#31 Carey Price 2013-2014

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Carey Price #31



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Archive 2012-2013
Position: Goalie Shoots: Left
Birth Place: Anahim Lake, BC, CAN
Birth Date: 16-Aug-1987 Age: 25
Height: 6' 3" Weight: 209
Drafted by: Montreal Draft Year: 2005 Round 1(5 overall)


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[KeepsItReal]

Can't wait to see CP back in action next year. Love that you don't have to worry about goaltending on a daily basis as a fan.

[jennifer_rocket]

Well... Last season we kind of did have to worry about goaltending for the last two months. I'm really looking for Carey to have a HUGE year in 2013-2014. If he cannot take that next step in his career perhaps Fucale will be putting pressure on him in about three seasons from now.

[HabsRuleForever]

Well... Last season we kind of did have to worry about goaltending for the last two months. I'm really looking for Carey to have a HUGE year in 2013-2014. If he cannot take that next step in his career perhaps Fucale will be putting pressure on him in about three seasons from now.

Agreed but, if he doesn't rebound this upcoming season, I wouldn't wait that long to do something different. I'm sure it was just an off year & next year he will be back to being CP again. However he still needs to take the next step & be our MVP.

[FirstStar]

Agreed but, if he doesn't rebound this upcoming season, I wouldn't wait that long to do something different. I'm sure it was just an off year & next year he will be back to being CP again. However he still needs to take the next step & be our MVP.

I'm not worried about CP, he's always bounced back after having off seasons. Lockout and early 2011-12 exit due to injury left price with almost a year without playing.

last year was special, he ended the 2011-12v season early due to concussion, suffered a groin tweek in pre-season action and had other health issue that were made public after the season ended.

they did go out and land (according to minor scouts) one of the best young tenders in this years draft.

[jedimaas]

Well... Last season we kind of did have to worry about goaltending for the last two months.

I believe some of the blame last year has to go to Pierre Groulx. It seems apparent now that Price was playing for a least a part of (if not all of) that slump with a nagging groin injury that worsened come playoff time. We all love players to be 'tough' and play through injuries but if a goalie has limited movement, what good is he? If Price is the kind of guy who wants to play no matter what then its up to his goalie coach to step in & say no. By all accounts Price, Budaj & Groulx had a "Great friendship" which is actually NOT what you want between player & coach. You need the coach to be able to make the tough decisions and say "carey you cannot play" or "carey, you need to work harder on this."

Im excited to see what impact Waite has on price. He won 2 stanley cups with 2 fairly average goalies in Chicago...lets see what he can do with (to quote BG) a "thoroughbred"

[KeepsItReal]

Well... Last season we kind of did have to worry about goaltending for the last two months. I'm really looking for Carey to have a HUGE year in 2013-2014. If he cannot take that next step in his career perhaps Fucale will be putting pressure on him in about three seasons from now.

Meh, I'll take the big sample size over a month and a half of struggles. All goalies struggle from time to time, most seasons Price could have gone on a stretch of playing 2 or 3 games in a span of 5 or 6 over a couple of weeks and worked on some kinks...couldn't happen this season.

Add to it the fact that he had some minor injuries throughout, and on top of that so much of tending is all about timing and getting in a groove and he was off for a long time before having to come in and play almost every other night...

I see nothing to worry about.

[roy_133]

I believe some of the blame last year has to go to Pierre Groulx. It seems apparent now that Price was playing for a least a part of (if not all of) that slump with a nagging groin injury that worsened come playoff time. We all love players to be 'tough' and play through injuries but if a goalie has limited movement, what good is he? If Price is the kind of guy who wants to play no matter what then its up to his goalie coach to step in & say no. By all accounts Price, Budaj & Groulx had a "Great friendship" which is actually NOT what you want between player & coach. You need the coach to be able to make the tough decisions and say "carey you cannot play" or "carey, you need to work harder on this."

Im excited to see what impact Waite has on price. He won 2 stanley cups with 2 fairly average goalies in Chicago...lets see what he can do with (to quote BG) a "thoroughbred"

If Price was playing hurt it falls on him and the medical staff to not play, not Groulx. It was clear he was hurting us, although he was pretty emphatic he wasn't hurt.

Meh, I'll take the big sample size over a month and a half of struggles. All goalies struggle from time to time, most seasons Price could have gone on a stretch of playing 2 or 3 games in a span of 5 or 6 over a couple of weeks and worked on some kinks...couldn't happen this season.

Add to it the fact that he had some minor injuries throughout, and on top of that so much of tending is all about timing and getting in a groove and he was off for a long time before having to come in and play almost every other night...

I see nothing to worry about.

Agree there's nothing to worry about with Carey but at his age it would be nice to see him take the next step and be truly elite.

[FirstStar]

I believe some of the blame last year has to go to Pierre Groulx. It seems apparent now that Price was playing for a least a part of (if not all of) that slump with a nagging groin injury that worsened come playoff time. We all love players to be 'tough' and play through injuries but if a goalie has limited movement, what good is he? If Price is the kind of guy who wants to play no matter what then its up to his goalie coach to step in & say no. By all accounts Price, Budaj & Groulx had a "Great friendship" which is actually NOT what you want between player & coach. You need the coach to be able to make the tough decisions and say "carey you cannot play" or "carey, you need to work harder on this."

Im excited to see what impact Waite has on price. He won 2 stanley cups with 2 fairly average goalies in Chicago...lets see what he can do with (to quote BG) a "thoroughbred"

Also to add, that our blueline was a disaster at the end of the season, which onyl helped to magnify prices struggles.

And roy's right, at the age he is, would be nice if he were to break out and become that elite tender we're paying him to be.

[KeepsItReal]

Also to add, that our blueline was a disaster at the end of the season, which onyl helped to magnify prices struggles.

And roy's right, at the age he is, would be nice if he were to break out and become that elite tender we're paying him to be.

Well they may not have paid him like one, but in 2010/2011 he was definitely elite.

People are obviously free to have their doubts, I have none though. Price was drafted with the potential to be a franchise goalie and has completely lived up to that potential, and just turning 26 in the fall he should be great for years to come.

[FirstStar]

Well they may not have paid him like one, but in 2010/2011 he was definitely elite.

People are obviously free to have their doubts, I have none though. Price was drafted with the potential to be a franchise goalie and has completely lived up to that potential, and just turning 26 in the fall he should be great for years to come.

neither do I, i think it's totally normal at his age to struggle with consistency and last year was special for aforementioned reasons.

But he's getting past his mid 20's so it's time to step into that role.

[KeepsItReal]

neither do I, i think it's totally normal at his age to struggle with consistency and last year was special for aforementioned reasons.

But he's getting past his mid 20's so it's time to step into that role.

I find it interesting to view Prices' and Lundqvists' stats since the lock out.

Only in the last couple of seasons really do Lundqvists' numbers look like that of an "elite" goalie but he's been considered elite for many years.

Far too often people look at stats and let it dictate too much of their opinion. Look at Tim the tea partier Thomas, everyone talked about how he was so good for so long...the Bruins suffered zero drop off when he left. Actually, other than the 14 wins versus 16 wins and not winning the cup his playoff run this year was every bit as impressive as THomas in the playoffs.

Prices' numbers were bad last year, but in a 48 game season those brutal games all goalies have are going to stick out more, and he had a few of them. If you look at his game log through the year there were numerous games where he was exactly what this team needed him to be.

He established himself as an elite goalie in 2010/2011, now it's about seeing if he can bring that on a season to season basis and bring some playoff success to the table as well.

I think he can, and Montreal hasn't been that good of a team for more than one of his seasons in the NHL as well.

[KeepsItReal]

And one other thing about Price...if you view his short handed save percentage this year versus the other years it dropped off drastically.

His ES numbers were actually still pretty good this year, it was the PK save percentage where there was a massive drop off.

Now, what's more likely...suddenly Price isn't as good as he was on the PK? Or the PK struggled mightily all season long and as a result of Price not being super human his stats suffered greatly?

That's not to say he was as great as he was in years past, or an elite goalie this year...but what he was more oft than not (before the real fall off the edge, for both Price and the entire team) was a goalie who gives your team a good chance most times out there.

I think one of hte issues with Price is that he's big and so positionally sound that sometimes people are "bored" by him. Compare him to a guy like Jonathan Quick, not saying Price is better (I'd rather have Price personally but that's just me) but the excitement level between the 2 of them is a stark contrast.

[Noob616]

I think part of the issue is that a lot of fans really just don't get how to evaluate goaltending. You see a lot of stuff around the internet about how Price isn't "clutch" or can't win the big games blah blah blah. Or you get people pulling up his career playoff stats as if it's relevant.

[KeepsItReal]

I think part of the issue is that a lot of fans really just don't get how to evaluate goaltending. You see a lot of stuff around the internet about how Price isn't "clutch" or can't win the big games blah blah blah. Or you get people pulling up his career playoff stats as if it's relevant.

So true. Too often far too much credit is given to a goalie who puts up great stats on a great team.

How many die hard Bruins fans were surprised by Rask this season? I sure wasn't.

So did Boston have 2 of the best goalies in the league the last couple of years or do they play a stifling, suffocating defensive style that limits a lot of 2nd chances and clears the lanes so the goalie has a good line on low percentage shots?

[Guest Regis2]

Im excited to see what impact Waite has on price. He won 2 stanley cups with 2 fairly average goalies in Chicago...lets see what he can do with (to quote BG) a "thoroughbred"

He also had Keith , Seabrook, Toews, Hossa, Kane , Sharp to name a few

[BeanCountingHab]

He also had Keith , Seabrook, Toews, Hossa, Kane , Sharp to name a few

Shhhhh.

[roy_133]

So true. Too often far too much credit is given to a goalie who puts up great stats on a great team.

How many die hard Bruins fans were surprised by Rask this season? I sure wasn't.

So did Boston have 2 of the best goalies in the league the last couple of years or do they play a stifling, suffocating defensive style that limits a lot of 2nd chances and clears the lanes so the goalie has a good line on low percentage shots?

The actual impact of team defense and shot quality's impact on SV% has always interested me, a lot of really smart stat guys seem to think that once you reach a certain number of shots faced for a goalie, it doesn't really matter and ESSV% will tell you basically all you really need to know. Not sure I buy it, there's also flaws with the NHL's RTSS guys because I know some buildings over count shots, Nashville and Florida both had that reputation I believe.

As for whether or not Carey's clutch... lol, Carey's started under 30 playoff games, the bulk of which came between ages 20-22. Not. Concerned. Even if there was some kind of issue with him choking, it's just not an adequate sample to reach any kind of conclussion.

[weepingminotaur]

The "not clutch" argument is a complete fallacy, a bad narrative that gets overwritten by "clutch player" as soon as the sample size gets large enough for performance to swing the other way. At one point in his career, Marian Hossa was not considered a clutch playoff performer. Look at him now.

[BeanCountingHab]

The "not clutch" argument is a complete fallacy, a bad narrative that gets overwritten by "clutch player" as soon as the sample size gets large enough for performance to swing the other way. At one point in his career, Marian Hossa was not considered a clutch playoff performer. Look at him now.

I believe in the earlier part of these playoffs, there were discussion of Pat Kane not being a playoff performer.

[weepingminotaur]

I believe in the earlier part of these playoffs, there were discussion of Pat Kane not being a playoff performer.

Yeah, exactly. It's such a small sample size that really, you need about 100-150 games of total playoff experience before you can draw any kind of conclusion. Even then, teams lose for so many more reasons than just one player. I have concerns about Carey but playoff performance is NOT one of them.

[jedimaas]

He also had Keith , Seabrook, Toews, Hossa, Kane , Sharp to name a few

Well he didnt because the "he" I was referring to was the goalie coach.

Anyway, I dont think many people believe the hawks won either of their cups on goaltending but my point was that Waite was able to take 2 goalies largely considered to be 'slightly above average' and make them into stanley-cup caliber goaltenders....which doesnt mean conn smythe winners, but does mean they were good enough to support their team. In Price, Waite is now getting an opportunity to work with one of the most highly touted young goalies in the NHL so it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

[FirstStar]

Well he didnt because the "he" I was referring to was the goalie coach.

Anyway, I dont think many people believe the hawks won either of their cups on goaltending but my point was that Waite was able to take 2 goalies largely considered to be 'slightly above average' and make them into stanley-cup caliber goaltenders....which doesnt mean conn smythe winners, but does mean they were good enough to support their team. In Price, Waite is now getting an opportunity to work with one of the most highly touted young goalies in the NHL so it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

I know, I thought the same thing when the hawks went to the cup finals.

But they're not the only team to do so, wings won 2 cups with osgood. Who i don't consider to be an elite tender, just a tender who profited from a solid blueline.

The key with both of these teams is that they had a solid blueline, something we don't have. So we need CP to play at his best.

i wonder if they'll be another little faze like they had after their last cup win... Other teams seeing the hawks and even the flyers making it to the cup finals without an elite tender, decided that elite tenders are great, but not manditory to win a cup.

Then of course the b's won the cup the following year with Thomas being solid between the pipes and the debate started again.

I figure the elite tender vs average tender debate will heat up once again.

[KeepsItReal]

I figure the elite tender vs average tender debate will heat up once again.

There's really not much debate though, if any. Very few teams in the league would turn down the chacne to add an elite tender at an elite price. There just isn't enough to go around so that all 30 teams can have one.

So some teams make due with what they've got.

Osgood wasn't an elite goalie, but for what he cost the team he provided everything they needed, and as a result were able to use some extra money elsewhere due to saving it on goaltending.

I highly doubt a team like the Rangers, seeing the Hawks win with Crawford are going to decide they'd rather have a cheap goalie who might not be "great" but would allow them to spend a bit more on defence or at forward.

Much like I highly doubt that if given the chance back when Osgood was manning the pipes, the Red Wings wouldn't have given up a big return to add a premier goalie like Brodeur or someone else.

The Flyers got to the cup final in 2010, then added a big ticket goalie in Bryzgalov, and now seem to be going back to a cheap goalie system. Does this mean if Miller went to UFA next year they wouldn't make a big offer on him? Mayhaps they'd be a bit gun shy on him, and he is a little older but I still imagine they'd put in a big offer.

The whole "debate" about the goaltenders worth is really just a media created and driven narrative. Teams that don't have a legitimate number 1 goalie are constantly searching for the next goalie of the future, and when a guy comes around that is that, they are more than happy to pay them.

Take Detroit and Jimmy Howard for example, it's the same people in place there so why did they go from a cheap/average goalie method to an expensive/big ticket goalie approach?

Because they found their guy in Howard, in previous years they hadn't been able to find that guy.

Just a narrative created by the media to talk about something during slow times, that's all. No debate at all.

[FirstStar]

There's really not much debate though, if any. Very few teams in the league would turn down the chacne to add an elite tender at an elite price. There just isn't enough to go around so that all 30 teams can have one.

So some teams make due with what they've got.

Osgood wasn't an elite goalie, but for what he cost the team he provided everything they needed, and as a result were able to use some extra money elsewhere due to saving it on goaltending.

I highly doubt a team like the Rangers, seeing the Hawks win with Crawford are going to decide they'd rather have a cheap goalie who might not be "great" but would allow them to spend a bit more on defence or at forward.

Much like I highly doubt that if given the chance back when Osgood was manning the pipes, the Red Wings wouldn't have given up a big return to add a premier goalie like Brodeur or someone else.

The Flyers got to the cup final in 2010, then added a big ticket goalie in Bryzgalov, and now seem to be going back to a cheap goalie system. Does this mean if Miller went to UFA next year they wouldn't make a big offer on him? Mayhaps they'd be a bit gun shy on him, and he is a little older but I still imagine they'd put in a big offer.

The whole "debate" about the goaltenders worth is really just a media created and driven narrative. Teams that don't have a legitimate number 1 goalie are constantly searching for the next goalie of the future, and when a guy comes around that is that, they are more than happy to pay them.

Take Detroit and Jimmy Howard for example, it's the same people in place there so why did they go from a cheap/average goalie method to an expensive/big ticket goalie approach?

Because they found their guy in Howard, in previous years they hadn't been able to find that guy.

Just a narrative created by the media to talk about something during slow times, that's all. No debate at all.

Actually there was a huge debate around the NHL after both the flyers and hawks made it to the cup finals with average tender.

Actually the hawks did add an elite tender in Hasek with Legacy as his back up. Then they went back to Osgood a few years later.

i never said the rags would do away with king henrik to save money.

But teams with a decent shot at the cup, with average tending felt that they actually had hope despite not having an elite tender between the pipes.

And there was a huge debate in Philly when the flyers were able to make it to the cup finals rotating 3 average tenders (Leighton, Boucher and Niittymaki). Since they made it to the cup finals the previous year they decided to go with the same formula in nets and it didn't work out so well.

When the b's eliminated the flyers due to poor goaltending (on their run to the cup), the debate in Philly heated up again and that's when they went after Bryz.

As long as 2 people are discussing a topic, there is a debate.

We're debating it right now. :lol: