BigTed3 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 #73 Michael Ryder Bio Stats Video Draft Class QUOTE LIBRARYA warm welcome back to the Habs newest member... Michael Ryder. Will likely be seeing top 6 duty on the right side with significant PP time. Should have lots of opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DXStriker Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Welcome back Michael ! Hopefully it sparks our PP Markov to Ryder.. GOAL Seems like something I would enjoy lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 When I woke up I definitely didn't anticipate posting in this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepingminotaur Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 As long as I don't see "the move", I'm happy. Seriously, though, welcome back, Michael. Didn't think this would ever happen, but that's hockey for ya. We definitely need a triggerman at forward right now so it's a solid addition. Power forwards are great, but you also need people who can snipe, which we haven't had since Cammalleri left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 As long as I don't see "the move", I'm happy. Seriously, though, welcome back, Michael. Didn't think this would ever happen, but that's hockey for ya. We definitely need a triggerman at forward right now so it's a solid addition. Power forwards are great, but you also need people who can snipe, which we haven't had since Cammalleri left. I was JUST saying that in the other thread to you! Size is great but we have guys (big and small) who will go to the net and we're very short on guys who can beat goalies clean on the PP. We needed these type goals for games like last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepingminotaur Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 I was JUST saying that in the other thread to you! Size is great but we have guys (big and small) who will go to the net and we're very short on guys who can beat goalies clean on the PP. We needed these type goals for games like last night. LOL, I know, I saw your initial comment just now! Should also be useful in the shootout FWIW. Nice to have a guy like Ryder who can really just wire a laser... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Regis2 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Not surprised @ Cole being traded - 2 more years with his cap hit and at his age , the Habs needed to free up cap space and I think last year was probably the best yr the Habs were goign to get out of Cole I am surprised at picking up Ryder Not sure what to make of it but it's only for 29 more games Now see what we can about Kaberle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicalhab Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 but you also need people who can snipe, which we haven't had since Cammalleri left. and perhaps Michael is a more useful option at the sniper position. Neither player have scored 40 goals in a season and their about the same age, so the x factors comparing these two players is Ryders advantage in height and overall regular season and playoff performance experience, with the stanley cup ring being the icing. Cammalleri is quicker with better shot accuracy but also more inconsistent and frusterating defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Apparently trying his best to get to Toronto. Paper airplane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepingminotaur Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 and perhaps Michael is a more useful option at the sniper position. Neither player have scored 40 goals in a season and their about the same age, so the x factors comparing these two players is Ryders advantage in height and overall regular season and playoff performance experience, with the stanley cup ring being the icing. Cammalleri is quicker with better shot accuracy but also more inconsistent and frusterating defensively. Also Ryder is a UFA after this year and at a lower cap hit. That's significantly in his favor IMO. Cammalleri is the more skilled player, definitely, with higher top end but with a higher cap hit. I'd take either one right now; just getting a guy who can snipe from anywhere in the offensive zone is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caperns Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Not sure what to make of this. Certainly will be easier on the bank book at year end. I kept waiting for Cole to turn the corner and get back to where he was last season. I seen glimpses last night when he ran over Methot..Not sure Coles head is in the game anymore though. Ryder is Ryder, he knows where the net is for sure. Lower cap and we can wave goodbye at year end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGESTHABSFAN123 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Welcome back Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forza-Montreal Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 As long as I don't see "the move", I'm happy. Seriously, though, welcome back, Michael. Didn't think this would ever happen, but that's hockey for ya. We definitely need a triggerman at forward right now so it's a solid addition. Power forwards are great, but you also need people who can snipe, which we haven't had since Cammalleri left. Ryder is Good, Cammalleri was better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepingminotaur Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Ryder is Good, Cammalleri was better Not sure where I argued differently. Not saying both players are equal in talent, just that they both occupy the same role and it's good to have a sniper again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 and an extra draft pick. and i agree we really needed a sniper again and on that side to. and with his contract ending it leaves open to sign either him or someone else for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 I don't know that I'd argue in favor of Ryder based on his Cup win in Boston. He was a really a role player on that team, not a key member. The truth is that Ryder's not going to make a huge difference in team performance for the Canadiens. He'll help on the PP, but he's not a guy you can throw out there for 20-22 minutes a night. I agree that he fills a need for a sniper that has been present since Cammalleri left, although I think he's a less complete player than Cammy as well. That said, we still don't know how losing Cole impacts the rest of the team, namely whether guys will be getting less chances and space near the net because of the confusion Cole created when he drove the crease. Without a doubt, Cole started off slow, but he usually picks up his game as the season goes on and at the end of the day, we're still giving up a top scorer for a guy who can score but plays a very different style of game. To me, it's unclear whether that will benefit or hurt us on the ice. I do like the trade from a business point of view IF you use those cash savings well. If we end up re-signing Ryder to a 4M deal, then we've saved little to nothing. MB has made a nice trade, and now he needs to capitalize on the cap space created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forza-Montreal Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Not sure where I argued differently. Not saying both players are equal in talent, just that they both occupy the same role and it's good to have a sniper again. I was agreeing with you, There both Good players, In My opinion I thought Cammy was better because or his 2 seasons & 2 playoffs Production Compared to Ryder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forza-Montreal Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 I don't know that I'd argue in favor of Ryder based on his Cup win in Boston. He was a really a role player on that team, not a key member. The truth is that Ryder's not going to make a huge difference in team performance for the Canadiens. He'll help on the PP, but he's not a guy you can throw out there for 20-22 minutes a night. I agree that he fills a need for a sniper that has been present since Cammalleri left, although I think he's a less complete player than Cammy as well. That said, we still don't know how losing Cole impacts the rest of the team, namely whether guys will be getting less chances and space near the net because of the confusion Cole created when he drove the crease. Without a doubt, Cole started off slow, but he usually picks up his game as the season goes on and at the end of the day, we're still giving up a top scorer for a guy who can score but plays a very different style of game. To me, it's unclear whether that will benefit or hurt us on the ice. I do like the trade from a business point of view IF you use those cash savings well. If we end up re-signing Ryder to a 4M deal, then we've saved little to nothing. MB has made a nice trade, and now he needs to capitalize on the cap space created. I will have to agree with you, Cole normally does start off slow & pick up, he was a big part of us reaching 1st in the east with the way he plays the game, Hopefully Ryder doesnt affect up drastically and cause us to fall out of a spot There is an old Rule we use in the Trades If it Works Dont Screw With it, If it aint broken don't fix it, this being said I hope we didn't effect this rule, Normally when you do it creates more problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfoundlandHab Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 I always thought the biggest piece this team was missing was a Newfoundlander! Happy to see him back, but sorry to see Cole go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinnipegJet Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Welcome back, "by". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddienmike Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Really sorry to see Cole go,he was better than a lot of you gave him credit for,butI can't see Ryder getting many goals,I think we will miss Cole going to the net more than we will get from Ryder,not too happy with this one.It's funny I remember a lot of people happy to see Ryder go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff33 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 As long as I don't see "the move", I'm happy. Seriously, though, welcome back, Michael. Didn't think this would ever happen, but that's hockey for ya. We definitely need a triggerman at forward right now so it's a solid addition. Power forwards are great, but you also need people who can snipe, which we haven't had since Cammalleri left. no no not "the move" please god anything but that hahahahahhahaha ohh i remember those days in this thread, good times. i was a major critic his first time around, but i can see where he can contribute with thuis group and i hope it works out, hes been having a good year over in dallas so far, hopefully he keeps it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 LOL, I know, I saw your initial comment just now! Should also be useful in the shootout FWIW. Nice to have a guy like Ryder who can really just wire a laser... OMG! You two are ADORABLE! I think he'll be a nice addition actually. Cole is probably a better overall player, but I think Ryder might provide more of what we need at the moment. And that's just the short-term analysis, it's a very clear win long term(pick + cap relief). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 OMG! You two are ADORABLE! I think he'll be a nice addition actually. Cole is probably a better overall player, but I think Ryder might provide more of what we need at the moment. And that's just the short-term analysis, it's a very clear win long term(pick + cap relief). I'm not so sure about that (see the Ryder trade thread for stats). Add another year (approx. what the difference in NHL games played would be) and you may change your view). Welcome back Michael... good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honuhab Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Welcome back Michael. Good move in short term from both on ice and business perspective. Always liked Ryder too. He should have fun playing with Pleky or any of other centres. Not that sorry to see Cole leave. I didn't like his attitude throughout and after the lockout and unlike some of the fans I don't feel excusing his chronic pattern of being a slow starter to every season is valid. This is especially a concern in this shortened season when we need everyone delivering NOW. It is also hypocritical I think to give Cole a free pass while critcising other players for slow starts or periodic slumps when the guy never got going at all this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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