Noob616 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 I see that it isn't true. I'm glad, because 5.5M over 2 years is hilariously lowballing him. Like, not even in the same ballpark lowballing. Gorges makes 3.9... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72coleman Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 la la la la la la la hey hey good by. not enough buget left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 la la la la la la la hey hey good by. not enough buget left. How do you figure ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 la la la la la la la hey hey good by. not enough buget left. We have 6.3 mil in capspace as stands now. Subban was being offered 5.5 over 2 years meaning 2.25 per season cap hit. We have enough cap space to give him 3.75-5.75 which is what I would be giving him on a 2-3 year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72coleman Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 We have 6.3 mil in capspace as stands now. Subban was being offered 5.5 over 2 years meaning 2.25 per season cap hit. We have enough cap space to give him 3.75-5.75 which is what I would be giving him on a 2-3 year deal. i am thinking they are still trying to look for another power forward if they where looking at doan and if we give subban even 5 million there is not enough money for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 i am thinking they are still trying to look for another power forward if they where looking at doan and if we give subban even 5 million there is not enough money for that. I think id rather sign subban before we look at adding other pieces. Besides we can always demote a guy like Kaberle after training camp since were allowed to go over the salary cap in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 i am thinking they are still trying to look for another power forward if they where looking at doan and if we give subban even 5 million there is not enough money for that. I imagine if we're in the running for another top 6,, then the Gomez factor would kick in.There's 7.3 mill to spare. Either way,,,somebody gets removed from the roster to make room,, as we're currently at the maximum of 23. When we sign PK somebody will get removed from those Cap totals,,, and another one goes if we add somebody like Doan.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 i am thinking they are still trying to look for another power forward if they where looking at doan and if we give subban even 5 million there is not enough money for that. If we sign Doan or anyone like that it's pretty clear the plan would be to send one of the big, under performing contracts to Hamilton. Most likely Gomez or Kaberle. We have 6.3 mil in capspace as stands now. Subban was being offered 5.5 over 2 years meaning 2.25 per season cap hit. We have enough cap space to give him 3.75-5.75 which is what I would be giving him on a 2-3 year deal. 5.5 for 2 years is 2.75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 If we sign Doan or anyone like that it's pretty clear the plan would be to send one of the big, under performing contracts to Hamilton. Most likely Gomez or Kaberle. 5.5 for 2 years is 2.75. Math was never my specialty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob616 Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 We really don't have a cap problem here for signing Subban. We can go over the cap by 10% in the summer, and then just demote one of Kaberle/Gomez in the fall. I reiterate, 2.75 is hilariously low for Subban, and I don't believe for a second that Bergevin would offer him that little, unless he's truly delusional. It's not even close to the range we'll be looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 We have 6.3 mil in capspace as stands now. Subban was being offered 5.5 over 2 years meaning 2.25 per season cap hit. We have enough cap space to give him 3.75-5.75 which is what I would be giving him on a 2-3 year deal. Ohhhhhhh, 5.5 OVER two years. It all makes sense to me now why everyone's complaining about it being so low. Thanks for clearing that up for me, HTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 To be honest, a two year term is not entirely surprising (assuming any truth to the rumour). Price worked with a two year deal on his second contract, so I see no reason why P.K. can't do the same. And Price's second contract also had an annual cap hit of $2.75 million. This $5.5 million over two years rumour might be false, but it's not absolutely insane. I would think, when all is said and done, P.K. may be signed to something for two seasons. It will probably be worth more money. That leaves him RFA in two years and we have a chance to lock him up long-term then, seeing what he does in 2012-2013 and 2013-2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 To be honest, a two year term is not entirely surprising (assuming any truth to the rumour). Price worked with a two year deal on his second contract, so I see no reason why P.K. can't do the same. And Price's second contract also had an annual cap hit of $2.75 million. This $5.5 million over two years rumour might be false, but it's not absolutely insane. I would think, when all is said and done, P.K. may be signed to something for two seasons. It will probably be worth more money. That leaves him RFA in two years and we have a chance to lock him up long-term then, seeing what he does in 2012-2013 and 2013-2014. Exactly. Since he doesn't accept a contract similar to price however, he is therefore arrogant, destroying this team, a locker room issue, and should be traded henceforth to a team for a return of 3 superstar forwards 8 draft picks and several blue chip defensive prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Without Subban this team is the most likely team in the league to be in last place next year imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Without Subban this team is the most likely team in the league to be in last place next year imo. Exactly. Theres only one player I take in a trade for PK and thats Alex Pietrangelo. maybe del zotto and mcdonagh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Im not entirely sure why people are calling this offer "lowballing" I mean dont get me wrong, id like to see PK get at least 4 years, but if the team still wants more "proof" then 2 years at a good wage is the way to do it. If he excells (which most of us believe he will) his next deall will be worth even more & its not like they are asking him to accept peanuts in the meantime. He's a great young defensman but I dont see him having done anything to warrant a $7m a year contract or something. If i were GM id be pushing for 4-6 years at $5.5m-6m per. Its a bit risky from our standpoint if he never turns into a $6m player, but its also safer in the long run if he turns into a $7m guy. Its a guaranteed $25m+ for subban too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Im not entirely sure why people are calling this offer "lowballing" I mean dont get me wrong, id like to see PK get at least 4 years, but if the team still wants more "proof" then 2 years at a good wage is the way to do it. If he excells (which most of us believe he will) his next deall will be worth even more & its not like they are asking him to accept peanuts in the meantime. He's a great young defensman but I dont see him having done anything to warrant a $7m a year contract or something. If i were GM id be pushing for 4-6 years at $5.5m-6m per. Its a bit risky from our standpoint if he never turns into a $6m player, but its also safer in the long run if he turns into a $7m guy. Its a guaranteed $25m+ for subban too. I agree entirely. I'm wishing for something like five years, $20-$25 million. However, it seems unlikely IMO. Seeing the way defensive salaries are going through the roof I can imagine that if P.K. accepted a two year deal he would have a good opportunity to REALLY cash in two years from now. He could potentially get himself $6+ million per season easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 i understand what you're saying Jed, but I do feel MB "lowballed" PK. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, it's just part of the process. PK has matured and improved very quickly imo for a young dman. He was still getting into trouble (defensively and positionally) in the 1st half of the season. Something clicked for him in the 2nd half, so much so that you'd swear a year had gone by. To lock this kid up long term, you have no choice to over-pay a lil in the next few years. I hear numbers like 5 mil/season to start. Which would be a significant raise from his entry level contract. True a lil high for a kid entering his 3rd full year. If he continues to improve at the pace he's going, it'll be a steal in just a few short seasons. I'm really not surprised that PK's agent refused the 1st offer. I'd be more surprised if they accepted the first offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitom Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Journalists or the dudes that do the titles tick me off. BletcherReport with ProHockeyTalk has headline which partially states "Subban not Happy". Well the write-up states that 2 sides far apart, but no quotes or statement attributed to PK. GET THE HEADLINES CORRECT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Journalists or the dudes that do the titles tick me off. BletcherReport with ProHockeyTalk has headline which partially states "Subban not Happy". Well the write-up states that 2 sides far apart, but no quotes or statement attributed to PK. GET THE HEADLINES CORRECT! I really don't know why they say that,,,,,it's negotiations,,,,back and forth stuff. They will come to an agreement. SHEEEEEEESH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitom Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I really don't know why they say that,,,,,it's negotiations,,,,back and forth stuff. They will come to an agreement. SHEEEEEEESH Just to add drama where it is not needed I guess. Yes they will get a fair deal done. As a Hab fan I always hope for a "home team discount" but being a realist I look at any employee and think they would take a 50% pay increase over their colleagues if secretly offered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I predict P.K. Subban's signing will be announced on August 20th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepingminotaur Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I sincerely hope that the RDS report is untrue. Because if it is, if Bergevin's opening offer was an absurd lowballing of our no. 1 d-man -- poor term, poor annual cap hit, for a player not even entering his physical prime whom we should be LOOKING to sign to a multi-year deal -- I have no faith in this regime's ability to do what's right for the team. Absolutely idiotic of us not to get Subban locked up to a long-term contract ASAP, especially given the parlous state of our defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob616 Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I sincerely hope that the RDS report is untrue. Because if it is, if Bergevin's opening offer was an absurd lowballing of our no. 1 d-man -- poor term, poor annual cap hit, for a player not even entering his physical prime whom we should be LOOKING to sign to a multi-year deal -- I have no faith in this regime's ability to do what's right for the team. Absolutely idiotic of us not to get Subban locked up to a long-term contract ASAP, especially given the parlous state of our defense. Just try to ignore it for now. There's two possibilites, either the report is untrue, or Bergevin completely lowballed him like a moron. I generally abide by the principle that the simpler explanation is the correct one, I would say it's likely that the report is wrong. For all we know, they have a 5 year deal worked out and they're just working on the structure of it. I really do hope and believe that anyone with half a brain understands that Subban is the best defenseman on the team and it's not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepingminotaur Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Just try to ignore it for now. There's two possibilites, either the report is untrue, or Bergevin completely lowballed him like a moron. I generally abide by the principle that the simpler explanation is the correct one, I would say it's likely that the report is wrong. For all we know, they have a 5 year deal worked out and they're just working on the structure of it. I really do hope and believe that anyone with half a brain understands that Subban is the best defenseman on the team and it's not even close. Yep, going to ignore it for now and hope that the truth is far more reassuring for our organization and for our ability to be confident in Bergevin's hockey judgment. IF that report is true, I'm very afraid for our future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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