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#79 Andrei Markov 2013-2014


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I think the previous posters were talking about the Olympics, not the WJC this year... in which case, most players will be allowed to play (unless they're injured). I'd expect we'll see Pacioretty, Plekanec, Budaj, Price, Subban, and Diaz all in the mix to play, and Galchenyuk definitely has an outside shot at making Team USA.

If he doesn't get injured, Markov still plays on team Russian as well IMHO and possibly even Emelin if he's healthy and playing well. Gionta got snubbed last time, so I don't expect him to be there this time coming off an injury.

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If he doesn't get injured, Markov still plays on team Russian as well IMHO and possibly even Emelin if he's healthy and playing well. Gionta got snubbed last time, so I don't expect him to be there this time coming off an injury.

I'm not 100% convinced Markov will be selected for Team Russia.I think it will depend on his season. And yes, Emelin has a shot but he'll have to show he's recovered well ahead of time. I'd agree that Gionta has almost zero chance of making the U.S. team and from our point of view, Pacioretty and Galchenyuk are better odds to stick.

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I'm not 100% convinced Markov will be selected for Team Russia.I think it will depend on his season. And yes, Emelin has a shot but he'll have to show he's recovered well ahead of time. I'd agree that Gionta has almost zero chance of making the U.S. team and from our point of view, Pacioretty and Galchenyuk are better odds to stick.

Russian's defence isn't very deep and as I recall you are allowed to ice 13 forwards and 7 d-men each night, right?

Considering Markovs' prowess as a PP d-man in the league I'd be shocked if he wasn't there, even if it was only for PP duties.

As for Emelin, as long as he doesn't have any sort of setback of any kind which causes him to miss more time than expected I'd be quite surprised if he wasn't there. He has a great deal of experience playing in the KHL and has emerged as a very solid NHL d-man as well.

There are probably some solid Russian d-men in the KHL who will get consideration for the team and maybe even spots...but after Gonchar, Kulikov, Tyutin and Voynov I don't see any NHL d-men from Russia likely to get a spot over either of the Habs' guys. That's 4 guys there, and it's very debateable if Kulikov is deserving over Emelin.

My guess is both are there.

Between them, Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Plekanec and Diaz the Habs could be one of the teams who is really hit hard by the Olympic break.

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KIR, I agree Russia's depth is not that great, but they've always been a country to take non-NHLers into equal consideration... in 2010, they had 3 of 8 defencemen come from outside the NHL. Other than the 4 guys you listed, Volchenkov would have a shot and I believe Grebeshkov just returned to the NHL this summer... I also feel Markov and Emelin will have shots to make it, but I don't think either one is a lock. I think Emelin would have been a lock if he hadn't been hurt, but I feel less certain about Markov. I think a lot depends on how he does this season.

Kordic, Markov is now Canadian, but you're only allowed to suit up for one country internationally and Markov had already selected Russia. He's not eligible to play for Canada.

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KIR, I agree Russia's depth is not that great, but they've always been a country to take non-NHLers into equal consideration... in 2010, they had 3 of 8 defencemen come from outside the NHL. Other than the 4 guys you listed, Volchenkov would have a shot and I believe Grebeshkov just returned to the NHL this summer... I also feel Markov and Emelin will have shots to make it, but I don't think either one is a lock. I think Emelin would have been a lock if he hadn't been hurt, but I feel less certain about Markov. I think a lot depends on how he does this season.

Kordic, Markov is now Canadian, but you're only allowed to suit up for one country internationally and Markov had already selected Russia. He's not eligible to play for Canada.

I hear ya BigTed, with it being in Russia especially you know they'll strive to have some "Russian" flair to the team, and the coup that league pulled off with Ilya certainly helped.

I think Emelin will be back and healthy by mid December, and he had a long and successful tenure in the KHL before going over to the NHL as well, so they need not worry about the smaller sample size.

Time will tell, I feel confident that they'll both be in Sochi if healthy though. There probably aren't 3 d-men in the entire world who can lay checks like Emelin does.

I also believe the familiarity between Markov and Emelin will be a factor for the team.

Tyutin-Nikulin (Russian superstar d-man by all accounts)

Voynov-Gonchar

Markov-Emelin

Kulikov

That's my top 7.

But of course I dont' know much about the various KHL'ers who will be considered, only know Nikulin because I looked up his numbers after seeing he was on the 2010 roster.

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Ya, and look at the contract Gonchar got. If Marky asks for something similar next summer I'd do what Ottawa did and move on.

Just goes to show you what a premium there is in the NHL on solid puck moving d-men.

The Senators are a worse team without Gonchar than they were with him.

If people think Markov is going to re-sign for 3, 3.5 a year they're quite mistaken.

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Just goes to show you what a premium there is in the NHL on solid puck moving d-men.

The Senators are a worse team without Gonchar than they were with him.

If people think Markov is going to re-sign for 3, 3.5 a year they're quite mistaken.

It's why I wonder what his trade value might be. With Subban, Eller, and Emelin needing new contracts I don't think we can afford it. And even of we make room, I don't feel good to give a 35 year old PP specialist 2 years for 5 mil per year.
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It's why I wonder what his trade value might be. With Subban, Eller, and Emelin needing new contracts I don't think we can afford it. And even of we make room, I don't feel good to give a 35 year old PP specialist 2 years for 5 mil per year.

Bingo. You look at how a guy like Kaberle had huge trade value for the Leafs, and within a year, teams were looking to dump him. I do believe there is a market for Markov right now and that this market might grow by trade deadline if he can stay healthy. I wouldn't be surprised if we could finagle a 1st round pick and a young NHLer out of someone for him. Again, not to say Markov isn't good, but he's a part I'd be prepared to give up to add some other younger pieces to the puzzle. I'd rather put up with a year of Beaulieu and Tinordi learning the NHL game and then reap those rewards for several years, along with adding another guy than benefit from 1-2 seasons more of Markov and then pay for the drop-off because we didn't move soon enough. Those of you who read these boards frequently know I'm a firm believer in the buy low, sell high adage, and that holds true here. We have a good young nucleus coming into its prime and the focus should be on building around the likes of Subban, Price, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Eller, Pacioretty, Emelin, etc.

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Bingo. You look at how a guy like Kaberle had huge trade value for the Leafs, and within a year, teams were looking to dump him. I do believe there is a market for Markov right now and that this market might grow by trade deadline if he can stay healthy. I wouldn't be surprised if we could finagle a 1st round pick and a young NHLer out of someone for him. Again, not to say Markov isn't good, but he's a part I'd be prepared to give up to add some other younger pieces to the puzzle. I'd rather put up with a year of Beaulieu and Tinordi learning the NHL game and then reap those rewards for several years, along with adding another guy than benefit from 1-2 seasons more of Markov and then pay for the drop-off because we didn't move soon enough. Those of you who read these boards frequently know I'm a firm believer in the buy low, sell high adage, and that holds true here. We have a good young nucleus coming into its prime and the focus should be on building around the likes of Subban, Price, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Eller, Pacioretty, Emelin, etc.

Ive debated this in other threads - and you know that with very few exceptions Im all about making the team better. As sad as it would be to see Markie go, if he makes us better then you make that move. BUT - I just dont see us making a trade deadline deal for one of our more important players (especially one who may hold the key to our PP) if we feel we're even close to contending.

I think that if MB really wants to move Markov, then right now is the time to do it. I personally dont believe his value is much lower than it would be come trade deadline time but at least we'd have a whole season to try to replace him on the PP. If we move at the deadline then there is a good chance our PP is going to be in shambles by the playoffs.

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Ive debated this in other threads - and you know that with very few exceptions Im all about making the team better. As sad as it would be to see Markie go, if he makes us better then you make that move. BUT - I just dont see us making a trade deadline deal for one of our more important players (especially one who may hold the key to our PP) if we feel we're even close to contending.

I think that if MB really wants to move Markov, then right now is the time to do it. I personally dont believe his value is much lower than it would be come trade deadline time but at least we'd have a whole season to try to replace him on the PP. If we move at the deadline then there is a good chance our PP is going to be in shambles by the playoffs.

There are advantages to trading him now vs. trading him at the deadline vs. not trading him at all this year. To make the case for trading him at the deadline, let's point out that we know Emelin will be out a couple of months to start the year, which in itself provides two reasons to wait before dealing Markov. For one, we would likely need all the help we can get on the back end to start the season and may not want to give up Markov unless we were getting another D man back who could play top 4 minutes. And two, with Emelin out and other injuries possibly ensuing, there's a decent chance both Tinordi and Beaulieu will get some experience in the NHL as the season goes on. Those two may develop enough to allow us to feel comfortable dealing Markov later in the season or conversely, they may prove to be so unready that we then know for sure we don't have the liberty of trading Markov.

If we wait until deadline, we're also catching contending teams in a position where they're more likely to be willing to give up assets in order to push themselves to the top for a run to the Cup. Trading for a veteran at the start of the year is more of a gamble, banking on your team being a contender before your roster has even set foot on the ice. In Markov's case, it's also more of a gamble because of his health, whereas his proving he can stay healthy for the first 50 games might convince another team of his worth a little more. In the end, I agree with you that MB may have a tough time parting with Markov if he's playing well, but unless we're a top 5-6 team in the league again, I think you need to think big picture if you're the GM. As I said, MB has to be looking at our roster with lots of young guns (like Galchenyuk, since this is his thread after all!) and want to build around that.

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I can't envision any scenario where the Habs are doing poorly enough at, or close to the deadline to consider moving Markov.

It's easy to say "The habs aren't a true contender, get some assets and roll the dice" but the actual truth is that the Habs should and will always do everythign in their power to be a contender every season.

That doesn't mean they should give up assets for short term fixes, but there's not much logic in dealing a guy who is as valuable as Markov is for future help.

Now if the unthinkable happens and they're well out of the race, he will definitely be shopped. But looking at the Habs' roster, it's hard to see that happening.

There's a wildcard in all of this though...Raphael Diaz. He's in his prime, and could take another step next year. I think what he does this season will have far more to do with any Markov decision than Beaulieu and Tinordi.

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I fully agree that the Habs' performance will dictate whether Markov gets moved, although I wouldn't necessarily rule out moving Markov if we're a borderline playoff team just to save face with the current season... if the team feels Beaulieu is ready to play the PP (or Diaz, as KIR suggested) then maybe Markov gets swapped for another asset or two.

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I fully agree that the Habs' performance will dictate whether Markov gets moved, although I wouldn't necessarily rule out moving Markov if we're a borderline playoff team just to save face with the current season... if the team feels Beaulieu is ready to play the PP (or Diaz, as KIR suggested) then maybe Markov gets swapped for another asset or two.

It's a sticky situation because as I mentioned a couple of weeks ago in reference to Gonchar...the injuries and advanced age will impact his trade value, but he will likely still be looking at 5 million per season on a new deal.

I would hope Bergevin is proactive, and knows what he'll be looking at (due to the faith showed by the organization he might be willing to take a bit of a hometown discount...but he would need years to do so) and either re-signs him or moves on from him.

One other thing worth mentioning in regards to them being a tweener team and moving or not moving him...as Gainey used to talk about, cap space is an asset in the NHL just like prospects and draft picks.

Yes they could maybe get a decent return at the deadline, or moving close to it...but if they're in the race unless Beaulieu and Diaz REALLY impress the brass I don't honestly know if it's that logical to move a guy who has such importance to the team.

Perhaps simply letting him play out the season and focusing attention elsewhere is the right move. He can help in the stretch run and into the playoffs, and his 5.75 salary can more or less be allocated to Subban (with a bit left for Emelin).

Lots of interesting situations this upcoming season, will be exciting to see how Bergevin deals with it all.

Guess this talk is all for a different thread though ;)

Nice to see A-Gally get the invite to the camp, not bad for a kid with 27 career points and not 20 for another 6 months or so.

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It's a sticky situation because as I mentioned a couple of weeks ago in reference to Gonchar...the injuries and advanced age will impact his trade value, but he will likely still be looking at 5 million per season on a new deal.

I would hope Bergevin is proactive, and knows what he'll be looking at (due to the faith showed by the organization he might be willing to take a bit of a hometown discount...but he would need years to do so) and either re-signs him or moves on from him.

One other thing worth mentioning in regards to them being a tweener team and moving or not moving him...as Gainey used to talk about, cap space is an asset in the NHL just like prospects and draft picks.

Yes they could maybe get a decent return at the deadline, or moving close to it...but if they're in the race unless Beaulieu and Diaz REALLY impress the brass I don't honestly know if it's that logical to move a guy who has such importance to the team.

Perhaps simply letting him play out the season and focusing attention elsewhere is the right move. He can help in the stretch run and into the playoffs, and his 5.75 salary can more or less be allocated to Subban (with a bit left for Emelin).

Lots of interesting situations this upcoming season, will be exciting to see how Bergevin deals with it all.

Guess this talk is all for a different thread though ;)

Indeed, thus all those posts moved in here.

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Markov came back this year after 3 terrible years,due to injuries.But every body seems to forget Markov the man,I think he willl be a lot better this year,I can imagine he will be spending all summer getting better,he is a very proud man and has a depth of character which many of us can only imagine.

When his last contract was up, all he said to his agent was get it done,with the HABS, he didn't even want to look elsewhere,so it will be if he continues playing,he will take the biggest home discount to stay here,and although he lost a lot this year,he will come back better and he is still one of the best at what he does.

With all the youngsters we have,we still need some veteran presence on the back end and who better than Markov,there are not many who can beat him,and I think he will be happy with just a couple of years to finish his time with the HABS,and I would really want his to retire from here.

GO MARKY GO :wub::wub: :wub: :wub::wub:

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Markov came back this year after 3 terrible years,due to injuries.But every body seems to forget Markov the man,I think he willl be a lot better this year,I can imagine he will be spending all summer getting better,he is a very proud man and has a depth of character which many of us can only imagine.

When his last contract was up, all he said to his agent was get it done,with the HABS, he didn't even want to look elsewhere,so it will be if he continues playing,he will take the biggest home discount to stay here,and although he lost a lot this year,he will come back better and he is still one of the best at what he does.

With all the youngsters we have,we still need some veteran presence on the back end and who better than Markov,there are not many who can beat him,and I think he will be happy with just a couple of years to finish his time with the HABS,and I would really want his to retire from here.

GO MARKY GO :wub::wub: :wub: :wub::wub:

Marky has many attributes, and as a habs fan, I certainly appreciate his Loyalty :wub:

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