if he has done enough to be an everday third line player...He still has brain cramps in the defensive zone, he does not dish the puck very well, he hasnt proved he can score and he is not physical And yes The AHL is a professional hockey league...Thats 3 years of professional hockey in NA... Right now we have DD, Pleks as your one two...What I have seen from Gally in two games compared to Eller in 2 years I would sooner have Gally at in the number 3 slot ...your 4th line of grinders serves us well.. Sorry - when Eller gets his next chance he has to step it up...because by 23 there should be some really good signs and as of now there really hasn't Time is running out on Eller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 I thought that was going to be Webber. He's already under the bus, it's only a matter of the wheel rolling over now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdubbs Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 DD was still working hard as ever though. There were times when a guy had gotten him down to the ice but he still managed to make a play, even on one of markovs goals I agree Eller does have more upside though and if we need to move a centre I would move Desharnais over Eller. Its about producing though, and so far he hasnt been making good decisions to help his linemates produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiLla Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 I don't know, he has shown steady progression since he got here and was tied with Desharnais for 4th in goals scored last year, trailing Plekanec by only 1 goal although Eller didn't get any PP time whatsoever. I doubt he'll be a bonafide No 1 center one day, but I'd still like to see how he'd produce when playing with wingers who can actually score goals. Down the road, he could still be a useful 2nd line center – not sure it's going to be in Montreal though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsftw19 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 I find this whole Eller situation extremely frustrating. In my opinion, after tonight, he shouldn't sit another game all year. We have been teasing this kid from the start and I really do see potential there for Lars to be one of our top two centers. You have to remember guys, if our brains upstairs didn't see potential in this kid, he wouldn't be targeted. Being benched for two games after that circus of a game against Toronto just isn't right. We keep mixing lines on him. He's young, he's got size, hands, and his defensive game has improved. Put him with line mates that can produce and KEEP him there. If we keep toying with this kids confidence, he won't pan out like he should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Eller will probably sit until we lose. Lots of coaches go with the "winning formula" roster (however dumb it is). I'm not really worried about Eller's development or his sitting in the pressbox. He'll get ice time before the month is over. I mean, it's also not like he's a top six forward yet. His best chance is to grab the wing spot being held onto by Bourque... However, that's up to him to show the coaching staff that he deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 You really see Eller as a second line center? I am not even sure if he has done enough to be an everday third line player...He still has brain cramps in the defensive zone, he does not dish the puck very well, he hasnt proved he can score and he is not physical Yes, I believe he can be a 2nd line centre. We must be watching different teams if you think Eller has brain cramps in the defensive zone or doesnt play physical. He's not Carbonneau (yet!) but he's a smart positional player and his defensive play is far above average for a 23 year old. He may not beat people up but he's tough to knock off the puck & he doesnt shy away from dirty areas. There's no question Desharnais has proven he's offensively talented but I still contend that within a couple of years Eller will be a better all-round centre than him. Time will tell. And yes The AHL is a professional hockey league...Thats 3 years of professional hockey in NA... The context of the original statement was about how he has had time to show he is the real deal in the NHL but hasnt. I think adding in AHL years is a bit unfair/pointless. If we're throwing in years in the AHL then Plekanec played 5 yearsbefore he started producing in the NHL. The other side of it is that I believe that Eller should have played more years in the AHL, which has possibly slowed (although not hindered imho) his progress. Sorry - when Eller gets his next chance he has to step it up...because by 23 there should be some really good signs and as of now there really hasn'tTime is running out on Eller There's no question that he has to turn that "potential" into 'production' - i absolutely agree with you. However, I dont see it as a "do or die" this year or even next. The only important thing is that he consistently improves. As long as he does that, then the pace at which he does so is less relevant. None of us can really say how this will play out, but if i were a betting man I would say he will be a 2nd line centre somewhere in the NHL. I hope its with us, but I can see him getting moved if we dont have the space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 I've been on board so far, but I think it's time to bring Eller back for the next game. The team played well again, but there are certainly a few people that could be taken out without having to bench someone after they played a great game. Ryan White comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 I've been on board so far, but I think it's time to bring Eller back for the next game. The team played well again, but there are certainly a few people that could be taken out without having to bench someone after they played a great game. Ryan White comes to mind. I was thinking of him too; some dumb penalties last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 I'd definitely bring Eller back in replacing either White, Moen, or Armstrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwdemonwolf Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Eller belongs in the lineup. I am all for keeping a winning team but Eller will add another threat up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Marc Antoine Godin was interviewed briefly on the TSN feed last night. I think it was between the first and second periods. He mentioned Eller wasn't a "Therrien type" player. Not sure where he's getting this information from. I like how the wolves are out already, after three games, attempting to cause a team controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 I'd definitely bring Eller back in replacing either White, Moen, or Armstrong. I would be surprised if he's not in the lineup next game - win aside - but Id really like to see what he can do back on the 3rd line, with Galchenyuk. Keep Gally at centre. Do they really need Prust on that line as a Babysitter? Yes, Gally B is small but he's fast and Eller/Gally A both have size. Why not: Eller-Gally A-Gally B Moen - Prust - Armstrong - White (aside from Prust who's earned his keep, Im not sure which of those guys gets a night off). On the flip side, I wouldnt mind shaking up the top line a little too - Patches has looked strong but Cole looks half asleep & DD is still a step slow. I wouldnt touch line 2, obviously, but i wouldnt mind changing things around a little. If you're going to give Eller 2 nights off to "charge him up" then why not give him a period on the top line & see how he responds? Bringing him back into the lineup to play with Moen and Armstrong or something for 10 minutes is hardly going to elicit great results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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